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31-Oct-2011
As I tried to pay close attention to both the gossiping women and the head-strong men arguing about Iranian history and politics, I took a good look around and carefully analyzed the people who filled the host's home with drinks, jokes and roars of laughter. These people had always been my image of the Persian culture and heritage. Thinking further, I had an interesting thought-a question,rather: what makes the Iranian people greatly different and exception in regards to their neighbors? My earliest and most immediate thought was Reza Shah the Great.
The common and numerously repeated modernizing actions of Reza Shah are all well-known and, perhaps, drilled into the heads of Iranians supporting and against the deposed monarchy. Roads, education, railways, security forces, secularism and westernization (if it can even be called that) are all common attributes given to Reza Shah. Although all of these advancements were, in fact, directly related to the reign and new system of Reza Shah, the most important attribute of Reza Shah is never written or mentioned; Reza Shah forcefully opened the minds of the Iranian public to make them see the world from which they had been repressed from for centuries.
As a general statement, the majority of Iranians against the reforms of Reza Shah argue that the fashion in which he implemented reform was brutal and far too strong-handed in nature. Such reforms, in particular, included women's emancipation, the weakening of the clergy, the dispersion of Iranian tribes, education reform and also the anti-communist feeling his government possessed. In Iran's particular circumstance, the majority of these strong-handed reforms are able to be justified when observing objectively.
The women of Iran had been confined to the home for centuries. As sheep and cattle, they were expected to obey their master and be dutiful. The extreme influence of Islam on the Iranian way of life had made Iran appear more as an Arab nation than the great empire of Cyrus the Great. When the veil was banned and women were forced to leave the home without covering themselves, they were forced into a necessary realization and awakening. Advocates of religious freedom see this act of Reza Shah's to have been highly inappropriate and offensive to reverent women of the Muslim faith. Stepping away from the boundaries of political correctness, it can be argued that such an assessment is far from the reality and true purpose that Reza Shah intended. As a father to the nation, Reza Shah had a responsibility to do what was necessary for the nation's progress. Integrating women into society was one such action towards progression. Old habits die hard and Reza Shah was the one who broke them. Iranian women who criticize this action of Reza Shah always seem to forget that it was that very action that has even allowed them to voice their opinions freely as individuals amongst the Iranian community today. As children are forced to go to school at an early age when they have no desire to do so, Reza Shah forced the women of Iran to integrate into society in order to create a better future.
Secularism and the weakening of the clergy as well as education reform all go under the same category. Before the kingship of Reza Shah, the clergy was a powerful entity supported financially by the government and believers. Common customs of the time show us that people's every-day lives were, in some odd way, connected to the clergy. People consulted the clergy regarding financial issues, social issues, blessings and other every-day happenings. Since the public was vastly connected to the clergy by a strong sense of faith, the government controlled the clergy by paying them large sums of money to support and back up the government. In essence, the clergy and the government were directly related. Reza Shah sought to gain the power of the clergy and replace Iranian religiosity with a sense of national pride. For this reason, maktabs,or religious schools, were shut down and modern education became mandatory for all children. Reza Shah wanted to educate the masses and loosen the grip on religious ideology. By forcefully taking the dependence on the clergy of the people away, Reza Shah created a new generation of less religious and innovative citizenry. Universities became accessible to the public and were no longer a luxury of royalty and nobility. Reza Shah's new nation was going to be a red rose amongst the thorny bushes of the Middle East.
Instead of criticizing Reza Shah, we must strive to understand the time in which he ruled, the motives he carried and the vision he saw for Iran. When we think of the banishment of the veil, we must think of the women of today and how greatly it has impacted them. When we think about the radical dismissal of the clergy, we must remember the the independence Iranians gained mentally and financially from an entity that only sought to generate money. When we think of the brutal dispersion of the Iranian tribesmen, we must remember that our boarders are still intact because of Reza Shah's forced assimilation of the tribesmen. As we ponder the injustices of the left wing citizenry of Iran who pledged their allegiance to the USSR, we must remember half of our preserved Azerbaijan and the sliver of the Caspian Sea we can still claim as Iranian waters. History will be kind and just to our King, Reza Shah the Great, who took Iran and created a proud culture, people and nation.
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Siavash
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:10 PM PSTDescribe your expectations and then we will see what is lacking.
I have said variants of it many times but I will give you a summary.
Siavash 300
by BacheShirazi on Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:19 AM PSTplease describe your expectations from him.
I have no expectations from him. All I want is for him to be honest. As I stated before. If he came out right now and said he wants to get out of the Iranian political business altogether, I would respect that 100%. Just like us Iranians don't owe Reza Pahlavi anything for the great work of his grand father, he also does not owe the people of Iran anything.I want to make it clear that I don't think he has any duty to help improve Iran. But I think he is currently being dishonest in portraying himself as a leader of the opposition when in fact he does little to nothing to help further the cause.
Bache shirazi and VPK please draw the guideline
by Siavash300 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:06 AM PSTIt is easy to be critical about everything, but it is more difficult to be constructive and come up with new ideas. Now, since you are critical of crown Reza Pahlavi, please describe your expectations from him. What could he have done that would be make a difference in current situation. For example, if he joined Asharf Camp with automatic weapon in his hands would have proven that he is a good leader or stay in Turkey with group of people attacking to Basij would have maken him better leader? what would have he done would have maken difference in current situation? Describe your expectations and then we will see what is lacking.
Thanks,
Siavash
Getting to point
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Nov 13, 2011 05:14 AM PSTReza Pahlavi is over 50 years old now. He got say 20-30 more years right? It is not like he is immortal and gets to sit the IRI out. Besides even if he was around when IRI goes why should anyone support him? Figure IRI goes by action of protesters supported by whomever they manage to get behind them. I guarantee you they will pick one of themselves to lead. Not go out and beg Reza Pahlavi to return. People who go and risk are the ones who reap the rewards.
Dear Amirparviz you have a romantic notion of Pahlavi. I share some of it but I am a realist. Their time has come and gone. It will take a miracle to bring them back. Reza Pahlavi is no miracle worker. At least not that I have noticed.
I am truly sick of hearing about "us poor Iranians". Big Bad Americans are out to get us. We need to stand up and take out destiny in our hands. Yes there is resistance but minds can be changed. The British will oppose us but USA may be influenced. Specially if we get Israel to back us up. I have made proposals which will do that. I am no big name person but Reza Pahlavi is. He is in a position to round up American support. It is risky and yes may cost him but it is difference of king and man.
Nonsense
by BacheShirazi on Sun Nov 13, 2011 04:18 AM PSTLike I said, his REAL supporters are happy with his cautious approach
and can see the joke behind a Sr Bush on the one hand saying why is he
so disinterested and on the other directly contacting him and telling
him they'll kill him if he even thinks of doing a thing.
What nonsense. Do you have any evidense of this at all?
I think I have given enough of an explanation
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 04:51 PM PSTAs to the Limits placed on him today and his ability to act today. He leads many people who are working to change that and have so far been unsuccessful, if its the results you are unahppy with do something on a political level that will give him the freedom to act and organize otherwise complaints accomplish what? Its blame when you imply he is at fault in a situation he and his team do not have the strength to overcome nor are the cause of.
Which family in recent
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 03:30 PM PSTWhich family in recent Iranian History has been better than the Pahlavi's for Iran, or done more good?
I am not talking about 100 years or 60 years ago. I am talking about today. The deeds of Reza Khan are great and I am very thankful but that is it. They do not give an automatic ticket to Reza Pahlavi. He needs to prove himself and has failed so far.
Maybe he is a king to you. But to me he is just a man who has taken the safest route the whole time. What do I need a king for when he does nothing? I might as well take a picture of Reza Khan and put in on my desk.
It is about as useful as RP.
I want to see Iran prosper so I guess I am not a real Pahlavi
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 02:11 PM PSTSupporter.
Which family in recent Iranian History has been better than the Pahlavi's for Iran, or done more good?
Amirparviz
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:35 AM PSTI have heard your theory enough times I could write a book on it. Did you ever think that minds may be changed? That a Bushes may be hedging their bets. That Islamism is one but not the only option.
Any decent planner has plan "A"; "B" and ... Maybe plan "A" that of Jimmy Carter and his gang was Islamism. But a good leader would have been able to change that. By presenting a better alternative. It has been done many times in the past.
We are not in a static world. In 1953 without a question both Britain and America wanted the Shah over Islamism: what changed? In 1979 Carter wanted Islamism over Shah. This is not 1979. Things change and we have the ability to influence it. We may just sit back and say "well they made up their minds". Or we may offer ideas that will change minds. I am for the latter and believe we may change minds. One thing for sure is that nothing remains constant. As for Reza Pahlavi I am a supporter of Iran not Pahlavi. If it takes a sacrifice by Reza Pahlavi to help Iran he should do it. I am not out to save the Pahlavi. I want to see Iran prosper so I guess I am not a real Pahlavi supporter.
Bush's have never been for backing Reza Pahlavi
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:48 AM PSTThat's your first mistake. Their Goal has been to keep Islam in power and play deception that its not their policy.
In the scheme of things Bushes are nobodies, figureheads with as much power as Obama. Don't be upset with your dad for not having the wisdom to answer Bush when he had the chance or the information to know what the Real US policy is for Iran and how the politicians jobs it is to deceive iranians, like your father.
Like I said, his REAL supporters are happy with his cautious approach and can see the joke behind a Sr Bush on the one hand saying why is he so disinterested and on the other directly contacting him and telling him they'll kill him if he even thinks of doing a thing. The less blind supporters the shah has the better. He's guaranteed to get nowhere with people like that. Risking when it is time (when he is not threatened of being killed by the US/UK) has Nothing to do with what is going on in Iran.
Amirparvis
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:20 AM PSTFouladvand did something very hot headed. That is not what I advocate. Reza Pahlavi should have been building support for the past 32 years. My father is knows Bush senior.
When Bush senior was president he was serious on backing Reza Pahlavi. He asked my father why is Reza so uninterested in doing anything. My father a staunch Monarchist at the time was not able to respond.
By the way my father is still alive but no longer a Monarchist. He gave up on Pahlavi long ago because of his "do nothing" attitude. Reza Pahlavi will be irrelevant real soon if he does not get his act together. Now you interpret it as you want.
Regarding Farah
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:12 AM PSTOne of the worst things she did was "Jashne Honar". That was an insult to the whole Iranian culture. In addition she get Shah to appoint people like Shariati to university positions. Give the Mullahs a platform and power.
Farah had not political savvy and should have kept out of it. Because her instincts were all wrong. A perfectly fine Queen but should have been kept out of power. Her influence only got people angry and strengthened Islamists.
0% chance of success implies there is nothing he can do
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:22 AM PSTto alter the views and aims of the govts against iran. See my post on what directions they want to go below, there is only room for them to kill him if he does a thing. So convinced he has a chance, be like fouladvand and do something and see where it gets you. His REAL supporters want to see him PLAY TO WIN, not FIGHT to Lose.
Pahlavi's will be the first to fight, when their is no gun pointed against their head and they have a chance. In the meanwhile Iranians should reflect on what they have done by being such fickle people towards a king that gave them so much of himself and think more about their predicament and who is to blame, Pahlavi's or USA/UK/Iranians?
Amirparviz
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:06 AM PSTA living king doing nothing is better than a dead king trying to do something on a path he has 0% CHANCE OF SUCCESS.
Reza Pahlavi is NOT a King because he has no kingdom. Yes it takes RISK and he is not up to it. I am getting increasingly sick of this "British; German; Americans ..." business. A wise prince would have gathered support. Yes from Americans and British and others. But RP does nothing and is NO King. He is at best a crown prince. With no will to go for the challenge. You do not just sit on your bottom and wait to be crowned. You work for as Ferydoon did in Shahnameh.
As you know Iranians have not had an unbroken line of Kings. We get dynasties come and go all the time. Reza Pahlavi better fight for his throne or be nothing. He got one last chance to restor Pahlavi and that is now. If not bye to his dynasty.
The direction things are going right now
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:06 AM PSTUSA/UK are united on keeping mullahs in power, they want Saudi's and other Gulf Arab states they control to do the bombings against IRI. They are going to provide them with planes and bunker buster bombs, the price of oil will sky rocket and since its traded in dollars the US dollar will benefit from high oil prices, selling weapons and keeping islam in power for Iran. The people of Iran can't remove a regime under those circumstances and the shah will be dead if he were to oppose the USA/UK. China/Germany/Japan will be troubled but they can't do a thing. Russia will benefit. The back up plan is MEK if this one is not implementable.
Critics of RP should worry less about him not being able to do anything and focus their attention on those that betrayed him, his father and Iran, by bringing the mullahs to power. They should compare the Shahs time with IRI and proclaim their fickleness and disingenuous pro-democracy aspirations was a mistake.
Meaning of, If he gets a chance explained
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 09:22 AM PSTIf He has the order of being killed/executed removed from his head if he were to act. That would give him a chance to act.
If the people in Iran organize and rally in the name of RPII under the circumstances, for certain 100% he will not make it to Iran Alive. Everything Changes with time and no one can even see where we will be in 5 years time, so far Iran hasn't had a single development in its favor due to cooperation among world powers on Iran. The cooperation that has been harming Iran is in the process of changing and when the USA can no longer maintain its own policy as long as the change they do is not the one the brits recommed with the MEK, RP II will have a chance and has everything he needs within Iran to succeed.
If the people remove the regime, they will get another group of akhunds, freedom and democracy is not the goal of the west for Iran.
A living king doing nothing is better than a dead king trying to do something on a path he has 0% CHANCE OF SUCCESS.
His "REAL" Supporters
by BacheShirazi on Sat Nov 12, 2011 09:02 AM PSTHis "REAL" Supporters encourage him to sit back, and don't bother answering Divaneha.
Well thanks to his policy of sitting back and doing nothing, his real supporters are an extremly small minortity of the Iranian population. This is because:
1) He is not man enough to stand up and take advantage of an increasingly unpopular regime.
2) He has no charisma, he absoloutly fails in gathering a crowd. This is not a man who is going to be giving any great memorable speeches that will be remembered for generations to come.
I think it's apparent that Reza Pahlavi has no real interest in Iran, and only keeps paying lip service because of his position as the eldest son of the Shah. I would completly respect him if he just came out and told everyone that he wants to get out of the Iran business (that he is barely involved in anyway) completly and focus the rest of his days on his family life.Instead he is content with stringing along die hard monarchists like you who defend his every action and edit his wikipedia page to call him Prince CYRUS Reza Pahlavi. =/
Face it, when Iran does become democratic it will not have anything to do with Reza Pahlavi. And the Iranian people certainly wont ask for him to come back to his fathers throne after the regime falls.
If he gets a chance, he will act
Could you explain what you would qualify as a chance? The regime is already unpopular, this is his chance. Even though I personally think he might have done too much damage to him self by living in irrelevence for so long that it may already be too late for him, but I may be wrong. So what is more of a chance than this? Does he need the Iranian people to destroy the regime and then bring him to the throne for no reason?
interesting read on china
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Nov 12, 2011 08:34 AM PSTAnd on Friday the General Administration of Press and Publications,
the government department which regulates the print media, published new
rules that ban news media from reporting any information on the
internet unless it can be verified.
"Unverified reports are on an upward trend, and to a certain
extent that has undermined the government's image, disrupted the
information order, reduced the credibility of the media and brought a
strong social response," the agency said.
Those new rules are designed to counter what officials say is the spread of "rumours" that can harm social stability.
That, of course, is a genuine concern for many governments.
from //www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15694101
The Problem for Iranians is most of the harm done & Revolution was based on opinon & gossip, not real information.
Supporters of RP are aware he is in no position to speak his mind, they know he gets coached to not say what he is not supposed to, they know that he is contacted by the secret service of the country he lives in, they know his life is not just under risk if he does anything but under certain 100% threat from his contacts with the secret service n the country he lives, for them he is relevant as long as he is alive and they respect him for doing nothing while the enemies of iran are united among themselves. In time that may or may not change, that affects his ability to respond. If he gets a chance, he will act, while he has no hope or chance no fair minded supporter of his wants him to do a thing or has any illusions that Monarchy is about to get restored under these unfavorable circumstances.
Remember this guy //www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e1LvM9zD3A
he was called in to a UK police station and questioned and kept for several days a few months later he disappeared from the face of the earth and we are told it was the IRI. How do we know? More Likely it was the powers keeping IRI in power, who brought him to a police station and tried to force him to shut up, which he didn't do. No one I know that supports RP would ever say nonsense like "If we go get a Monarchy it will be going to a person who did something. Not one who spent his life in the West giving a speech once in a while." His "REAL" Supporters encourage him to sit back, and don't bother answering Divaneha.
Veiled prophet of Khorasan
by BacheShirazi on Sat Nov 12, 2011 07:21 AM PSTI completly agree.Also, I asked you how Farah Pahlavi was promoting idiocy all over Iran, I guess you didn't see my post. Could you answer it please? I am interested
Reza Pahlavi
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 06:11 AM PSTIs NOT banned from speaking in the traditional way. He may go on TV right now and say what he wants. The danger is that he might be assassinated or otherwise put away. Therefore his choice is to do nothing or risk.
Thus far he chose "do nothing". He has become irrelevant. He is around 50 now and has done nothing. There are no guarantees in the world. If you want greatness you need to risk. Reza Pahlavi is not taking any risks so will not get anywhere.
Anyone who thinks Iranians will overthrow IRI and crown Reza Pahlavi is dreaming. If we go get a Monarchy it will be going to a person who did something. Not one who spent his life in the West giving a speech once in a while.
ok
by BacheShirazi on Sat Nov 12, 2011 05:29 AM PSTWhat in my post is nonsense? Please show me some proof that Reza Pahlavi is currently banned from making speeches
Your Post is full of so much nonsense, he was stopped from
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:13 PM PSTspeaking on that very same trip on its next leg in Germany.
Instead of responding overall it's better to just keep quiet. Beh Divaneha Javab Dadan Agelaneh Nist.
Once again, you don't answer my post.
by BacheShirazi on Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:04 AM PST1) Your lack of understanding, from not reading shahnameh (the more important issue)
Ok, tell me what in my post is going against the shahname. You have consistently failed to make this clear even though I have asked you to provide some evidence for what you are saying.
He came to London 15 years ago to give a speech, 10,000 people came to
see him he has not been allowed to give another speech again.
First of all please link me to the speech you are referring to, thanks.
he has not been allowed to give another speech again.
What a joke. He has not been allowed to give another speech? The western governments are stopping Reza Pahlavi from giving speeches? Is this a joke? Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? You act like the man is confined to his house with two armed guard standing at the door preventing his escape. No body is stopping him from giving speeches.
//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/william-h...
On who helped the Regime Torture and then execute pro democracy
protestors in Iran. RP doesn't stand a chance for now, so god bless him
for using his forsight to do what he can under the circumstances.
What about the fact that the CIA helped the Shah's regime torture?
RP doesn't stand a chance for now, so god bless him for using his forsight to do what he can under the circumstances.
Reza Pahlavi doesn't stand a chance? The regime is at its lowest in popularity. Where do you get this stuff from. Maybe he would have a chance if he actually did anything. God bless Reza Pahlavi for being the son of a king, that is basically what you are saying. He has done nothing to earn him this worship that some people give him. Even if this group of people is extremly small, which is the case due to him being incompetent.
He needs to stay alive, do what ever is necessary to not be killed
Reza Pahlavi's life is in no danger. His death would have a more negative impact for the Islamic republic than him continuing to live in irelevence in U.S.
I will add
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:33 AM PSTThat it does not matter what any nations wants but America. England; France; Germany; Russia and China do not matter alone. The way things work is they convince America then it gets done.
For example the 1953 coup was originally proposed to Truman. He said no and nothing happened. Then the British propose it again to Ike who said yes and it happened. If Nixon or Ford were in power Shah would not have been replaced.
The thing we as Iranian Americans get to do is to influence America. Or at least keep the influence of Europe in check. The main nation that wants IRI gone is Israel. The EU want it to remain. Israel may actually be the only ally we got!
Bache Shirazi... there are 2 seperate points here
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:14 AM PST1) Your lack of understanding, from not reading shahnameh (the more important issue)
2) Your Lack of Information on Reza II. (Important, but not as important as #1)
The USA/UK/France/Germany want Islam in Power for Iran. Any leader that goes against that has been Killed. The Father in Egypt. The 2nd Son in USA. RP has no right to risk his life in a meaningless/hopeless push for change in which he will be killed and nothing accomplished. He came to London 15 years ago to give a speech, 10,000 people came to see him, he has not been allowed to give another speech again. He needs to stay alive, do what ever is necessary to not be killed (like being disinterested), so Iran can one day if circumstances change can have a King. You are free to criticize, yet you have no information on what you are talking about and if you did you have no better solution.
//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/william-h... On who helped the Regime Torture and then execute pro democracy protestors in Iran. RP doesn't stand a chance for now, so god bless him for using his forsight to do what he can under the circumstances.
Veiled prophet of Khorasan
by BacheShirazi on Fri Nov 11, 2011 09:51 AM PSTI suspect Farah had a lot to do with it as with promoting idiocy all over Iran.
I am interested, how was Farah responsible for promoting idiocy all over Iran?
Reza pahlavi
by BacheShirazi on Fri Nov 11, 2011 09:47 AM PSTStop dodging my actual post and replying with nonsense. Why don't you prove me wrong about Reza Pahlavi?
> Shir/khorshid with taj you have on your icon. These all point to a Heritage and a Culture that created Unity, Prosperity, Harmony, Democracy, Freedom,
Well I only picked this Shir o Khorshid because it is the only high quality version I could find and I like the way the Lion looks in this one in contrast to some of the others in which the Lion looks as if it was drawn my a handicapped mullah. Monarchy is flawed because it will always inevitably lead to a king who is incompetent. We went from Cyrus the great to Darius the third who was easily beaten by Alexander the great. We had Sassanid kings like Shapur l who made the Roman emperor bow before him, and we had Yazdegerd, a man who ran from city to city in the Arab invasions and never attempted to make a stand. And now we had Reza shah the great, a man who took a nation out of the dark ages, and we have the current Reza Pahlavi, a man who at the very most will give an interview to the BBC once every year, at the minimum talk to some obscure Persian radio or satellite channel that 7 die hard monarchists listen to, and in some cases you just wont hear from him for months. I repeat my statements once more, and if you have a problem with them then reply to my actual statements. Reza Pahlavi is a man who has NEVER attempted to start an anti regime movement in Iran and most likely never will. It should not be the Iranians people job to carry him on a golden throne back to Tehran. Nor will the Iranian people ever take up such a task with him sitting around doing nothing but occasionally talking to obscure Persian satellite channels. We owe Reza Pahlavi nothing. If the Shahname is against me criticising a former crown prince, please show me that line. Otherwise why you should argue against my actual points instead of telling me to go read the Shahname. Unless you can’t argue with my actual points which is the whole reason you ignore my posts.
Shahnameh
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Nov 11, 2011 09:40 AM PSTImportance of Shahnameh is impossible to overstate. It is the most important Iranian book. Shahnameh was meant to preserve both our language and identity. Result was an absolute success just as Ferdowsi predicted.
If people want to understand Iran; our history and myth Shahnameh is vital. You do not need to read it back to back. However it does explain the place of Monarchy. How divine right to rule of "Farr" is imparted to a king and taken from them.
It gives you the explanation of why hereditary rule is not as important. Rather being just and wisdom it what matters. It also puts in perspective "Greater Iran" and various people making it.
Shiraz is a mythically important Iranian City, as is the flag &
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Fri Nov 11, 2011 09:35 AM PSTShir/khorshid with taj you have on your icon. These all point to a Heritage and a Culture that worked hard to create peace above ALL & created Unity, Prosperity, Harmony, Democracy (not in modern sense), Freedom, Justice and so many other things pre-islam. The Shahname is like the software one needs to be understanding of what it means to be Iranian and operate as a tolerant peaceful iranian. Lacking this understanding ones views and therefore comments are going to be without an essential element, anyone that has read the Shahname will easily be able to see this lack of being understanding in anothers comments.
Here is a Translated Verson for You. //www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/Farr/iranhist...
Not having this sofware is the same as having a virus delete it.
Yeah Ok, I have not read nor
by BacheShirazi on Fri Nov 11, 2011 08:45 AM PSTYeah Ok, I have not read nor did I ever claim to have read the Shahname. Please explain how this in any way makes my comments on Reza Pahlavi have less value.