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No JK, the reason is

Dark indians, through Iran to lighter Irish, shared no racial similarity, but a linguistic and cultural one.  I'm in London and the oldest church here is a roman one, which before the romans somehow was a zoroastrian one and after the romans conquered UK they rebuilt the church into another form.  So it is about the Aryan Culture above all else (rooted in linguistics which has a great impact on culture.)  The Indians are major contributers with their Indus gods and ideas they gave Aryan Culture so much. 

Whether Modern Iranians Are Aryans Is a Separate Issue

The original Aryan invaders of Iran probably were racially distinct.

The fact that most modern Iranians aren't Aryans is an entirely serate issue.

Of course they aren't. Aryans were only one of the various groups that have invaded Iran.

The Mongols, Arabs, Tatars, Turks and Greeks have also invaded Iran. 

The original people who lived in Iran before the Aryans even invaded, probably outnumbered the invaders and absorbed them, as was probably the case with all other invasions.

The Persian empire also expanded and absorbed other people, and this contributed further to the ancient melting pot that has resulted in modern Iranians. 

Aryans Probably Were A Race

Language and breeding groups have been mostly consistent, throughout at least their early history.

Their own writings and their own culture emphasized that they were conscious of themselves as a people who were different from others in physical appearance, as well as culture and language.

Right? 

VPK you may be right. Let's watch USA's Actions closely.

However it is also a fact the USA is continuing this Carter Policy, maybe it will change, without a doubt they need to be given an opportunity to mend their alliance with iran and while they have failed that test for the past 32 years and Stifled our kings activities, we can put that off on following the british too.

The U.S. are the ones at this point that need to prove they want to mend their alliance with Iran by following the instructions of RPII and giving Irans Opposition a chance to replace the regime before the USA starts any war with Iran.  If they betray that peaceful opportunity too, the situation will be different than what you suggest and they will have shown their hand. 

They now have an opportunity to show they have no mallice to Iran or its opposition groups. There so powerful, its actually us the people of iran who deserve to give them the benefit of the doubt, because taking on that Ape is going to be tough.

Britain vs America

I agree that Britain is ivolved in a systematic work to wreck Iran. But it is not so with the USA. Britain took advantage of America by getting them to oust the Shah. They knew it was not possible with Nixon or Ford.

They waited until they got a moron named Jimmy Carter. An idealist fool who is simple to manipulate for their goals. Nixon would have NEVER betrayed the Shah. But Carter being the idealist took it line hook and sinker.

I warn again not to put Britain and America in the same boat. They are totally different. Britain is a trouble maker in the world. They delight in the misery of other people. America just wants to make money and has no malice towards Iran.

All I know is that I am superior to all other human beings

the rest is totally irrelevant ... :-)

همه اقوام ایرانی ریشه ای مشترک دارند و ایرانیِ نقوی هستند.

Surprise, Surprise BBC & Scientist Misinforming Iranians as per

usual.  The BBC's Dribble on topics of Iranian culture, politics etc is becoming an attack on our history in support of islam more than anything else.  Aryan is not a race, it is a linguistic entity.  And in Irans case it reflects a Iranian Culture as explained in Shahname, a culture which was strongly influenced by Zoroaster.  A culture that pre-islam valued a noble philosophy of life and use of ones conscience above all else.  I guess we should just surrender to their Mullahs and change our Aryan Culture. 

No one can defend the sytematic lies that the west creates as
entertainment against the people of Iran, which it followed up by the
killing of thousands of Iranians through a war they imposed on Iran as
they gave chemical weapons and 24/7 satelite images to Saddam.

And the USA was a society with whom the late shah had the highest level
pact with, their betrayal and propaganda was unforgivable.  It would be
such a historic pity if Iranians choose to become imitators of this
culture of lies, decit, manipulation and coercion, "the republican culture" when we already have a culture of our own that is inferior to none.  

We had to put the Romans in their place when they behaved the same and no doubt we can play a role in putting the West
in its place too (though we may have to stand in a long line). : ) First lets get rid of the filth the west put in power in
1979 and is keeping in power despite knowing their help goes towards executing and torturing our finest //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/william-h... and create a free Iran once again.

Enjoy this music.  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6G9-bx7Kbc

hear, hear

"Aryans were never a race but a Linguistic entity."

Well said DK.

If people would only bother to read and learn.

Maryam 100% right

Yes I have said many times the same thing. It means "Noble". The Kings said they are "Aryan" because they were Noblemen. Obviously, they were not peasants or craftsmen. Are British Nobles a different race: no!

It is just that the ***holes in Germany picked up the name and ruined it. In addition the Swastika is an Ancient Indian symbol. It has nothing to do with hating Jews. The Germans took a dump on that as well. 

The Irony of all this is that ancient names and symbols are ruined. Both Iranian and Indian history was distorted and damaged. Now anyone hearing Aryan or Swastika thinks "Death Camp Nazi". What a shame and not the fault of Iran or India.

Aryan in Persian Means Nobel that

is all not a Race.  Indeed Persians were/Are nobels since their civilization had immense impact on the world.  Cyrous the Great was a Nobel man with his first human right advocate.

yes, Hezbullahis and Araiollahi all descended from same "tokhm"

Brother salman joon is absolutely right. The proof is brother Aryan Ahmadinezhad's love and Admiration of Cyrus's cylinder....

Which reminds me, could brother salman joon write a blog  or two about his favourite sub sect of shiat sect, the  glorious Hojjatieh society?

:) 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Iranian Seyyeds have Aryan roots

Brothers and Sisters

The Iranian Seyyeds come from the line of Yezdegerd the 3rd's daughter, Sharbanoo, who married Imam Hossein (Alaihe Salam) and all the the rest of the Imams and ma'soomin come from that line. So there is Arayn blood in Iranian Seyyeds who are Hosseini. These who are Alavi are of Aryan blood too because the Hashemite form which the Prophet (s) and Imama Ali (a) came were known to be Aryan and that is why they were hated by other Arab tribes.

For an Islamic democracy

Aryan is not a race

Why does this moronic pseudoscientist try to correlate some pathetic haplotype to an "Aryan race" which doesn't exist. This is purely pseudoscience, there is no such thing as an Aryan race, there has never been an Aryan race. The concept was invented by barbarian Europeans whom Iranians (the most self-hating people on the planet) try to attach themselves too due to their incredible inferiority complex.

Indians and Iranians (yes, BROWN PEOPLE), have been using the word for milleniums, before the pathetic barbarian Germans and other "ohhh veee are Germann" morons decided to interlink them.

Get over yourselves, idiots. Our brothers are Indians, Tajiks, Kurds (sadly), Afghans, and other brown people. Take your "veee are vhite" nonsense to Norway and get laughed at.

MRX1

You are right there is a gang who wants to dissolve our identity. When I hear the word "Aryan" I hear "separatist". It is their mark and indisputable proof or their involvement. I respond as before that Iranian is not a race.

The biggest promoters of this are the pan Turkists but they are not the only ones. It behooves us to always remind people Iranians are not racist. We don't give a *** of some cooked up racist garbage meant to divide us.

I am mixed race and proud of it as are 99.99 % of Iranians. Mixed race is good and prevents inbreeding. We are not dogs or horses to be "pure breeds". We are people and humans do better when they get mixed with difference races.

Dariush How do you connect those points?

I do not see how your talk about coin and parsi community in India has to do with my writings?

I can say that Parsis in India are decendants from all over Iran mixed with indian people of the area. They are nowadays more Indian in their looks.

It's another effort

that has been going on for some time now (Follow the big picture) to dislove Iranian identity alltogether and reduce it to a jellow, so when the time comes they can easily split the country into many pieces.

Dear Jason

Shahparast does not mean nejad parast. I recognize the good things Pahlavi did as well as the bad things. I have no use for race. It would take a moron to think Iranians are a single race of any kind or ever were.

Before "Aryans" moved in there were other races the Elamites and so on. These people got intermixed with each other. Why is anyone wasting time on this is beyond me. It is like trying to prove ocean water is "pure" H2O or pure Salt.

Now everyone has to make their favorite jab. The anti-Shah want to stick it to him. Shah was not racist despite his other issues. Please do not try to stick this on him. I do not understand this hatred of Shah among some people.

Bad News for ...

  Shahparast haye nejad paraste Los angelesi!!

shocking!

Iranians are not Aryan??!!

Maziar Ashrafian is either a CIA operative or a British stooge, or a zionist, or an anti-Iranian! Or all the above!

He must be! How dare he!

What are Iranians if their asses arent tied to Iranveij (Airyanem Vaejah)? Ordinary? God forbid!

It doesn't matter

Iranians are mixed with a lot of races and were from early on. The Achaemenid Queen Esther was Jewish. When your king does not value racial purity that means no one does. 

Therefore I suggest people stop wasting time over race. Take one look at this coin: 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MithradatesII.jp...

Does that look "Aryan" to you? That is Mithradades II of Parthian dynasty. Forget the Aryan thing it is just there to divide us into imaginary groups.

I already

expressed some points about "Ayatollah BBS"(befitting term):)  report here;

//iranian.com/main/blog/sadra-10

but whats ironic & baffling about this shady research is the shaikh Dr researcher's massive amount of access to Iranian resources inside Iran with full cooperation of the mullah regime to the most minute details such as ancient dead's DNA samples. Now, all this in a country that a foreigner cant even photograph a donkey without getting sin jins by numerous security channells. It seems omaru cultural agenda has lost it's credibility & steem from their inside actors/researchers and now are sub-contracting projects to Hojjato-alislam British half-brothers  to gain some credibility for their lost cause.

Cheers!!! 

Choghok does your observation apply to discriminated Persians ?

Choghok does your observation apply to discriminated Persians too ? 

Ban on golden coins with engraved Persian design | Iranian.com

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Good research that opens peoples eyes

I think most of people who talk about Persian do not really understand that they are baking several things in together. Persians were "one" of the people that did migrate to Iran some thousands of years a go. People did already live in the area.

Foreign countries calling everyone in the Area for Persian should not make people think that is the case. The Persian empire was not built up by just Persians.

 Also modern day Persian has little to do with the old Persian, it is mostly Parthian actually mixed with Arabic, Turkic and som other languages.

So Khorasan and Afghanistan and parts of central asia was lived by Parthians and western Iran by Medians which in its turn made up by smaller communities, I would guess, Kurds, Lors, Gilakis, Talesh and some other tribes are decendants of Medes. Persians were in the Kerman, Fars and Yaz Area.

Todays Iran is a mixture of all those people. The Aryans plus the turkish and Arab and indogenios people.

I do really hope that Iranians would know our history a bit better and stop talking about Persians all the time without knowing what they talk about.We should know what we are and be proud of that not look at Persepolis and blindly think that we all came from there.

'Aryans' were never a 'Race' but a Linguistic entity Nut heads

HISTORY OF IDEAS: Georges Dumezil, on Indo European languages and Myths (Apostrophes,1984)

Persians - Aryans theory has

Persians - Aryans theory has been around for 1000 years, how can he justify this?
He is the only person that has done this research, Could he be wrong?

More proof and evidence is required to justify his claim/ studies w' all do respect.

مرگ بر پیشرفت علمی‌ !!

روز به روز این پیشرفتهای علمی‌ باعث می‌شه در خیلی‌ از دکون‌ها تخته بشه! دیروز مرکزیت زمین!...امروز نژاد پرستی‌ و برتری قومی!....فردا خدا پرستی‌ و قیامت!!

Bogus

کسی‌ نگفته ایرانیها از قفقاز  به فلات ایران آمده اند. قفقاز پشت کوه قاف است و عبور از آن کار هر کسی‌ نیست. نه‌ اعراب، نه‌ مغول‌ها هیچ کدام دستشان به قفقاز نرسید از بس که کوههای صعب العبور دارد. اقوام هند و اروپایی از طرف شمال غربی وارد ایران شدند. اگر می‌‌خواهید اهالی آسیای مرکزی را برای ژنشان تست کنید، باید بروید سراغ تاجیک‌های شرقی‌ یعنی‌ یغنابی‌ها و سغدی‌ها و پامیری ها، وگرنه بقیه اهالی فعلی آسیای مرکزی، همگی‌ ترکیک هستند و حتا تاجیک‌های تاجیکستان هم بیشتر ترک هستند تا تاجیک. 

where did he publish the

where did he publish the result of his research? In what research publication? 

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

So Iranians are all really...

Persians.  Southwest of Iran is where the Persians eventually established their first territory.