Let Sakineh Go Free!

Judge not the rites of the Islamic Republic, whose calendar is still in the 1300s

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Let Sakineh Go Free!
by Guive Mirfendereski
11-Jul-2010
 

Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani is 43 years old. A prisoner in Tabriz, she has been sentenced to death by lapidation (stoning) for the crime of zena mohassaneh. What the fuck is that, do you ask? Well, as far I can figure out it means that she had sex with a married woman! If that is true, then Mahmoud the Motor-Mouth may want to revisit his statement at Columbia University a few years ago as to the absence of homosexuality in the Islamic Republic!

But seriously, folks - I do know if zena is good or bad – I suppose that depends on the cuntext! The word zena itself can mean adultery, fornication and whoremongering. Zena-zadeh is a bastard. Zenakar is an adulterer. Zenakari means fornication, adultery. But zena itself seem to derive from the word zan, woman. Ay-vallah!

If Sakineh was fornicating with a willing party, then let her go. In a nation of 73 million khahar-kos-deh two zenakar of whatever sex managed to find and fondle each other. If she forced herself on the other party – then the legal case is not about zena – it is hatk, rape. And that is not the case here.

Sakineh’s story has attracted some attention abroad. And that is why I got interested in it. I am particularly peeved about the NGO’s and other “international” do-gooders calling for a halt to the death sentence (capital punishment argument) and the stoning (cruelty). Both practices are being derided as medieval! That is where I must stop and point out to the opponents of Sakineh’s sentence that her punishment is the same as a woman adulterer or fornicator or lesbian would have suffered in the medieval times (Middle Ages) in the Christian lands. Judge not the rites of the Islamic Republic, whose calendar is still in the 1300s of the glorious solar Islamic concept of time, by the Christian calendar that is some 600 years more advanced. Six hundred years from now maybe the entire Iranian nation would be made up of amazons and zenakars who would have found very little use for the men that ruled and abused them.

It is amazing to me that a country that is pretending to master the nuclear fuel cycle cannot get over stuff that has to do genitals. By their cruel treatment of Sakineh and others, the Islamic Republic is showing once again that it is more tokhmi (seedy) than hastehi (nuclear).

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Shreen Ayob

I'm confused...

by Shreen Ayob on

What I don't understand is this bit:

 

I am particularly peeved about the NGO’s and other “international”
do-gooders calling for a halt to the death sentence (capital punishment
argument) and the stoning (cruelty)
.

 

Why is he peeved i.e. angry at people who are trying to help? Am I missing something?

 

Anyway, more news, Sakineh's son has been summoned by the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence

 

http://iransolidarity.blogspot.com/2010/07/sakines...


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

I guess

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Guive means the sentence is Medieval. I agree: It definitely is! Good point: the Christians 600 years ago were as barbaric as Islamists now. 

Now lets get to the main point and oppose the punishment.


Shreen Ayob

Clarification required...

by Shreen Ayob on

Hi Guive,

 

I read your post and did not understand the following...

 

I am particularly peeved about the NGO’s and other “international”
do-gooders calling for a halt to the death sentence (capital punishment
argument) and the stoning (cruelty). Both practices are being derided
as medieval! That is where I must stop and point out to the opponents
of Sakineh’s sentence that her punishment is the same as a woman
adulterer or fornicator or lesbian would have suffered in the medieval
times (Middle Ages) in the Christian lands. Judge not the rites of the
Islamic Republic, whose calendar is still in the 1300s of the glorious
solar Islamic concept of time, by the Christian calendar that is some
600 years more advanced.

 

Could you please explain?


Fatollah

I hear you Mr. Mirfendereski

by Fatollah on

"zena mohassaneh" is an extremely ridiculous term, the perverted mullah's have no shame, which reminds me of Sadegh H. take on mullah's, Islam and religions in general.

How did we end up with these psychopath? not sure, I want to cry or find me a mullah to do some "zena mohassaneh" with, albatt-e ba choob tark-e khoshk  ...


yolanda

.....

by yolanda on

Hi! Obama,

 LOL! You really cracked me up! So you were a rebel!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Obama

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I did not mean any disrespect. It is hard to know where people stand on things just off a blog. Sometimes we get bunched together with other people who take the same position. That leads to mistaken impressions that are eventually fixed.


obama

Yolanda ....., VPK,

by obama on

Yolanda, Tabrizi guy wanted to kill me since I went out with his sister when we were both teenager (we didn't even do it). I couldn't speak turkish and that added more negative points against me with him, but added more point with her!!!

VPK, who do you think I am, really? You think I am some kind of nuts who supports IRI? My non-iranian wife who hates IRI would have left me long time ago, if I were one!

oh boy, the kind of impression one can leave on people using this blog! In fact, in my youth I lost some of my boxing matches when I stopped beating the guy as soon as I noticed blood in their mouths, or bruises (never mind breaking noses). That's why I finally switched to martial arts and gymanstics. 

I am much more human than you think. In fact, that's why I have problem with some countries for the treatment of people!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Obama

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Glad we are in agreement on stoning. It is pretty sickening. Iranians all unite in opposing IRI barbarism. Good!

VPK


yolanda

......

by yolanda on

Hi! Obama,

   Thank God your life is spared!


obama

It takes stoning, for Guive to write here! Welcome back!

by obama on

I agree with you 100%. Amazing thing is that she is not even married, since her husband has already died! I remember, when I was visiting Tabriz, in my teens, then I should have been killed long time ago. In fact, Tabrizi girls were very sepid................nice!

How come they don't stone the guy? After all, without him, there would be no sex. They are afraid, if they do that, most mollahs would be eligible!

This is barbarian. Stoping one is not going to end this - removing IRI would! I guess, we the stupid taleban in tabriz (iran) too.


yolanda

....

by yolanda on

IRI has pretty thick skin.....after world-wide condemnation, IRI still defends stoning her:

http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jul/1088.html


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

They

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

say a lot of things. My point is that Adultey should not be a prosecutable offense. It is under the Sharia rule of IRI. Do you dispute this ISK?

BTW: The sight of you givine Jannati mouth to mouth would be something !!


i_support_khamenie

they say adultery and murder amongst charges

by i_support_khamenie on

murder is included they say


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Iranian Amazon

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

This business of putting men and women against each other is nonsense. Yes it is simple to blame things on a gender but it is crap. People are responsible for their actions not genders. I have kids and I love my daughter as much as my son. Those who try to frame this as a feminist issue are wrong. It is a human rights issue.

No good will come out of dividing a nation based on gender.Try to raise a kid without a father and you will get a poorly raise kid. We all have our place and are needed. A healthy society needed men and women. Each will provide their sterngths. 

VPK


Souri

Agreed!

by Souri on

Very good article, absolutely to the point.

I liked this part, too:

"Six hundred years from now maybe the entire Iranian nation would be made
up of amazons and zenakars who would have found very little use for the
men that ruled and abused them.
 
"

You always fascinate me by your extra ordinary reasoning.

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Yes

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Sakineh and all other people held on adultery charges should be released. It is not the job of the government to punish people for this. It is a matter of personal and family. The only place government has is in the divorce proceedings. If you do adultery then you should get sanctioned in the divorce. No lashes; no execution. 

VPK

 


yolanda

......

by yolanda on

You are absolutely right that IRI should let Sakineh go free!!!

Thank you for the Farsi etymology, semantics, and Linguistics lesson! Very interesting! I also learned a new word, lapidation!