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aaminian you are blinded by your prejudice.

samir kuntar is a monster killing a 4 yr old with the end of his gun. aaminian you are so blinded by prejudice that you call a commentator monster without knowing him, calling him monster because he is a Jew and religious minority.or just because he is an Israeli. the monster is samir kuntar or any one who can kill a 4 yr old in cold blood. I guess in your high cause the end justifies the means? disgusting.

aaminian you have no right to tell someone to leave the sit!

if he is from iranian decent he has the same right as you dear to be in this site, even if he is not iranian decent he has the same right as you do. so pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese stop your prejudice about minorities in this site. who are you ? are you suggesting that they have to start wearing patches.
stop spreading hate.

where was the world reaction

when one of the beloved pasdars in Iran shot a girl to death in Tehran in close range several years a go while she was in telephone booth. why, becuase she apparently did not have good hejab and did not want to talk with this low life till she finished her phone call! Too bad there was no video of this incident, not that any body would care of course! Isreal's action towards their enemy is far more humanterian than the regime in Iran towards Iranian people. case closed.!

To American Wife

I am sure that you have noticed that the great majority of Iranians always show their utmost outrage towards the violations of human rights in Iran. Just take a look at this website itself, and you'll see the number of articles, petitions, comments..etc denouncing and protesting these violations.

But it is amazing that every time people criticize the violations of human rights by Israel, they eventually find themselves on the defensive!! I am sorry but I don't have to justify every crime committed by anyone anywhere, before I can criticize the crimes of Israel!!

Yes, other countries do commit atrocities too, but Israel is systematically oppressing, brutalizing and violating the basic rights of a group of people whose land it has occupied, and has done so for the past 60 years. It is a case similar to South Africa during the apartheid and yet it is being presented as a functional and liberal "democracy"! with the full support of the world's biggest powers. So it is only natural that anyone with a conscious and a sense of justice feels outraged and disgusted.

RE: Manesh

I completly agree with your 2 point, as a human being, I condemn all violence against the weak, innocent and sick. Be it Iranian, Israeli, Arab etc. But the fact is, its the law of the jungle out there.

RE: American Wife

You state
"what will you say when someone posts the same brutal acts against israelis? because you do know that they exist... right? you do know that?"

The palestinian lawyer would rise calmly, point to his pie chart and say: "Here you go madam,for each israeli that loses his/hers life because of a "brutal act", 5 palestinians do, without counting the sanctions, , road bloacks etc that punish the palestinians in general."

You state
"israel is the ONLY country/government committing atrocities. although to my mind this is not an atrocity. it's cruel and barbaric but atrocity to my mind might be more along the line of... say, stoning a woman to death. but that's just me."

The palestinian would continue, "pointing to the War crime tribunal that states that prisoners of war are not to be tortured, the Israeli soldiers are comitting acts of war and should be imprisoned by torturing an innocent protesters. Thus, it is an atrocity."

You state
"i've gone back and re-re-re-read this and i'm not sure where zion was making excuses. what i'm reading (and i'm just an IGNORANT american) is the same condemnation of these acts. yet you call her partisan... primatively partisan at that. you're not even palestinian and you're almost all exclusively "partisan"."

The palestinian drinks some water flipping a page "Being balanced in this conflict is impossible because there is nothing balanced about this or other conflicts like the Russian Chechen conflict, American Iraqi conflict etc. Military might belongs to Israel, Israel is the obvious bully. Thus defending the bully, or at least, putting him at the same level as the victim (as in this case, an innocent protester), is not correct.

You state:
"this isn't about supporting one or the other. i'm not making a argument for either position. i'm talking about the HATRED on this thread. words like "monster". do you honestly not see the other side? IS there no other side? "

Then your opinion is irrelevant because you have no knowledge about the conflict, and as such, have no reason for your position. The goal is to support Israeli and Palestinian civillians. That happens when Palestinian militants stop firing rockets, suicide attacks, and the Israeli army stops killing, abducting, assasinating etc palestinians. The "monsters" here are the violent wings of both sides. But Israeli violence kills far more civillians than Palestinians do.

I agree with your other obvious points, as do most people on this site. Dont try making this a racist martyr issue. Most people dont like Zion, but having him on the site is wanted because his dumb logic is obvious and only proves what right wing Likud (Israeli GOP like party) nutjobs are made of.

Lady, if your an american woman, I dont blame you for stepping wrong on your previous arguments. I recommend, no I would say its your national duty, that you go to: www.ifamericansonlyknew.com

This site explains the conflict in a realistic manner for americans by americans.

Anyways..

Lets see if we get the same detailed anti national response on this site if someone posts a video of a Russian soldier shooting a Chechnyan civillian, an American soldier blowing iraqi civillians away,British soldiers beating Iraqi kids, or Iranian pasdars hanging 18 year old Iranian prostitutes?

Point being, all countries do crap, some more than others. Be responsible for your own act first before you jump on others.

Now, Il slap myself for bothering writing so much crap that people most likely wont read, and go to bed!

STOP the nonsense Jewish bashing!

I simply don't get it! How is it that Arabs can invade any country they want and impose their backward religion on flourishing civilizations such as Iran and Egypt, and to this date are proud of the barbaric conquest of Iran. But when Jews decide to go back to their ancestral land, all of a sudden they are blood suckers?!

So I guess it is fine if an Arab named Omar ibn Khattab decides to invade a heaven-like country and orders his troops to rape women and burn libraries, or if Ali ibn Abitaleb decides to give each part of Iran to one of his friends. But god forbid if the Jews try to go back to their motherland and build a vibrant society out of that tiny land. Well, we know Arabs are probably not gonna like it, because apparently there is not going to "be any STONING for the sake of public entertainment!

It makes me deeply saddened to see what path we Iranians are taking. We are siding with the worst enemy that our beloved country has ever encountered, and are confrontong the only people in the whole region who actually have never fought against us. It is absolutely shameful how we Persians have forgot who we were and how dear our TRUE culture is. We used to be a nation that the rest of the world looked up to. Today, our legacy for the world is a theocratic government, and a nation that praises HOSSEIN and seeks eternal salvation from MAHDI.

****Also for those of you who are so pissed off at Israel being called a democracy, my friends, I suggest you study a little bit more and maybe look up the meaning of DEMOCRACY sometime. Democracy simply means "rule of the majority", therefore if a government is democratic it doesn't necessarily mean that it will implement Human Rights. And for those of you who are still confused, it means that if a society has 10 members and 9 of them vote to kill the 10th person off, that society is still democratic.****

@ Toofantheoncesogreat

1- I concede the first point to you.  By your reasoning, you are right.  IRI is worse than Israel in this respect.

2- "I as an Iranian have really no moral high ground to point a finger at Israel in this situation" But, I, as a human being, am on a higher moral ground than zion and defenders of IRI and can point the same finger at both.  Shame on both.  

Dear American Wife,

There are too many red herrings in your post.  You mis-state what people are saying here, then knock it down as unreasonable. 

1- Who said Israel is the only country comitting atrocities? 

2- News falsh: "American shocked at what the rest of the world thinks!"

3- I don't believe you read and re-re-re read everything.  "saying things like "This is how in the face of a mortal enemy Israel retains her conscience", "The real news here is how in Israel such condemnable lunacies come to the open and are condemned without exception", etc. are the definition of justifying excess.  These atrocities, and much worse, happen everyday.  If it weren't for the civilian girl with a video camera, this wouldn't have seen the light of  day either. When the commander orders a soldier to "shoot him! shoot him!", you know this is routine and condoned. zion says, "... such cases are sought" in Israel is flat out wrong.  In a country where a defense minister gets convicted of mass murder (Ariel Sharon's massacre in Sabra & Shatila), is barred from ever holding the defense minister's office, then runs for, and gets elected as, the PRIME MINISTER, laws and even convictions are meaningless.

4- Who said iranian.com is just for iranians? And, who said zion is not iranian? Few people, including myself,  asked zion to move on and go somewhere where his goods have buyers.  zion is not welcome in my opinion because he is obnoxious, not because he is not iranian (he may be iranian anyway but that wouldn't make a difference).  Day and night, he has to insert himself into just about every discussion with the sole purpose of carrying Israel's right wing banner.  I care about Israel and Palestinians as a human being.  But Zion thinks we should care about Israel and its issues as much as him.  Israel is not the center of our lives here. It's like a vegan repeatedly posting in a cheesburger forum. the guy is just a pest.  It gets to be too much.  And, mind you, he does more harm to Israel and its image than he can ever imagine.

Then someone like you comes along and says, aha! you don't like him because he's not iranian!  Are you for real? 

Its quite

disturbing to watch that video and I condemn his act HOWEVER this is nothing to what RI is doing to ITS OWN CITIZENS....You don't see a Palestinians or Israeli citizens being hanged or stoned just because they criticize the government, So to IRI supporters. Please don't act like you are sympathizing with victim coz you are just gonna to look more stupid in our eyes....

ok... just so i understand

exactly what you're all saying here. 

1.  israel is the ONLY country/government committing atrocities.  although to my mind this is not an atrocity.  it's cruel and barbaric but atrocity to my mind might be more along the line of... say, stoning a woman to death.  but that's just me.

2.  you equate israeli's with nazis?  are you for real????

3.  i've gone back and re-re-re-read this and i'm not sure where zion was making excuses.  what i'm reading (and i'm just an IGNORANT american) is the same condemnation of these acts.  yet you call her partisan... primatively partisan at that.  you're not even palestinian and you're almost all exclusively "partisan". 

4.  and maybe most importantly... who IS welcome here?  yeah yeah  yeah, i know it's iranian.com.  does that mean this is an exclusive site... is there a special fee paid by members?  ok... so since iran doesnt operate on the ideals of freedom of speech, am i to infer than iranians don't either.  is freedom of speech NOT welcome on iranian.com? or is that extended to only a certain group?

so... if this IS for iranians only... define iranian?  i've heard it said before here that TRUE iranians are only those who live in iran...which eliminates the vast majority of those here now...

ok... only those who were BORN in iran.  ok...that eliminates my stepson who is born of iranian parents but born outside iran... try telling his father he's not iranian.

ok... only those who are 100% blood iranian.  ok, that eliminates any wife or husband who is non-iranian.  even though that partner might be as 100% iranian in spirit... speak the language fluently... cook the food perfectly... embrace the culture...

do you see my point here???

this isn't about supporting one or the other.  i'm not making a argument for either position.  i'm talking about the HATRED on this thread.  words like "monster".  do you honestly not see the other side?  IS there no other side? 

what will you say when someone posts the same brutal acts against israelis?  because you do know that they exist... right?  you do know that? 

please... i'm not asking to be vilified myself yet i know i probably will be.  i'm simply asking that you realize what you're saying.  i can't believe ... i WON'T believe... that such hatred and evil can exist in your hearts. 

RE: Manesh

"(the commander holding the palestinian's arm is telling the soldier, "shoot him! shoot him!"). They do it to enjoy their superiority, to break the spirit of a people, and to watch them starve. It is truely a sick episode in the history humanity."

I understand and respect your opinion, truth is subjective, but I disagree on your main point. Your above quote can be used to a basij or pasdar in Iran that is shooting, beating or arresting iranian workers, students etc. They are also doing it from a position of strenght to break the moral of such people who want real change in Iran so that the mafioso bandido group that runs Iran can stay in power, or at least, not be pushed for reforming the system.

So I sadly have to give a small point to Zion here in which: I as an Iranian have really no moral high ground to point a finger at Israel in this situation when my own people are comitting acts that are as disgracefull as this against each-other.

A man who beats his own family first before raising a hand to his hated neighbour stands much lower in my eyes and is the true animal with no respect for himself or his own kind.

Thats why Israelis dominate politics around the world with its lobby groups from A to Z, they have an ant like mentality where they work for their own people and multiply one of their dead or suffering to 100 lebanese or 1000 palestinians.

The question is, in a "big dog eats little dog" world, is this something that needs to be learned? Or is it something to be discarded as something barbaric. When I hear calls for my country getting nuked by so called civilized nations, Im not shure really..

To Zion

These sort of barbaric actions happen every day in the apartheid state of Israel. The whole survival of Israel is based upon suffocating Palestinians with this sort of brutality.

The only thing is that when the Zionists are caught red handed on camera, they suddenly act "outraged" but still find a way to portray yourselves a the victims of the media!!

Mind your own, Zion

Iranians will take care of themselves. I have lost friends and relatives to the Mullahs killing machine but do not want their blood and blood of others who have died in the IRI's dungeons to be used so that Fred and Rashidian score political points against NIAC. There are plenty of evidence out there on the internet and otherwise documenting the abuses of the IRI which will be used on a day of reckoning. By the way, the real issue here is not that there are good honest Israelis who abhor the brutal occupation (you're obviously not one of them. You're just an apologist); the real issue is the continuing brutal occupation by the IDF and fanatical settlers of the Palestinians land; a brutalizing occupation which will only fuel the fire of Hamas and their likes. Stop muddying the water. Lack of trasparency in Jordan or Egypt does not justify brualizing Palesinians. Go on and preach to the guy who's getting shot in the head by a plastic bullet and probably ending up with brain damage. Peddle your ugly racist language (Palestine lovers, etc) somewhere else, like all those new-con hate sites where you can show your full colours but I guess that would be too much to hope for, this being your designated beat on behalf of CAMERA or soms such groups.

No, toofantheoncesogreat. there is a difference

What IRI does, as horrendous as it is, to its own people, as you correctly point out, is somewhat out of weakness and desparation.  IRI is despised and surrponded from inside and out.  60 million people would tear them to pieces if they got a chance.

What Israel does is from an absolute position of strength.  They have the financial, political and military support of Europe and US behind them, as well as their own very vocal, dedicated population.  They are powerful and can wipe out the whole middle east in minutes. There is really no need to hurt defenseless, lone palestinians with such barbarity.  (the commander holding the palestinian's arm is telling the soldier, "shoot him! shoot him!"). They do it to enjoy their superiority, to break the spirit of a people, and to watch them starve.  It is truely a sick episode in the history humanity.

Her Conscience?!

Zion,

The two terms Israel and conscience CANNOT/SHOULD NOT be used in the same sentence. The illegitimate country of yours has been oppressing the poor Palestinians as a means of relieving ITS (NOT HER) frustration for years of torture and massacre at the hands of the NAZIS. YES, Zion, you are doing to the Palestinians what all that was done to your kind during WWII.

You can talk about Israel freedom this, Arab suicide bombers that all you want but you as well as the rest of your ruthless Zionist population know that YOU ARE THE REAL MONSTERS HERE.

Since when can someone from a far away land be transplanted into someone else's land ILLEGALLY and claim that land as his own? Yes, I am talking about your Russian/Ukranian/Polish ASS that occupied Palestine. The FACT is that you are the OCCUPIER, the OPPRESSOR and have NO BUSINESS being there to begin with.

One other thing, and take my advice on this one:

You are NOT WELCOME on this site. We are red-blooded Iranians and DON'T CARE ABOUT MONSTERS LIKE YOU. Leave this site and Iranians ALONE.

There is a difference...

I would have expected the apologists to come back with something more concrete, something with a bit more meat on it. You guys are slacking off in your servitude to state power.

There is a difference here. The difference is that along with condemning Israeli atrocities, we also condemn Arab atrocities and IRI atrocities. YOU are the ones who immediately place the IRI and the like outside of the circle of responsibility. It seems pretty natural to you. Since you give a blank check to Israeli sponsored terrorism, you naturally assume that critics of Israel give a blank check to the other side. However, that is not true.

While we call IRI the dictatorship that it is with the usual slate of human rights violations, you call Israel "the only democracy in the Middle East" despite how many prisoners it shoots in bright day light, how many walls it erects, and how many racist laws it enacts.

IRI violates Iranians everyday and we call it on that. We don't call it the only Islamic democracy! Israel kills civilians everyday and you call it democratic. There is the difference.

What goes on in Palestine

What goes on in Palestine shows what Jews do when they are in majority!!!
Now imagine if they were the majority in the world!!!
They should be treated the same way they treat others!!!

dear zion:

shaaaaaaaaat up!

How can someone be so primitively partisan as you? why can't you be a human being first, then an Israeli?

Are you about 10 years old or something?  Do you think you are on a "team" which you must defend at all cost?  Just shut up and leave this site, PLEASE!  You make people sick from time to time.   

Hahaha

Why am I laughing? Because I knew that if I scroll under this sad video showing an incident that is only a drop in the sea, I would find a lenghty article of Zion excusing and turning this into something positiv And bang, like clockwork, there it is, right below.

But no really, Iran is currently stoning women and men, torturing workers and union organizers and jails/executes anyone who would rightfully wipe his ass with the picture of Khameni in the streets etc. At least the israelis dont do that to their own people. Irans gov does. So my argument is: Yes what the israelis are doing is wrong, but morally, what Iran is doing is even more wrong because it does it against its own kind. Lack of self-respect.

i cried for her zion

i cry for all mothers who lose children , but i cried more for her because she accidently sufocated her 2 yr old when this monster was in her home.i can not imagine how she contineues to live life.
i cry for the mothers of iranian youth being stoned and killed too.
but iguess i should care more about palestenians?

The Difference

This was a stupid and condemnable act that should be denounced as it already has been. There are idiots every where, there are moments of frustration for stupid soldiers in all armies. The real news here is how in Israel such condemnable lunacies come to the open and are condemned without exception. B`Tselem is an Israeli organization among others that watches over the army. This is how in the face of a mortal enemy Israel retains her conscience. No one in Israel uses the genocidal arab islamist threat against Israel as an excuse to justify or ignore such cases, quite the contrary, to prevent the same madness and to save the soul of Israel such cases are sought and published en mass on free Israeli media and then duly condemned.

If you want to see what fascism and inhumanity really looks like compare this with the reaction of Arabs and Islamists towards their suicide bombers and murderer criminals. Their viscous crimes are either excused as natural reaction by few, or even worse hailed as heroic by many many others and used to inculcate their young. Just look at the reception a terrorist mass murderer and child killer received in Lebanon. Samir Kuntar who among other crimes, killed a four year old girl, Einat Haran by smashing her head repeatedly to a rock.
//www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=...

He is now an Islamist arab hero.
//youtube.com/watch?v=cS6NyrexKlk

This is the real news. This is the difference.

Anonymous-today,
`...(Zionists) are shedding crocodile tears on the SCE thread today.. `
Those people who are going to be executed and many more who are already executed are your people. Do you care for them so little?
I am asking this from all you palestine lovers,
Palestinians have all this media coverage like B`Tselem and many others to protect them. Where is the media coverage for Iranians?
Why are there no videos of the Iranians stoned or condemned to die almost everyday? Why this obsession with palestinians?
Why are their blood so much holier than your own people?

what about shame on IRI?

so i guess mr batabi was massaged every day and kissed and cuddled every night in prison? ha?
I guess this things does not happen in iran/
and he had a stroke because of too much drinking in his cell with fatmeh and soghra????
shame on us for not caring about our own!

the reality is far worse...

For years B'Tselem has been providing cameras to the Palestinians to document IDF and settler abuses. Israeli government knows this. They are fully aware that there may be activist or journalists watching and documenting their actions. Yet, a top Israeli officer has the audacity to hold a handcuffed man in bright daylight and in full view and have one of his soldiers shoot him. Now, imaging what happens in the dark holes in Israeli prisons and where the Israeli government is comfortable that no eyes are watching!? There are plenty of reports that give a hint at what goes on there, but no one is listening.

Shame is to light a word to use here...Judaism had long history of standing for human rights. Now it's self-declared champions are dragging that heritage through filth. Shame is not good enough! Shame on them for doing this; shame on us for being silent.

Not surprised!

this is nothing as compared to what they do to the palestinians in Israeli dungeons, and no surprise that these incidents never make it to U.S. TV news!

Now we know why the US pays $3 Billion a year to Israel

To spread democracy there :-) Where is that pest Zion and his retard buddies to say this is Pollywood and fake? Where is Fred and his poetic rants to explain it all away? Where is Amil Imani to explain to us how this is all because of Islam? Where is Mehdi Mazloom to write 500 essays to counter the effects of this video?

Where are the Zionists?

Where are Fred and Zion and Rashidian? They're shedding crocodile tears on the SCE thread today trying to score a point against the NIAC. What do you expect from a regime of occupation? Any occupation regardless of the occupier have to rely on terror to subjugate the occupied people. This sort of thing goes on in the Occupied Territories all the time by the IDF and the settlers. Mr. Barak is just caught with his pants down and that's why he's shedding his crocodile tears.

SS in the making

Modern day Nazis. all in the name of religion

those Iranians who come here and advocate

for Israel should watch this video and plug it in their brain that there is no shame to defend the poor people of Palestine, and there are lots of shame to be an advocate of a savage government like Israel.

Stop being a pussy for god sake and don't act like an international politician. They would do the same to you and I if they get a chance.

Didn't watch it

Don't want to see it. We all know what's goes on there. Just too sad no one cares enough.