NUTS

Spike

There was a program about the treatments of Mexican immigrants in US jails by human rights and immigrant rights groups. It has been several months since I saw it and i also read on line. but here is one of 66 dead in Us custody.

//www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/nyregion/05detain.html?pagewanted=all

Here is another 83. in 2008

//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/immigration/cwc_d1p1.html 

Yesterday I was reading about US involvement in the assassination of Hariri, the X president of Lebanon. If you recall, US and Israel were blaming Syrian government for that and they almost started a war with Syria. It happens that Syria was the next war mission for Dick Cheney and CIA assassinated Hariri to use that as pretext. Would you like that too?

Vildemose

"Anti-Semitic screeds regularly warned
that Jews were plotting to destroy the United States in one way or
another. A 1940 survey found that 17 percent of Americans considered
Jews to be a “menace to America.”"

What's your point?

Vildemose

Not really.  I went to the big rally a couple of weeks ago, but that's about it.

Thanks for the article Vildemose

pretty interesting history

for spike:

"Anti-Semitic screeds regularly warned that Jews were plotting to destroy the United States in one way or another. A 1940 survey found that 17 percent of Americans considered Jews to be a “menace to America.”"

Spike: Are you a member of

Spike: Are you a member of Tea party "movement"?

Dariush

Please give me the source you are using to claim that our law enforcement is beating and murdering immigrants.  The Huffington Post doesn't count.

I would like to respectfully suggest a book to you called "The Looming Tower".  It's a very detailed treatment about the rise of AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood and BL.  It goes quite in depth into the relationship between the mujahideen and the CIA and the Pakistanis in Afghanistan.  Another good one is "Charlie Wilson's War".

Dariush

Extended what war?  He pulled the majority of US troops out of Iraq on the timeline set by the evil GWB.

Thanks Masoud...

...but I'm not Iranian.  I'm an American with an open mind, and the willingness to use it. 

spike

Are you listening to Obama ?

The problem i see with him is that he extended the war.

Escape

Stop Noskhe pichi!! chi migi haminjoori bara khodet??:))

You should be thankful that there are at least those (democrats) who still worry and care for your civil rights, as naive and weak as that make them seem. Bush wanted to tap the crap out of the way you communicated with the outside world.

Spike I don't think the

Spike

I don't think the Doc is a IRG apologist or an America hater,but he/she is a tough one to crack.Probably have to ask Sargord about the Doc's personal information.Apparently there is a prize involved.

You're right on,it was cut and run time for the Democrats as soon as it looked tough.It was so nice of them.Send us in,then split to leave Bush holding the bag.Of course most Democrats don't want to take the wool from their eyes,Reminds me of the pull out of Iraq this month with Obama taking credit but Bush actually signed the Date.

They say the reason why Republican's have the Elephant as a Moniker,is because they have memory the size of a Elephant. 

Masoud A

Irrelevant is such a subjective term Mr. I know all about US politics. It all depends on who you are. Just cuz i disagree with you does not mean i am focused on Irrelevant issues and You are the one focused on big issues.

Your analogy really is not even good for Third graders. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Both parties are likely to be influenced by both Corporations and Foreing Interests, If you are denying that The Repulicans are Pure patriots and not been influenced by any outsider, you really don't know much do you?

Obamas as much of an implant as bush was, In fact Bush was even more and much deeper in their pockets. Are you ignoring that? Uncles sam's Has always allowed Dollar to run the show! How do you NOT get that is very shocking. (by the way your chale maydoon bazi is not gonna make any more sense out of what you say)

Tea Party is far from taking over america and there is no denying the Influence of Religion on them. I know what my realities are , Do you?

spike

Even CIA has admitted, but you won't.

Americans hiking during war in Iran/Iraq borders? Something is wrong with this picture!!! 

Am I lying or you cannot handle the truth? It is happening in your jails too. Over 40 jailed immigrants have been beaten to death in jails by immigration officers in 2009 according to your own agencies.

You sound a bit like John who answered to my other questions about American Indians and etc. 

replies

spike

Hospitals going out of Buisness? part of an overwhelming Healtcare fiasco in this country. The Illegals make up only a portion of the Non payers.

Texas is also gaining so much more in Taxes that they do not bother  to tell us. Have you thought about that?

Mexican drug dealers , Should be stopped and put in jail, You are right. That is a crime. But that does not make all illegals their partners in crime. Getting drunk and driving and ending up killing someone is shameful but how many of those happen with CITIZENS behind the wheel and you don't hear about it? Don't you think some group is being framed here? You don't see that as a propagandaa campaign to force Illegals good and bad outta the country? What about those who sincerely want tobe part of this country and turn over productive individuals to the society?

I have not FAILED at anything since i was not even asked to give one good reason for this! you sure are good at making things up. Now that must know, NO. I do not oppose such decisions and in fact i am much in favor of it. Control the borders, Grill people to death at the borders, Nip this thing in the butt, and prevent them from coming in. This ought to be satisfactory enough for you right?:)

What happens when someone walks into US NOT SNEAK IN? gets arrested. These people Sneak in they do not walk,. Heck of a difference there.

Yes. I am scared. There. That is a my confession. Happy now? I am seeing plenty more "different" POV here from You, that should do it for one day, don't ya think

Dear Spike

I think you are one bright dude - I wish more Iranains were as insightful as you are. 

Dariush: really dude?

You really think AQ was supported by US?  You must not be very bright.  AQ is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot, and we never supported them.  BL got support from us through Pak to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan (and he wasn't all that good at it).  AQ didn't exist during the Soviet occupation.  As far as supporting Saddam against the Iranians, so what.  The govt of Iran is our sworn enemy.  I'm sure you understand that the enemy of my enemy is my friend....I didn't realize that Iraq was part of Iran, or Syria or Jordan or Egypt or what ever.  You lie about the border with Mexico.  Stop it.  You should know better.  And by the way, why are the hikers in jail?

Final notes on the topic - for Dr. X

Doc - When it comes to US politics (or politics in general) you appear to be focused in irrelevant details while missing some very important and relevant factors!!!  

For example - members of which one of the two political parties in America are more likely to be effected by American Corportations?  The answer would be: The Republican Party.   Now - members of which party are more apt to be influenced by Foreign Enteties? 

As I have said before - Obama is a foreign implant.   That means he is someone who has won the US presidency fair and square with the help of foreign lobby to protect foreign interests in America - that is because Uncle Sam's capitalist system does allow $$ to control private media hence influence elections.   Get that?   And - speaking of Tea Party - just like the original Tea Party - this new one is also out to cut Foreign Influence in America.   If you think the Tea Partiers are a bunch of racist religous freaks - you are sadly mistaking.   Forget both CNN and Fox - pay attention to the realities.   Tea Party has now taken over America - and thank god for that.    

spike

You mentioned, Saddam, Al Qaeda and Sadr.

You forgot to mention that the first two the dictator and the terrorists were supported by US for a loooong time. 

On the other hand, Iran has supported those who resist against occupation of their country.

As you ask the three hikers who are eating Chelo kabab and other tasty Persian foods, also ask the dead who were used for target practice by border patrols in US and women who were rapes in the desert and were left to die. 

I hear you, but you are not Striking The Root.   

Dr X

Oh you're right.  I guess all those hospitals that have gone out of business were just making it up.  I guess Texas really isn't spending an extra $100,000,000 per year to care for illegal aliens.  I guess the Mexican drug dealers aren't using illegal aliens as drug mules.  I guess an illegal alien didn't get drunk and drive head on into a car full of nuns, killing 2 of them.  The list of social pathologies that they bring is endless.  All I've ever asked is that they do things legally-come through the front door and sign the guest book.  You still have failed to give a good reason why the US should be the only country in the world that doesn't control its own borders.  What happens when someone walks into Iran?  Let's ask those 3 hikers, if they ever get out of jail.  I guess you're just a little too scared to go to a tea party event and see and hear a different point of view.

Bavafa

Al Quaeda and The Sadr Goons were both outsiders.  Al Quaeda is a foreign terrorist organization populated by Saudis, Jordanians, Yemenis, Syrians etc.  They were not there in 2003.  Sadr was funded, trained and supported by the Iranian govt.  The people of Iraq were glad to get rid of Hussein.  I don't understand why you are so tolerant of oppressive governments.  I guess you attachment to freedom has been frayed duee to living under an oppresive govt.

Doctor X

You wrote, ddd

Doc, I get it. 

You are saying, I should have explained what I meant, the first time, right?

Bavafa

I can't believe after so many years you are asking such questions. 

Americans are always the good guys and others are to blame. 

I asked an American, why did you all hang all them black people? He said, is it our fault that they are black?

I asked, why the American Indians? He said, them fools were living in America for so long, way before us and still couldn't speak English.

I asked, why the Mexicans?  He said, no human can reproduce like that.

I asked, why the Afghans and the Iraqis?  He said, Have you seen how they dress, even in summer?

spike:

It is very easy to pass the buck… but none of those Muslims were killing each other before GWB decided to intervene. By law, it is the responsibility of the occupying force to bring order to the occupied land.

So, next time if you get a chance to meet an Iraqi mother who has lost every thing, ask her…. if she wanted to be liberated from Saddam? Was it worth it to you to pay what you paid for some thing you did not ask?

And since I feel you are a patriotic American, let me ask you this….should an foreign military try to set up camp in your home town, regulate your where abouts and movement, set up a government to rule over you… will you take arms and kill as many of them as you can or ?????

If a foreign military sets up camp in my home… I will fight with my life to liberate my home from that invader… I hope you will do the same.

Mehrdad

P.S. Incidentally, I did that once when Saddam invaded Iran and will not hesitate to do it again.

Spike

In just one short paragraph you demonstrated so flawlessly, how little you know about the little details that impact the daily lives of americans.

It is interesting that you make the projection of being angry on to me. while it is so obvious that you are the one who really is boiling up with frustration and i think i am right since you know well how to stop that feeling by going through the steps as in taking a deep breath and exhaling.

First i never claim that you know so much about iran and i was refrencing your supposed knowledge about the US! which now i know you are falling short in that aspect. Illegal aliens don't just contribute to cheap labor. They do pay taxes when they are out there shopping. They do shop and they do and must set money aside for their living expenses and unlike what you may think It is not a free lunch for them. That would so presumptous and wrong for someone who is a proud US citizen as you. They even pay property taxes. more than regular average american by paying Their monthly rent.

Does not matter if i spent time at a Big major Hospital ER or not, But you demonstrate your utter lack of disrespect by assuming that hearing spanish-speaking people around you confirms that those all are Illegals. How immature of you really. And how do you know for a FACT that they are not paying for their care, is beyond logic and any sense of decency. How do you really know this? what we pay into SS and other sociall programs have more use for ordinary american citizen, far more than it is beneficial for anillegal immigrant.

They depress wages? Really? they take up jobs with "decent" pay so that others won't have access to? really! I guess NASA and NIH must have beat Macdonalds and Taco bell into hiring these people and paying them decent wages! Why would an american minority even want to compete with an illegal immigrant for a lousy job when there are lots of other opportunities to start better careers?

I let you enjoy the company of your Teaparty brothers and sisters. I take a rain check, Thank you very much.:)

"

ddd

ddd

Bevafa I've met many veterans and their families

And while they are terribly sad at the sacrifice that they and their loved ones have made, they're also very proud of the fact that they liberated 35,000,000 (that's 6 zeros) people from a truly evil dictator and his dirtbag sons.  As for the "hundreds of thousands of Iraqis" killed in the war, the most dangerous thing to a Muslim is another Muslim.  The Sadr mililtia, funded and equipped by Iran killed thousands of Iraqis.  AQI killed thousands more.  On purpose.  The ISLAMIC REPUBLIC is funding the Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan today.  It wasn't an American car bomb that exploded yesterday at the Afghan police station.  

Like I said, I hated the bailouts.  If you run your business into the ground, you should be allowed to fail, and not be helped out on everybody else's dime for the next 100 years.

Dariush, what exactly are you thanking me for?

I don't care if Dr X has a gun.  BTW, what kind of Dr is Dr X?

You're welcome.  I think.

spike:

First thing first, I absolutely do not hate any Jews for being a Jew, in fact few people in the world will fit my list of those who I can say I hate.

Secondly, the cost of Iraq war in terms of $$$ is about $750B (that is nine zeros) about the same amount that was given to the Bankers by GWB admin and about the same that was spent on the economy by Obama to help ordinary citizen. Now can you imagine how many AMERICANs would have had a job or a roof over their head or … if we had not miss-spent this amount? In terms of lives, please tell that to any mother, father, wife or husband that your loss is less then the number of folks are getting killed in CA annually and see what you may hear. Or say it to an Iraqi, the many hundred of thousands (again like the war cost, it has many zeros in the front of that number) as why they were killed.

About SS, like yourself I much rather not to have given the $$$ all these years and hope that I may see some of it. But I surely would not think a market would be a solution either. My 401K is far worse then my SS.

Mehrdad

P.S. the cost of error in Iraq is hardly over, we will be paying for decades to come, there are many many thousand veteran with disabilities/long term care and unable to work.

Mehrdad

Dariush

You mastery of Barry Sotero's talking points is impressive, but who cares?  The AMT is not going to be indexed for inflation.  The D's have controlled Congress for 4 years and have not bothered to do it, because they like the idea of sweeping up more and more taxpayers in that net.  Medicare reimbursements are being cut by $500 billion.  Money from TARP and ARRA has not been fully disbursed and the programs are unecessary and wasteful.  Germany has been trending towards an American model, away from massive social welfare spending and their finance minister recently criticized the US for wasteful social welfare spending. Germany was on the verge of economic collapse, a la Greece.  You're confusing the debt and the deficit.  When Bush left office the deficit was $500 billion.  The debt was $10 or $11 trillion.  Now it's $14 trillion.  The cost of the war was trivial compared to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  Within a few years, interest on the debt, SS, Mcare and Mcaid will take up the ENTIRE US budget.  There will be no money available for anything else.  You don't have to be an economist to figure THAT out.