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Dearest Khorasan

Please don't try and manipulate to look clever and in the process divert away from the point. This Aryan question is constantly on Iranian.com regardless of my getting involved over the past few days. To make it look like nobody gives a damn about the Aryan question except me or a handful of others is preposterous. If it was such a non-issue this video wouldn't have been embedded in the first place let alone generate such discussion. I can't speak for whatever Iranians you know but usually whenever Iranians want to get nationalistic the first thing they say is we are Aryans (to demonstrate superiority to their regional neighbours) and the next is either how wonderful monarchy is or how backwards Arabs are. I didn't insult arabs sir, in fact every other time I look on this site I see Arabs being insulted by who? Well its Iranian.com so naturally Iranians. Middle Easterners generally are manipulative and deceitful whether it be arabs or Iranians, more to the point this idea that prior to the revolution Iranians were completely different and straight forward is baloney. The current regime has just brought out and emphasised the worst in Iranian culture rather than created a new culture of duplicity and dishonesty that never existed prior to Khomeini and the gang coming in to power. Shifting all the blame on Islam for Iranians lousy characteristics wouldn't be such an annoying argument if it didn't always end up deviating to shifting the blame to Arabs. At the end of the day those bearded turban wearing akhonds are also potentially 'scientifically' Aryans hence being Aryan doesn't stand for much (this point isn't just for you veiled prophet as evidently you're aware of Aryaness not being a big deal). If its not Islam/Arabs fault its Jimmy Carter's, the west's, America's or Britain's fault for Iran being in the state it is, never Iranian people's fault. If and when the regime tumbles lets see what a tremendous secular regime and blissful utopia darling Iranians will create.                

Dear cyrousg1

who gives a flying fart if Iranians are Aryans, whether that be down to science or down to who f***in' cares.  

Apparently you do because you keep harping on it. Many of us have said it matters not. But I keep finding posts by people harping on it. You are doing a discussing with yourself. Insult Arabs then yell at Iranians for doing it.

Who is screaming "Aryan" the whole time: you and a few others. Most Iranians I know never talk about it. But anti-Iranians are obsessed with it. How about we stop the race nonsense. But it will deprive anti Iranians of a major talking point.

Regarding Islam: you bet it is what is keeping Iranians backwards. A religion which promotes "tagiyyeh" is not a problem? You got to be kidding me. When you step out of line to the tiniest bit you get hanged. Do you expect people to not lie!

Scientifically Aryan

Even if it is 'scientifically' proved that Iranians are Aryans, so what? Iran will still be a third world country rife with corruption and nepotism run by a despicable theocracy. The Iranian 'Aryans' will still be incapable of sufficiently following any civilised rules and all the time cheating for greasy self-gain. Last time I was in that wonderful haven of Aryaness (Iran) twice I nearly got run over by some disgusting haji baba taxi drivers who could clearly see that a pedestrian was crossing the road yet they still zoomed at me like it was nothing. If I hadn't used my spider man skills I would have been in several pieces. I knew an Iranian who lived in the west for years and worked as a university lecturer in both Britain and the U.S. After forty years away from delightful Iran Zamin he went back to work part time in Tehran as a lecturer. The man was absolutely mortified at the amount of plagiarism these 'Aryan' students had the audacity to submit to him. Is this crooked dysfunctional society at any benefit from the fact that maybe Iranians are 'scientifically' Aryans? Oh but let me guess its all the regime's fault not the people's fault and thats only because the regime is Islamic and there is Islam in Iran because of the Arabs 1400 years ago invading, so in actual fact its not Iranians fault its the 'A'rabs fault. Pathetic really hence the question remains who gives a flying fart if Iranians are Aryans, whether that be down to science or down to who f***in' cares.        

In roozha hame Phd Oxford darand....Shoma Chetor ?LOL

 Passokh be in Agha Maziar Ashrafian va pajooheshe gholabish !!

(from 30:00)

Yeah Baldrick, pity you are still only half white LOL

BBC garbage

I do not take one bit of BBC "news" seriously not for a second. After their promotion of Khomeini I will never trust them. Yes BBC has a bunch of half decent shows but none of their reporting it worth one penny not to me.

Iranian and other people need to understand this. No news media is fair and they all have their own bias. But BBC is particularly pro Islamic and anti-Iranian. As well as anti-Israeli. 

Their one job appears to be to sow dissent and make trouble. On top of it Tony Blair gutted out what little credibility BBC once may have had. It is now absolute obvious. They tow the line or "lord" something or other will take a dump on them.

This BBC is such a loud speaker for Islamists Agenda's

Pity the UK thinks this policy has longevity.  IRI is a gonner even with all their help and technology to kill and torture iranian protestors.  Iran's Masons must be so proud of the reality & truth behind the ideals of their masters, actively encouraging traitors to Iran I mean.  Maybe we should realize that BBC reaches 250 million eye balls and its misinformation & propaganda is far stronger than any education we can put on this site.  This is why we need more activists, who are protected by laws in the west to highlight the lies and remind Iranians that When we USE ARYAN, it is not Racial, but cultural.

anglofile

Some of my ancestors on my mother's side were at Daniel Boone's side. One of them was at Valley Forge.

I have English, Irish and Scandinavian ancestry, on that side of the family.

What you think I qualify as, makes no difference to anything. 

Go get a tissue, crybabies...

Blow your big Iranian noses, and try to see the bright side.

At least you're not as dark as the Indians!

; ) 

The issue of "Aryan" is political, NOT biological or racial

The above video serving ruling mullahs' political agenda. It has nothing to do with Irainans race or their genetics.  Thanks Mayam Hojati for pinpointing the issue right away.  

Baldrick

Your comments:

and

"I'm having troube finding any scientific interest in the commentary here." 

is a typical peasant's comment and that is why you are called Baldrick.

Iranian community, like any other ones, has all type of people. However to your surprise, considering the total population, we have more educated individuals than your mum's type. There is absolutely no reason why everyone should be expresing himself or herself in scientific terms.

YOUR COMMENTS JUST PROVES YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.

No Baldrick you are a redneck wannabe - LOL

With all due repect to our good friend Mullahkosh (and I agree with everything he says except that you are a redneck) you aren't at all qualified to be a redneck. Your paternal ancesters (and that is what matters when we say our fathers land!) had no hand in building America. If anything they have been chanting death to America all along. Rednecks will make a meal of you for breakfast, lunch and dinner if they find who you are. You are much safter among us Iranians than among the redneck yankees. This is why you are on this site and not on rednecks.com LOL.

The crunch of the matter is what our good friend Mullahkosh said: YOU AND SCIENCE ARE LIKE OIL AND WATER - YOU DONT MIX. this is why you have so much time on your hand to be on this site. 

No go figure kiddo - LOL 

Self-hating? Bullshit

By calling a spade a spade, and highlighting Iranian sh-t that has ruined the lives of the people in my family, I'm doing myself a great big favor.

I couldn't care less if you don't like it.

Go back to Iran, if you don't like me defending the people who founded and built America. 

Thank You For Calling Me a Redneck

I would consider it an honor to be one.

Rednecks conquered and tamed North America's wilderness, and farmed this country.

That's how you can eat three square meals a day - otherwise, you'd be back in Ayatollah land, licking their butts. 

I happen to have a degree in Biochemstry, so quit grandstanding you ungrateful foreigner.

Jahan..

I have been reading your nonsense for a while here, and actually one of the reasons I joined this site to comment on your nonsense. Instead of acting all arrogant, all knowning, and grandstanding, why don't you teach us ignorant Iranian a thing or two about science, and express your points? You say a lot nonsense, because at the end of the day, you are here to put people down, not in anyway contribute to the discussion.

Now let me tell you my opinion on this topic in a very scientific way. As you may or may not know, and it seems from your comment that most likely you don't know, any scientific discussion surrounding genetics, particularly the field of mitochondrial DNA splicing and tracing would need to be evaluated by a peer group approach. In case, in your redneck corner of the world, you just did not understand what I said, let me put it in everyday terms. It means, many other scientists need to read the paper that will result from this study, and would have to confirm its results both statistically, and scientifically. Once that happens, we can argue about the merit. At the very least, we would need to see the results of these experiments as part of peer group journal publication to express any credible opinion on it. Until then, sorry dude, I don't know how it works in your neck of the woods, but I can't argue for or against what this dude is saying through a TV interview process.

Got it? now go and do what you do best, that is self-hating, and Iranian bashing. At least you are good at that, and more entertaining...

No Wonder Iranians Didn't Classify Their Plants and Animals

They're still not finished with the ridiculous political battle to classify themselves!

Do Iranians Really Appreciate Science?

The comments here seem to indicate that they don't.

I'm having troube finding any scientific interest in the commentary here.

All of it is political and philosophical (as usual). 

2050

Since you call me a racist and do not have an proof let me respond. Read these then show me what part of it is racist:

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...

You make an accusation then say you have not time to prove it? 

VPK, 1-      I

VPK,

1-      I agree with that premise 100%. All religions are made up to control the masses, including Islam, no questions there. However, they are also way of life for most humans, and reality shows that not all people around the world who identify themselves as “religious” are bad; in fact, that cant be farther from the truth! That will lead us to conclude that there are other factors that contribute to the rise and falls of societies besides religion and many agree that its social-economical-political structures of a society. For example the values that we institute in our kids are probably the primary reason. You can be Muslim, atheist, Christian or other, and either tell your kids to lie in order to get ahead in life or don’t lie at all cause its wrong, and that’s how a society is built.

2-      I have no reason to lie and you know that you have said that, and you gotta be kidding if you think I have the time to go back and try to retrieve that and you got to be kidding if you think I need to retract a statement and you do not! You called me “arab” and “muslim” (In negative terms, and if anything that is a sign of racism and intolerant right there!) plenty of times. When a  KKK calls someone the N word do you think they mean that in a good way or bad way? The same with you. It was obvious that you called me those in negative terms and that is a live proof of intolerance and bigotry. Also one of the first comments you ever made towards me is that I am an “Iran hater”. You know it and I know it. Are you willing to retract those statements? I guess "Jaaye shaaki wa moshtaki awaz shodeh!".

3-      Don’t know what you want me to say.

Dear 2050

The title of your post is "VPK, You are wrong" I will add "In your opinion". You are entitled to your opinion but it is not a fact. 

1) I have heard all these explanations of "not real Islam" or "not real Christianity". I just don't buy it not any more. If God or Allah is real then it is the responsibility of God to defend the religion. If the all powerful God allows people to act in name of Islam then he must approve. If not why does he not stop them? Let us think logically about this. I will give you my reason and you show me if there is another reason:

• Allah is made up and that is why.
• Allah does not care and does not interfere.
• Allah approves of these Islamist actions.

The business about "we are being tested" is not compelling to me. Why does the all knowing God need to test us? I figure he reads our minds and knows it. Hence no need for that.

Now add to it the actual wording of Quoran and deeded of Mohammad. Where does that leave me. I think Muslims are doing exactly what Islam tells them. 

2) and “my race is superior to others”, as many Iranians like yourself do, then I would have serious problem with it.

I have never said that and I demand a quote to prove it. Or retract this allegation. It is a lie; and I deeply resent it. When you say one thing like this why should I believe anything else you say?

3) I don’t defend Islam no matter what I am sorry but your posts show otherwise. Regarding being a Muslim I don't know if you are or not. I don't know you in person. It is just your word. A few lines before you claimed I am a racist with no proof. Why should I believe anything you say when you make such a blatant "mistake".

VPK, You are wrong.

VPK,

You are wrong.

1-      I want justice and fairness and I absolutely think what’s going on in the name of Islam by the hands of people like Khomeini and others are not true Islam. Some of the nicest people I met in my life are the ones who are devoutly Islamic, the same ones that do not drink and do not eat pork and have their women in veils and have long beards and read Quran every day but can’t hurt a fly. So how do you explain that contradictions? Ordoghan is Turkey is an Islamist, Taleghani in Iran was an Islamist, ..how come they don’t justify murder in the name of Islam? Again, don’t blame an entire way of life because of the actions of a few. That’s all I’m saying. You have problem understanding that I don’t know what else to tell you.

2-      I don’t hate Persian heritage but I disapprove of it only when that heritage is used for any belittling or demonization of others. I would do the same if Islam or Christianity or other cultures are used to demonize others. As long as you are proud of your Iranian culture I have no problem with it, but if you take that pride to the level that “Iranian heritage is the best ever”, or “our culture is better than other cultures”, and “my race is superior to others”, as many Iranians like yourself do, then I would have serious problem with it.

3-      I don’t defend Islam no matter what, if that was the case, why don’t I practice it??? That’s simple to understand, isn’t it VPK?

Khomeini and his regime DO not represent Islam just as Lieberman and Netanyahu do not represent Judaism or Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell do not represent Christianity and Zoroastrian moghs who used to massacre others in the name of religion in pre Islam Iran do not represent Zoroastrianism.

People of Iran

  As a student of history, cultures and people I know that all people are related.  Genetics tells us this.  At one time all of us came from a small group of people, that thousands of years ago went in different directions.  I see Persia as a diverse country.  Like the USA.  I don't think that putting people in categories does anyone any good.  We are all human, we can intermarry, and all have children together.  Only Religions separate us.  Without it, we can live in peace. 

  I love Persia.  I love its people, its beauty and history. I think that we should stop looking at each other with tunnel vision and just start to communicate without cultural bias, or other bias'.

People of Iran

  As a student of history, cultures and people I know that all people are related.  Genetics tells us this.  At one time all of us came from a small group of people, that thousands of years ago went in different directions.  I see Persia as a diverse country.  Like the USA.  I don't think that putting people in categories does anyone any good.  We are all human, we can intermarry, and all have children together.  Only Religions separate us.  Without it, we can live in peace. 

  I love Persia.  I love its people, its beauty and history. I think that we should stop looking at each other with tunnel vision and just start to communicate without cultural bias, or other bias'.

People of Iran

  As a student of history, cultures and people I know that all people are related.  Genetics tells us this.  At one time all of us came from a small group of people, that thousands of years ago went in different directions.  I see Persia as a diverse country.  Like the USA.  I don't think that putting people in categories does anyone any good.  We are all human, we can intermarry, and all have children together.  Only Religions separate us.  Without it, we can live in peace. 

  I love Persia.  I love its people, its beauty and history. I think that we should stop looking at each other with tunnel vision and just start to communicate without cultural bias, or other bias'.

My apology to cyrousg1

sorry if I offended you.  

Seems we are on the same page once you realized "my friend" was figure of speech. Now, lets talk about the first part of my comment which was more important. you didn't mention anything about what side you like to be and I am still wondering.

After shah left the country Iranians were facing 2 enemies.

A. External enemies under leadership of Saddam Hossaine

B. Internal enemies under leadership of Khomaini.

our people were fighting against these 2 Iran enemies. We get rid of external enemy. Now we are facing with mullahs as a biggest barrier to our progress and prosperity. These monsters spend a lot of our oil money for this kind of research to prove that we are not Aryan and we are decendant of Mohammad and Ali and Fatima. Their agents on this site also trying to promote Arab ideas and dismiss our nation from their heritage and our rich history which is history of SHAHANSHAHI. shah always refered to himself as "light of Aryan" means "Aryamehr". Now, mullahs tries to challenge that notion especially recently because mullahs feel threat from crown Reza Pahlavi. Mojahedins are dead and have no place in Iran. Iranians realized that monarchy is the best political system for our country and crown Reza Pahlavi can take the office any day, so mullahs spend a lot of money to the above researchers to proof Iranians are not Aryans. They think they can fight against monarchy and shah and his concept of "light of Aryan" "Aryamehr".

Now, you can call me arab once crown Reza take the office. I don't mind at all, but not that this time. I am sure, the issue of Aryan will be resolved once monarchy re-established the same as the time shah was on power. We never had that issue. Mullahs started and remember they are the ones who keep arguing about it, not patriatic people who love Iran.

BTW,

I love you avatar. It is really Persian.

Ba Mehr,

Siavash 

Don't waste time

Obviously your use of ‘my friend’ wasn’t literal so what, If you’re gonna continue attempting to enlighten me get over your self with the smart ass condescension, its not clever its simple.

Mullahs have guns over peoples heads and terror at their call

Once they fall, a little free speech with a dash of care and concern for human dignity, not to mention the collage of documented videos on them speaking during this modern age, will wipe them out.  So I understand the defensiveness on their part, but they are a remorseless spiteful evil who the people can never deny they saw.  My only concern is that when monarchy comes back that somehow it will give them an air of respectability again, as corrupt as we know they and their teachings are.  Thats why freedom of speech and press and tolerance are the real key things that Iran needs above anything else.

Re: Aryans united

Go on keep stamping your feet! People have a right to their opinion and this ain't IRI. I don't know or care who is a Muslims and who is not. All I know is that Islamists have allergy to pre-Islam Iran. 

cyrousg1 misinterpretation

 "I’ve heard it a million times before"crousg1

It is not clear what you heard million times. Surely, you were not aware mullahs were promoting arab culture by claiming Iranians are not Aryan. Those who are nationalists and have deep love for Iran promote Persian culture and "Persian identity" on which being "Aryan" is big part of it. On the contrary, mullahs tries to dismiss Persian identity and Persian history. That is common knowledge that mullahs are trying to replace Norooz with Arabian Eid such as Fetr, etc. Or try to dismiss chahrshanbehsouri. The school text books are suffering from the same mentality. Once some one told me people who had been away from Iran for many years have very low understanding to what is really going on in Iran. Now, you may was not aware that mullahs shows bad persons in their movies as someone who has portrait of Koroush in his/her house. Some one who is good person in mullah's movie are the one with beard and mustach such as hezbollahs in Lebanon. Theives in mullahs control movies are the ones who dress with suit and ties. Have you heard this million times? I am not sure you did. Anyway, our war with stinky mullahs are keep going on. From one hand they have their own agenda and from the other hand, we have our own agenda. You may take a side with one if you want to.

" I’m not your friend " cyrousg1

There are 2 ways of reading the words A.  Literary B. figurative

you figure out which one I meant when I said "my friend".

Ba Mehr,

Siavash

Aryans united

My personal attack, don't make me laugh. He condescended me so I responded with my opinion of his whole "persian culture is under threat' speech. I'm sure he can respond himself with out the Untied Aryans coming to the rescue. Now it seems more cliches (Islamists, I'm not a Muslim) are being used. Great stuff guys