September 6, 2003
* Something to stop conquerors
I don't know what to think of this piece of propaganda you put out!
I think neo-cons are laughing with delight and forwarding it to
their compatriots!! [Colorful
missiles] you sure delighted them with this piece of put
down! you managed to ridicule
Iranians among other people of east who are worried about neocolonialist
forces (not all Americans) who want to break the will of "all"
folks in that volatile middle east be Persian, Arab or Turk.
we are not
talking about defending the theocracy that rules Iran today! lets
not mix issues here! we are talking about Iranian nation trying to come
up with something to stop these hordes of conquerors from breaking through!
you ridicule this?! giving a green light to potential enemy (whoever
it might be) that these poor Persians are bunch of backward folks
who don't know what kind of paint to use to camouflage the rocket and
are marooned in shallow Persian gulf!
to really rub it in you
wrap this article (!!) in comical language, your TANZ about dumb
backward Persians who are trying to defend their homeland sickens me,
then you ask, "do you think it will stop Americans!?",
that is your question?! it may not stop them and we too end up a colony
of big daddy!!
"boro kolah to kaj bezart" for the rest of us
Iranians we are going to try to save our honor and not to be conquered
by any body!! in time of SHAH there were bunch of worthless folks who
ridiculed him for trying to come up with a viable well equipped
army!! I remember those days, the equipment came handy and defended
Iran well against Iraqi army who were supported by your benefactors!
what worries Iranians is not your BABBLE MR. WHOEVER YOU
ARE but the hand that is feeding you might miscalculate Iranian
resolve and attack our homeland! he should know what defends Iran
is foot solder and topography the rest is gadgets!! Iran will be defended,
rockets or no rockets and! shame on you!
D F Davarpanh
* Unaware -- or an Arab yourself
Ms. Akhavan was moving forward in her argument relatively smoothly (still
with some questionable remarks, in my view) until she wrote this:
Yeah, well while these folks were dining on rotten mutton the Arabs
were actually thinking a little. In fact, it was three Arab scholars
that were prolific during these times that helped save Europe from
the Black Death. As Oxford University's research on Arab society's
states; Razi (Rhazes), Ibn Sina (Avicenna), and Abu Ali al-Hasan (Alhazen)
were the greatest medical scholars of mediaeval times. Al-Razi was
the inventor of "Seton" in Surgery and the author of Al-Judari
wal Hasbak, an authentic book dealing with measles and small pox.
Avicenna wrote Al-Qanun fil Tib known as Cannon, which was the most
widely studied medical work of mediaeval times and was reprinted more
than twenty times during the last 30 years of the 15th century in many
different languages. Alhazen was the world's greatest authority on "optics".
I would say to her, my friend what you are quoting is the expression
used by ignorant westerner who doesn't recognize independent Persian
culture and lumps them together with Arabs as "Islamic culture".
Either you are unaware or an Arab your self. I am perplexed.
By the way, after lecturing that guy (Aliabadi) about his lack of education
and her own background in history, she goes: "... the Egyptians
(also considered Arabs, in case you didn't stumble across this tidbit
of information at some point during your evidently abbreviated education)
did with their unwieldy mathematics system was, actually, pretty fantastic.
Not only did they just use it in their day-to-day lives, but they built
one of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world."
What a surprise, she doesn't know that at the time the Egyptians were
an independent ethnic group with no connection with the future Arabia.
In fact the history is blurry about Arabs 5000 years ago [even today,
Egyptians are culturally or mostly linguistically Arab and not completely
genetically, although it doesn't have much bearing on this argument].
Overall, the Saudi government would normally spend some money to get
writings like this in supprot of their national prides, Ms. Akhavan did
it for free (I guess), but with no representation of us Persians; it
should be considered her personal view only.
* Mixing many issues
The article touched interesting points but mixed many issues simultaneously
enough] . I
am not sure whether the author has any relationships with Arabs in
anyways but whatever the motives would be, it's not going to change
the fact that Arabs & Persians are from two totally different races.
Features were not the same to begin with but started to change,
of course, by invasion . Moreover, the study of anthropology would totally
reject her claim that our culture is the same as well. For
instance, many of non- religion festivities goes back to pre-
Achamanied era and so forth.
I would like to know what school in USA she attended so that I make sure
not to go there.
* Leave me out of Arab brotherhood
Ms. Akhavan, [Close
Unfortunately you invalidated your argument by false referencing to
history, and somehow supported Mr. Aliabadi's point [Forsaking
Iranians]. Since you were so eager to encourage Mr. Aliabadi
to go to the library and research, I would recommend the same for you.
For instance, you claimed Egyptians pyramids and historical achievements
came from Arabs! Well, for your information, Egyptians who managed all
those great accomplishments, were not from Arab descents, but they were
African Blacks ("The Racial History of Egypt and Nubia", The
Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute, 75:1945, pp. 81-101;
76:1946, pp. 131-56).
As a matter of fact, since the Arab occupation of Egypt, they have not
accomplished much in science or math. Of course, they have had their
contribution to war and population growth of Arab empire! Also, Razi
(Rhazes), Ibn Sina (Avicenna) were Persians. However due to forced occupation
of Arabs, they had to write their achievements in both Persian and Arabic.
Arabs have forced Persians and many other cultures to adapt to their
rules, the same thing that Jews are doing to them now. So, I don't see
why there is room for crying. What comes around, goes around.
To agree with Mr. Aliabadi, looking at the Germans, and Brits, and Americans,
even Israelis, they have recovered from the, as Ms. Akhavan put it, "self
flagellation and boredom ", what about us? Isn't that a sign that
they are doing something right and we are doing something wrong? After
all, it is nature and survivor of the fittest will rule, and apparently "our
people" are not the fittest. I personally believe that the reason
is our culture and has nothing to do with our skin color or blood type..
To disagree with Mr. Aliabadi, I should refer to "Race is a social
construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz,
M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal
of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001). "Any attempt to establish
lines of division among biological populations is both arbitrary and
The Human Genome Project determined that 99.9% of the human genetic
complement is the same in everyone, regardless of race" So,
the differences that you point out between us and the western countries are
mainly cultural and if I want to separate myself from middle east, I
should cut myself from the culture not the race or color.
Ms. Akhavan feels sad for you that you have to wake up every morning
and hate yourself because you can not stop being Iranian, but that comes
from the fact that she thinks of color as an indication of being
Ms. Akhavan, you can not be Iranian as long as you atach any string
to that culture. I don't believe that aligning yourself with your Arab
brothers and sisters is going to promote your Persian culture or create
any possibility of improvement from what we have had for the past thirteen
If you want to be a part of Arab brotherhood and sisterhood,
that is fine, what ever floats your boat, but please don't walk
around and preach false historical facts and glorify something that quite
frankly has retarded our people for the past millennium.
* So much for blaming
Ms. Akhavan, [Close
Iranians are not Arabs. The only similarity between Iranians and Arabs
this religion called "Islam" which the Arabs bestowed upon
Iran a long time
ago like a plague. The same religion that that the Mullahs are using
to rule and destroy Iran while they are loading up their Swiss bank accounts
(read the Forbes article "Millionaire
Mullahs"). And the same
is holding back the entire Middle East in the Third World category.
Yes, Persia and some other Arab countries contributed greatly to science,
medicine, and mathematics in the dark ages while Europeans were living
animals. But that contribution ended about 5 centuries ago and since
the western world has taken off. Stop living in the glories of the
Wake up and smell the coffee. Arabs and most of the muslim countries
(including Iran) are causing a great deal of problems in the world
today while they blame all of their problems on the U.S and on Israel.
take a look at what the Islamic Repulic of Iran has accomplished
cut all ties with America: Iran is now much farther back than where
when the evil western puppet Shah was in power - all this while Iran
of the greatest producers of oil and natural gas. So much for blaming
America for it's lack of progress and miseries.
* Arabs & Aliabad
enough" by Shadi Akhavan compares apples to oranges.
argument is off base. Avicenna was an Iranian. Razi was also an
Iranian. And as far as Mr. Aliabadi is concerned, do you know where
Aliabad is? Aliabad is a village near Qom, Iran. There is a sarcastic
saying in Iran that goes like this, "Really? I didn't know Aliabad
declared a city?"
Parveez Sayyad's movies on "Samad" are
a good example
of people from abadi (the villages in Iran). Don't get me wrong there
are some intelligent people living in Iranian villages, but for a person
to deny his culture and religion for an imaginary people like the Aryans
is kind of warped. The majority of Iranians are Shia Muslims. Whether
we like it or not that is the way it is.
As far as the Aryan theory
goes, there is no one in Iran that could be 100% Aryan due to the
fact that Iran has been invaded by so many Armies in its history. The
Greeks (Alexander the Macedonian), the Romans, the Arabs, The Mongols
so on and so forth entered Iran and had sex with native women.
Yazdegird's, the last Sasanid Shah of Iran, daughter married the
Prophet Mohammed's grandson Hussein.
As far as the Arabs go, they had no culture until the Prophet Mohammed
came along. Arabia was between two empires the Roman and the Persian.
Every out law from the two empires ran away to Arabia to escape the
One of the followers of the Prophet Mohammed was Abuzar Ghaffari.
The tribe of Ghaffar was well known in attacking caravans and robbing
merchants in Arabia. Omar, another of Islam's converts and the 2nd
Caliph buried his daughter alive, due to Arab custom before Islam;
also broke his sister's nose when he found out that she had converted
Islam. Face it, Omar Khattab was a brute. Uthman, the 3rd Caliph was
from the blood thirsty Omayaad family that fought the Prophet till
the day that Islam was declared victor in Mecca.
Before Mohammed died
made a speech that no Muslim is better than any other Muslim in any
way (race, tribe, etc). A Muslim is only graded on his faith. After
the death of Mohammed there was in fighting. And after the first 4 Caliphs
one tribe triumphed and killed all its opponents and installed the
Omaayed Dynasty. The Omayyads were overthrown and killed off by the
Abbasid Dynasty. The Abbassid Dynasty was overthrown by the Mongols.
And the Mongols were conquered by the Ottomans. And AttaTurk in the
1920's ended the Caliphate and started a secular state. After WWI the
Ottoman Empire who sided with the Axis Powers was divided up. The Arab
lands which were colonies of the Ottoman Empire became either British
French Colonies. And the Arabs have been pissed off since.
Yeah there was some advances in the Muslim World during Europe's Dark
Ages. The Arabic Numerals, rubbing Alcohol, Algebra and other advances
were made by Muslim countries. But advancement stopped and the
Renaissance began in Europe. And with the Renaissance and Europe's
conquest of the Muslim East led to the Islamic world's decay.
know the Philippines were named after King Philip of Spain and that the
Southern Philippines is filled with Muslims. The Spaniards fought the
Muslim Moors in Southern Spain in 1492 and when they entered the
Philippines they said, "Oh no more Muslim Moors!"
Why can't we
just all get along?
* Ms "Al-Akhavan"
Ms "Al-Akhavan", [Close
You wrote: "We're not Arabs but we certainly have similar cultures,
Culture?! You're comparing Persian culture to savage bedouin like
arab culture?! It's notworthy to say that arab culture is the same
thing as islamic culture they are the same "thing".
of hatred, death, segregation, savagery, beatings, floggings, hangings,
amputating, killing, raping, pedophilia, extremism, humiliation,
slavery, etc etc This does not sound similar to Persian
Now if you want to talk about the Islamic Republic and
its followers culture then you're correct in your views that they
identical (not similar) but if you are talking about Persian
culture NO you're wrong.
* Absolute idiot
Mr. Aliabadi, [Forsaking
You are an absolute uncultured idiot, excuse
my French, and read some books Mr. loser.
Take it from someone who has been there
and done that.
My apologies to other readers; I had to say this.
* Mindless anti-Semitic
As an Iranian-American I am appalled and shocked
that you would even publish Mr. Aliabadi’s mindless anti-Semitic
Iranians]. I believe by doing so you have not only made
Iranians look bad, but
given credence to our Jewish brethren who might think Iranians are
The Iranian should be ashamed of itself
for even allowing that lousy and inaccurate writing to be posted
on its site. I apologize to any Jews (Iranian or not) who may have
been offended by this joke of a writer (and I use that term loosely
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