REVOLUTION

sophistry

My son, sorry for such a delay in response (was away for a while). With your mastery in sophistry you are fit to run for office any time you wish.

How in your true conscience can you equate a nation’s love of their land with the love of the ruling party? Of course, every living Iranian soul you talk to will defend the right of Iran to peaceful nuclear energy and against any sanction, etc…It would be fraud to translate that into support for IRI. How far off can you get? Believe me, I don’t say this as an insult, but if you sincerely believe that the sentiment against sanction means support for Sharia law, then you still have some “growing-up” to do. As much as I despise the current regime and vote against any kind of nuclear technology in their hand, I whole heartedly support Iran’s right to everything that the UN considers kosher. Of course I am against sanctions or any military actions, but, as long as the current regime provokes it, I can’t blame any harm to the Iranian nation on any group but the ruling party in Iran.

You are not serious comparing the sentiment against Jews in Iran to the joke, redicule, etc. against Rashti’s, Azari’s, Kurds, Isfahani’s, etc…Please, Ajam, be honest. We are not here to score points. I already threw my white flag…But, please……

And finally your simple question. My simple answer is “NO”. I’m no legal expert, but for the sake of peace I think the settlements shouldn’t have been built. Of course this is not a legal opinion, as I have learned (among all places, in this web site) that there is a UN charter that says if a nation wins the land of an aggressor in a war, they have the right to own that territory, but not vice versa. You can correct me if this is wrong.

Let’s call this exchange over, for now. I think we both made our points and it will be up to us to spend time to see how we can reconcile our differences.

Peace, my friend,…my son….

KouroshS khan

yes, that is a fair point! i phrased my question badly there... :) 

Niloofar khanoom

I am surprised that you are asking me the question of "why would they do worse than iran economically"???
You were the one who brought up the idea and you were the one who claimed that iran, despite the wrecking sanction is doing better than the countries surrounding it. why are u putting me on the hot seat here??:))

States and regimes,ideally SHOULD be each others' reflectionin , but that does not happen all the time and in all cases. I don't deny that iranians have always had a soft spot for clerics and their religion, But that was simply not the only factor leading to this revolution and let's face it, you can take people out of religion but you can not take religion out of them people!!

KouroshS jan: re. anything wrong with that picture?

of course i do! I Highlighted it. point is that one should not be unrealistic in expectations while maintaining one's principles. i left out those small states as they are virtual city states more like singapore rather than iran, and they behave like singapore too in many ways. they lack real democracy, but they take care of their citizens in a much better way. UAE and Qatar in particular benefit from enlightened leadership. they also benefit from a per capita income from petroleum of around 30-50 times higher than iran's. why would they do worse than iran economically?

in terms of the US and norway, the determining factor is their citizens. let me put it this way: in my view, states and regimes are mirror images of their citizenry. they are not outer space invaders imposed on people. we like to blame foreigners, and heaven knows we iranians love conspiracy theories, but you and i both know that iranians have for the longest time followed the clergy like sheep (to the slaughter, unfortunately), and the day a critical mass of iranians DECIDE once and for all to stop doing that, we will be rid of the IRI. many of us did not have the patience (or even the option) to wait and work for that day and decided to leave.

people like shirin ebadi have taken on the challenge and are prepared to make the sacrifice, and their numbers are growing constantly. people like her have little time for people like me. and it is understandable.

Dear niloofar parsi

Your suggestion to pahlavan to focus on iran's main issues, namely political repression and Ahmadinejad misguided and infantile monetary policies! is so apt and well-placed, But in a comparative sense, Knowing for a fact that comparing IRI vs norway and US is so bogus and irrelevant, Are you seriously suggesting that in iran Political repression is seen on a lesser level than all those others that you mentioned?? IS iran outperforming UAE, Quatar, Bahrain, you know, prety much half the neighboring countries, economically?
Tell me why is it that despite such great econmoy! and all of its wonderful achievements,not to mention the highest rate of inflation the country has ever had, and an all-you-can-have Political and social freedom, iranians still choose to leave the county and move abroad? Don't you see anything wrong with that picture?

pahlevan panbeh

leaving aside your obvious insecurities leading to your chosen pseudonym here and your lingering condescending attitude in your reply, i am still going to give you the benefit of the doubt as you have toned down a little since your last ferocious outburst.

on wheat: i mentioned before that you are ignoring the war and population increase factors in the post-revolution era. the shah performed well in agriculture due to the land reforms of the 60s. however, the IRI has also done quite well, and iran is among the few food secure countries of the region. that information comes from the economist intelligence unit. your argument here is futile.

you should instead concentrate on the IRI's political repression or ahmadinejad's extremely poor monetary and fiscal policies. no one would argue with you then other than possibly in a comparative sense. for example, iran remains less politically repressive than saudi arabia, syria, afghanistan, jordan, yemen, turkemenistan or iraq. and its economy is in a better shape than most countries around it Despite the sanctions. the best performer around us on all fronts is turkey by far. azerbaijan's great economic performance is a bubble.

but compared to norway and the US, the IRI TOTALLY sucks. is that a reasonable comparison though? where do iranians live and come from? what exactly is the history of democracy and modern industrial and technological development in iran?

and compared to the shah? well, there would be no IRI without the shah.

on the revolution: there have been few if any others that relied totally on such a huge outpouring of popular support without the need for guns or militias.  there were millions of people out in every city and even in villages. and the economy was crippled through workers, civil servants, bazaaris and basically Everyone going on strike. the french revolution was far less popular and much more violent compared to this. the russian one was achieved through the use of the red army. in the former soviets the system collapsed on itself. in iran it was the people themselves who were out there meaning to remove the regime.

in what sense is this me 'cheering a massacre'? explain it.

Defending Iran's interests?

Are you referring to Iran or the IRI?

What are those interests? Do they have anything to do with real economic growth that doesnt rely solely upon oil or natural gas?

Is there an interest in prosperity where revenues are being used IN Iran, and FOR Iran, rather than as financial fodder for chaos?

Is there an interest in basic human rights where Iranian people can live without the constant fear of harassment, oppression and persecution for any stupid nonsense reason?

Those are just some of the Iranian interests that I care about. And I put those interests far ahead of those of any other country or people. Not because they are viewed as any less worthy, but because no one can properly help or take care of anyone else until they learn how to help and take care of themselves first.

anonym7: on kharesh-e tan:

as usual, you write a great reply, with one possible misunderstanding of my position: i have never had any particular feeling about jews. most of the time i have not been aware of the religion of those i have known, and especially not during my childhood in iran, with the possible exception of the armenians who stood out mainly because of their intonation. 

am listening to the great fiddler piece as i write btw!

in israel too, i found the people there very approachable and quite friendly. and also very good looking, especially the military! one striking thing about them is that they KNOW the palestinians are right. they openly admit it, and at the same time they KNOW that they themselves are also right. there is a crisis of imagination really. an impasse. in part i think it is because they have too much power over their rivals, and lack the incentive to compromise. the americans don't help either.

regarding our zionist friends here, they really are kasseye daqtar az aash! what i don't get is why they defend israel's atrocities and interests harder than they would iran's. and they equate support for palestinians with support for the IRI. what is that about in your opinion?

Integrity

Dear Bijan A M, as I said before, living abroad and having nationalist views are not mutually exclusive (e.g. many monarchists lived abroad pre-1979). So telling people to go back to their country of birth in order to express their opinions bears no merit to me. About living in Iran and sharing Iranian people's sentiments, I should tell you that I do spend time among our people. Being a gambler (not a casino one, well... at least not a big one) I do not count much on the future planning or retirement. I have fallen (financially) and got back on my feet at least twice in my life. However, when my father passed away and left a property behind, I found myself the only one among the siblings who could carry on his plans of development, although it had nothing to do with my formal trainings.

This was a great experience for me in terms of getting in touch with people from all walks of life of the Iranian society! I learned first hand about the connections between social standing and political opinions. I'm talking construction workers, general laborers, day laborers, brick layers, engineers, merchants... In spite of the differences in their political views, I found an unequivocal consent among all these people when it came to supporting their country's rights on particular issues such as sanctions and the nuclear issue. The rural constituents share the views of Ahamdinejad while the more liberal urban population is against him. What I find interesting is that the more Iran becomes a part of the international community, the more the likes of Ahmadinejad are dropped for less ideological leaders.

I do not beat myself up if the views expressed above are held against me as being pro-IRI, for a rational reader can distinguish between mud slinging and a logical critique. However, what upsets me is character assassination and libel. I was shocked when out of the blue you accused me of things that I did not do, e.g. "[I can’t help it, but you may also be the same guy who harassed the jews (called them bad joohood) in your neighborhood and also called them “najes”. It is sad that you kept that mentality and prejudice to form your opinion about the Jewish state.]" It may not bear any significance to you to trash other people's character just because "you can't help it," but to me it's a serious act of dishonesty!

Nevertheless, I agree that you may have been on the receiving end of racial slurs as a minority, as have Azaris and many other ethnic groups. That does not necessarily make a community anti-Semitic, but rather ignorant! Especially when more than half the population is illiterate! I know this first hand because I have both Azari and Kurdish heritage as well as Persian. Whenever I heard anti-Turkish slurs, I couldn't help but reminisce my grandmother, who by the way was a teacher and had an Azari accent, and feel sad!
Before my father passed away, he requested not to have religious rites performed in his funeral. Do you know how hard it is to realize that?! I had to constantly shuttle between my aunt and siblings who where on opposing sides of the religious debate and reach a compromise while arranging the funeral! However, you of all people should know a thing or two about prejudice and intolerance before using my parents' beliefs (or lack thereof) which BTW have nothing to do with the discussion here against me as a put-down!

And about Israeli/Palestinian issue, I have one question for you: Do you believe that Jewish settlements in the West Bank are legal and should remain in there or not? And please do not use the threadbare Gaza argument as an example! A simple yes or no!

Niloufar is right (to Pahlavan)

Mr. P., few things went wrong before/during the revolution, and many things went wrong after the revolution, nevertheless Iranian revolution was hugely popular right before victory, and sometime afterwords; it very likely was one the most popular revolutions in the history of revolutions ....
Mr. P. you can't rewrite history in this case even if the participants of that magnificent event such as yours truly go through St. Peter's gate (and ultimately hell in my case).

To Niloufar: "tremendous Independence"

"actually it cannot be 'sehyonists', but 'sehyonistha'. Why do i 'hate' them? for the same reason i 'hate' all racists."

Actually it can be Sehyonists, Persian words used in English sentences are often made plural by the English plural morpheme (e.g Akhounds, Mullahs, Basijis and so on), but I keep reminding myself, I shouldn't expect much from you. so yeah whatever you say.

"the rest of your comment is not worth the effort. you didn't even
address my point to you about wheat. you paint a total caricature of
the situation btw. iranian agriculture is in good shape and we are one
of the few food secure countries around. those years of particularly
low productivity were mainly due to droughts. but, hey, don't let
economic reality get in the way of your proselytizing."

Yes you are right, it was all due to a drought .... a 30 years old drought that hasn't left iran since 1979, it's a drought of management, decency, humanity and patriotism at the top of the country. The average importation of wheat during the former regime was 500m tons per year, while it has been 3000m tons during the Mullah's reign; According to these two table (import export) Iran has been a net importer of food products, importing an average of 1 billion USD per year, so much for "one of the few food secure countries". But I suppose facts, statistics and numbers are irrelevant to someone who's supporting a theocracy; if people live in misery and die in misery, they have the after-life to look forward to right?, so yeah don't bother with these facts they are "not worth the effort".

"i cheered the massacre of iranians? how pathetic can you get? get a
decent attitude and then get back to me if you wanna talk. you don't
belong to the 'centre' btw. stop acting and keep your ignorant lectures
to yourself. your attitude is similar to khalkhali's and them
'sehyonists'."

Well, you did call the Islamic revolution that led to massacre of tens of thousands of Iranians and enslavement of Iran by a bunch murderous Mullahs, "the most popular revolution in the history of revolutions" and expressed your pride over IRI and the "tremendous independence" it has achieved, so yeah you did cheer for massacre of Iranians. As for me, I am on the side of decency and humanity. Unlike you, I don't speak out against atrocities only when it fits my agenda, and I don't support criminal governments, be it IRI, Olmert's government or Bush's government.

Ajam

I could have ignored you and let you have your say and end this worthless exchange between us. But, I decided to post and give you something to ponder and think about. If you allow me I will call you son just because you are a lot younger than I am. First off son, I come to this site any chance I get to read some of the opinions posted by very intelligent people and learn. It also gives me a medium to express my opinions when I like to share them with others. I assure you that I have no agenda, and it is not my intention to fool anyone. Why should I? What would be my motive? Do you really look at this site as anything more than a forum to exchange opinions? Debate about issues, learn a few things here and there, spill your guts out anonymously, cry if you feel like it and laugh out loud. I don’t know about you, but this is my motive for being here.

Son, I don’t know you and never accused you of being anti-Jew. Go back, and this time carefully read my post. Strip the tone of frustration out of it. You had already told me your friendship with Jew neighbors and the fact that you are not a religious person and I had accepted that. My frustration comes from you projecting your opinion as fact and downplaying my real experiences. You see, my experience is not with only my neighbor. I have seen it even in the family of my closest friends. So, why do you and some others try to white wash it?. I have never, ever said that every Iranian Muslim is anti-Jew. Far from it. My closest friends are Muslims and the love of my life is Muslim. But, that doesn’t change the fact that Anti-Jew sentiment amongst Muslims in Iran is prevalent.

It bothers me when you or anyone else takes my anti-IRI comments as anti-Iranian. But, what can I say? You are entitled to your opinion. If I occasionally respond with anger or foul mouth it is inappropriate and I apologize to those who I have insulted momentarily. Thanks to those fair and unbiased moderators who keep the site clean. BTW, there are some biased and prejudiced moderators who behave un-ethically in their moderation. Like the moderator who butchered my last post to you (after you already had seen it) without any profanity or insult in my post. That’s fine, I already have whined about this particular practice on this site. It doesn’t outrage me as I consider it a price I have to pay to be here. If my ridicule and sarcasm is seen as insult, I can appreciate them chopping it off, but the intent has not been insult.

If I question someone’s integrity, I genuinely believe they are not telling (or consciously hiding) the truth. I’m sure it comes out as insulting but the intent is not to insult. Having said that and as much as I try to be conscientious of my responses I will voice my opinion whether others like it or not.  Yes, I question the integrity of someone who has left Iran and enjoyed the freedom and opportunity and prospered outside Iran, to keep his wealth outside, and go back to Iran and use it as a resort. Nothing is wrong with him enjoying what he has, more power to him. But, in my opinion it is disingenuous to undermine the suffering of those who have to earn their living there and fight the sharia law day-in and day-out just to survive and have a dignified life. Don’t get me wrong,  I am not suggesting you or Mr. Abarmard start the revolution, but please stop downplaying the suffering of local Iranians in the name of nationalism and independence (it is not healthy).

One more point and I will shut up. All I have said about the conflict in the middle-east has been my opinion that the two-state is the only feasible solution and to get there requires compromise. If your rational mind says accepting defeat will lead to a better life for you and future generations, then you have to do it. Be it Israel or Palestine. The realities on the ground point to Palestinian have taken the path of self destruction (in the name of resistance).

Thanks for your patience. I throw in my white flag in the name of peace. Please don’t shoot me…

Sleep well my son.

fiddlers on the roof! (to Niloufar)

Niloufar says: "tannet mikhareh ha!"

Niloufare azeez, as usual you asked good questions, this time even a better one.
As you may know I am among those who believe there are many reasonable people even among the Zionists (e.g. George Soros), and perhaps that is why our Zionist friends here, say something good here and there despite their usual border line fascist statements.
Maybe I am too optimistic and biased because I grew up in Esfahan with great respect for our Jewish community. Maybe these guys are not fiddlers on the roof (
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zso2jYE-ctU ), but a bunch of AIPAC extremists.

Salman-e Farsi

A sexy Persian name does not cloak the true nature of a hidden agenda that is blind support for the most criminal arab-parast regime occupying iran, the IRI. We apparently have a lot of Salman-e Farsi amongst us who would sell iran so cheaply for a small stipend, a 7th century cult, or a bankrupt ideology.

Why islamists are so afraid of showing where their true allegiance is is a wonder by itself.

sdf

how much more irrelevant can u get?

Niloufar: Get off your high

Niloufar: Get off your high horses...you're too transparent! What NGO do you work for?? Who sponsors your education in Manchester????

I know you will not publish this. but I hope she reads it.

pahlevan

actually it cannot be 'sehyonists', but 'sehyonistha'. Why do i 'hate' them? for the same reason i 'hate' all racists.

the rest of your comment is not worth the effort. you didn't even address my point to you about wheat. you paint a total caricature of the situation btw. iranian agriculture is in good shape and we are one of the few food secure countries around. those years of particularly low productivity were mainly due to droughts. but, hey, don't let economic reality get in the way of your proselytizing.

i cheered the massacre of iranians? how pathetic can you get? get a decent attitude and then get back to me if you wanna talk. you don't belong to the 'centre' btw. stop acting and keep your ignorant lectures to yourself. your attitude is similar to khalkhali's and them 'sehyonists'.

To Anonymous8: silly me ...,

Silly me who actually thought you are asking me an honest question. Ghafel az inkeh "Mohtaram" "Mohtaram" kardanet hamash film bood.

If you actually read my post you would know that I said progress has been either backward, non-existent or slow at best. Yes, IRI managed to decrease the importation of wheat to 500m tons for one year (it's back to 1800m tons this year), after 30 years with all the technology advancements in the world, we are worse off than we were 30 years ago (or, if you'd prefer, back where we were 30 years ago)

you wrote: The grain thing, foreign policy and pride issues will not convince
anyone to overthrow any government. you only make yourself sound
desperate.

What are you 5 years old?. The wheat importation was among many examples I brought up to show the fallacy of Abarmard's argument and Q decided to pick on that particular example and ignore others. The lack of freedom, the oppression, lack of equality for women, the human rights violations, the economic mismanagement, the disastrous "Na sharghi, Na gharbi" approach that have led to Iran's isolation, the atrocities committed in the name of religion, the losing of Caspian sea and 100s of billions of dollars of oil money due to inability to properly exploit shared resources and many more are all the things that are wrong with IRI. Yet, I am not trying to "convince" anyone to overthrow IRI, if you are referring to foreign intervention, I am vehemently against that, otherwise, rest assured that if IRI was to be overthrown tomorrow, I won't benefit from it, other than that I don't have to suffer while watching the suffering of my country men and women.

Slow down Bijan A M!

You're about to blow a gasket! The reason that I think you have no integrity, is that you are a blatant liar! I have asked you to provide proof for your accusations. I don't know how old you are, 100 maybe! But, again, I was not born until 1966, which makes it impossible to have committed the anti-Semitic crimes that you are alleging to have taken place by me in the 1950s and 1960s. Do you get that, or are you slow somehow?!

You use one of the lamest sophistries, called Exclusionary Reasoning, which means you make an accusation and say OK, since the contrary can not be proved, then, it must be true! In that case, I can accuse you of having been a bank robber or a child molester in Mongolia in the 1930s!!! As I said before, the onus is not on me to seek acquittance, but the burden of proof is on you! So why don't you prove it!

And please...! Spare me the speech about speaking from both sides of your mouth, for all you have shown here so far is putting down Iran and Iranians as racists and pitching for Israeli occupation (e.g. "so what... Palestinians should take whatever Israel is offering, even if it means defeat"). Who are you trying to fool?!

P.S. What (or who for that matter) I do in the privacy of my home is none of your business!

Bijan A M...

You said:

I am a proud Iranian first, and a proud Jew next. Let me assure you that it is not the Jew part that despises the Islamic rule over my beloved land.

I am so proud of you hamvatan! That is the problem with these ideologues: their iranian-ness is only a postscript or a small footnote to their ideology, religion, hatred of the shah, love of islamic republic, and other unholy emotions and agenda.

Both Emam khomeini and Ayatollah Khalkhali clearly said that they were first moslims and then iranian [Ref. YouTube video]. Ayatollah Rafsanjani said it did not matter if he was first moslim or iranian [ref YouTude video]. These were the kind of people who staged the revolution and who are leading iran off the cliff today, and are being cheered. That is very telling of their followers, their mentality, and their agenda.

Payandeh Iran.

Niloufar why do you hate sehyonists ?

You have so much in common with sehyonists (  "seyhonists" as you put it), why attack them?. They cheer for massacre of Palestinians while you cheer for massacre of Iranians. I am guessing you don't know who Ayatollah Khalkhali is (well you can't even speak proper Farsi I shouldn't expect much from you) ... I will tell you this much, what Khalkhali did to Iranian Kurds pales what Olmert did to Palestinians in comparison. What IRI has been doing to Iranian political activists is no less inhuman than what Zionists have been doing to Palestinians. You glorify the Islamic revolution and IRI's atrocities in the name of a phony "independence" while Zionists justify their occupation and atrocities in the name of phony "self-defense" ... you are two sides of the same coin (do rooyeh yek sekeh).

What a bunch of nonsense, Ajam….?

I gave you a little more credit than you deserved. What takes you so low to mix up the issues to score a point?. With your recent post, you are the last one to tell me what is “integrity”. You may be the child of some godless parents and you yourself maybe godless, but that does not negate the reality of my experiences. If you deny the anti-Jew sentiment in Tehran (specially in the Pol-e choobi area), then you lack integrity.

However, this debate had nothing to do with Judaism, Israel, Zionism, or anything Jewish. The whole argument is about speaking from both sides of your mouth and talking about freedom, human rights, democracy,….from one side and defending Islamic rule from the other side just in the name of independence and nationalism.

Mr. Ajam, with all due respect, please remember this, I am a proud Iranian first, and a proud Jew next. Let me assure you that it is not the Jew part that despises the Islamic rule over my beloved land. 

To KN

I'm not sure whether you've been to Iran lately or not, but if you had, you would find your answer among the Iranian people. There are millions of people who are not happy with the way the economy is going and/or about the restrictions on their civil rights. However, when it comes to a national issue such as the nuclear issue or the issue of sanctions, they stand up to the West in defense of their country.

The rest of your comment appears to be a vague shot at a group of posters here whose range I'm not sure of! I'm not sure if I get your point about "humanists and liberals" having 'the "mirror" view that Israelis and Jews are the lesser beings.' But if that includes me, I should tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. I can't speak for anyone else, but what I have posted here in that regard, has been strictly criticism of Israel's actions in occupying, and expanding settlements and the Jewish-only roads serving them, in the Palestinian land. I have never addressed this issue as one of racial or religious nature. On the contrary, I have always been the one challenging a racial or religious angle at viewing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. For I find it one of colonial nature, hence racial and religious schisms as by-product of the colonial policies!

Smart Mobs

By 2030 there will be lasting peace in the middle east, until then it could be a turbulent metamorphosis, however a newly empowered populace will be able to eventually learn non-hegemonic methods of self-regulation.

//www.smartmobs.com/

zion, you don't speak Persian, do you?

it's sahyonist, sahyonistha and sahyonisti

one from many subjects you do not understand about Iranians.

Ajam

You mention those who stood up to Basijis and Pasdars yet still support their country's rights.

I don't see how you can reconcile the two. How can the rights of the same country that suppressed your rights be supported?

That's the integrity issue being talked about here.

We all know about the laws in existence during the monachy, but they don't fit here either, because it's no longer in existence.

The point concerning integrity is that among a core group of people who call themselves "humanists" and "liberals" among other self-anointed labels aimed at creating an air of moral superiority (all of which is patently fake, I might add), there is this belief that only they can determine right from wrong, good from evil, friend from foe. They know who they are. They have completely forgotten where they came from, and they have decided that they know what is good and proper for everyone else.

It is this group that has fouled the air with their hate filled rhetoric, and their belief that the value of a human life is determined by geography, nationality, and religion.

It is no different from what you have said before concerning the actions of Israel and the perception that they view non-Israelis and/or non-Jews as lesser beings. This group of elitists have the "mirror" view that Israelis and Jews are the lesser beings.

That's the point, in a nutshell.

Integrity?!

Dear Mr. Bijan A M, did you mention integrity?! Didn't you just accuse me of committing anti-Semitic crimes in Tehran during 1950s and 1960s of which time I wasn't even born?! You did so with utter impudence and without producing a shred of evidence! Just because I criticized Israel, your Promised Land! Is that integrity or character assassination?

However, there are millions of people, both inside and outside Iran who stand up to Basijis and Pasdars and fight for their rights and yet support their country's rights and do not want to see it turned into Iraq. You would never understand that, because you're full of hate. The only thing of interest for you is Israel's supremacy! So' what gives you the right to tell people where to live or not to live?

During the Shah's time too, there were many who supported Shah, but lived and still live abroad. What's your point? Is it about human rights? When was the last (or even first) time that you criticized breach human rights by Israel? There are discriminatory Islamic laws (e.g. the right of inheritance or polygamy...) that also existed at the Shah's time. Did it mean that every Iranian female had to leave the country and live abroad? Women did, and still do, fight for their rights with or without your fake concern. You'd better concentrate on your own agenda!

Shouldn't it be Sohyuni and not seyhonist ?

.

Anonym7

here is a question for you!

why do you spend your time arguing with people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about?! i mean, here we are 30 full years after the most popular revolution in the history of revolutions, and seyhonistha are rewriting history (oooh those blasted revisionists!), telling us that we have no idea what iran wanted or wants. that it was NOT about independence or anti-imperialism. that the lack of democracy now means that the revolution's aims 30 years ago cannot be legitimately discussed! why bother dude?

tannet mikhareh ha!

but am still a big fan of your comments!

Bijan and Kaveh

I am with you on this 100%. It's sad and funny at the same time, especially when you look at it in a broader context.