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Promoting arab culture

"Name me one example that I “promoted Arab culture”???" Iran2050

Hind-e-Jegar khar (liver eater)  cut the Hamzeh stomach and ate his liver as he was dying in battle field.

Parvaneh Forouhar's breast chopped off with dagger in front of her husband eyes as he was dying of 27 dagger stabs in their Tehran resident.

Both of these savage acts have one thing in common. They both inspired of brutal idea of nomadic tribe of arabs 1400 years ago. 

Parvaneh is an echo of arab idealogy in our modern world.

How could possibly any rational, unbias person claim Greek's sofisticated culture and rich history is equal to Arabs. ? No comparison. To look at these 2 cultures equally is demoting to Greek and promoting arabs.

Without Omar as a General commander and Khadejeh's wealth the idea of Arabs would have been limited to Arabian peninsula. Persians never forget  nor did they forgive Omar for their defeat from Arabs. Persians celeberating each year on certain day killing Omar since then. In that, they make a dummy of Omar and burn it in effigy. Eid-e- Omar koshan. They chant as follow:

VPK: it has worked. You were

VPK: it has worked. You were not around when it was really bad.

Ali Mostofi

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Ali

As one of the oldest members it is my duty to keep you all quiet.

You may try but it is not going to work.

VPK: Arthur Upman Pope,

VPK: Arthur Upman Pope, Ghirshman. These people's enthusiam and love for Iran is over and above most Iranians. It therefore has nothing to do with your birth. Similarly an Iranian wrote the first Arabic Disctionary. So let's not generalize. When talking politics stick with political concepts. Culture has nothing to do with politics. It is wrong for politicians to use culture in their political agenda, just as it is wrong to mix religion with politics. So these recent comments and finger pointing shows how bad it gets..

Ali Mostofi

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VPK: Maturity I think this

VPK: Maturity

I think this is not the time to have petty arguments. As one of the oldest members it is my duty to keep you all quiet. You should be all setting the standard for unity and harmony. Ajaba!

Ali Mostofi

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Re: Sir Henry Rawlinson

There is also a very great American who fits the bill Professor Richard Frye. He is more Iranian than many.

Dear Alimostofi

I respect you but do not take orders :-) One thing I generalize about Iranians is we LOVE to argue. They say if we have no one to argue we put a mirror in front and argue with ourselves. Why: because it is fun to argue!

VPK: An Englishman was more

VPK: An Englishman was more Iranian than most Iranians. His name was Sir Henry Rawlinson. We also have Iranians that are more English than the English. There are more important concepts that we all have in common that we should be talking about.

Ali Mostofi

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Progressives

It is not up to me or you or anyone to define it. They are a diverse group. It will be silly to try doing it.

About promoting

various kinds of culture on IC or on other places. I find many cultures beautiful. For example Native American; Italian; Mexican; Indian; Ethiopian; New Orleans. But I don't think they belong on IC.

I have no problems with them at all. But they are in no way Iranian. I love going to those nations to enjoy their culture. We have Iranian cultural events in USA and all are welcome. What is the problem. 

Regarding racism it means putting one race above others. Racists by nature go for "racial purity". Iranians have never been into that right from Khashayar Shah on! Please read my blogs to get a better idea what I think.

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Iran 2050: can you please

Iran 2050: can you please define progessives and nationalism?

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VPK,   Progressives

VPK,

Progressives deplore nationalism as long as it’s an ideology, or more importantly state ideology, as long it means love of thy country, they have absolutely no problem with it. Nationalism, as an ideology not as love of one’s country, leads to ultra nationalism, and that’s when it becomes destructive. History has proven that.

So you can add to that list that Progressives hate Natioanlism as well, as long as it’s anything besides love of thy country. As I’ve said before, if you don’t have feelings for the place you were born and raised in and consider home, there is something wrong there. So it is absolutely normal and respected and needed for one to love his/her country.

Siavash3000,   I

Siavash3000,

I don’t believe that “promoting” Arab culture, which is as beautiful and respected as any other culture in this world as it is part of the world culture, is a crime, but you accusing me on “promoting Arab culture on this site” is simply stupid and a weak and failed attempt of personal attack to try to discredit me. Name me one example that I “promoted Arab culture”??? Just one! Did I promote Arab music? Did I promote Arab food? Did I promote Arab art?? Just because I said many Iranians need to stop being racist and stop belittling others, including Arabs, that makes me “promoting Arab culture”????????? It’s not your accusation that makes me irritated, but it’s the fact that there are people out there who lack the smallest sense of decency. That’s what irritates me.

 Your other claim that “but this is not the way any Iranian talk” also illustrates your lack of empirical thinking. How does an Iranian supposed to talk? Like a thug? Like a “laat”? With “dahan goshadi”? with disrespecting others? That’s how an Iranian talks? You definitely do not belong to those Iranians who want , and some of them will be able to, build a prosperous and democratic Iran. Your “bully wanna be” attitude belongs to those groups of Iranians who have institutionized tyranny and backward mentality in Iran.  The fact of the matters is that people with your mentality are the single biggest obstacle in building a modern and democratic Iran. You guys come in all forms, hezbollahi, shahanshahi, toodeh, all forms…it’s not single to one ideology. As long as there are intolerant, disrespectful, thug-wanna-be people like you in Iran, we will never achieve a bright future. Never.

You all love Iran. Stop

You all love Iran. Stop arguing.

Ali Mostofi

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Nationalism

There are several groups who dislike nationalism:

• Islamists: they want a recreation of the Islamic state. Nationalism goes against it. Therefore they dislike nationalism. Except Islamic "nationalism" where all Muslims are one nation. 
• Marxists: they want a world Marxist government. Where we are all one big workers paradise. They tried it with the Soviet block. The result backfired big time. Now the former Soviet block nations are more nationalistic than before.
• Separatists: wanting to break Iran into little bits they fear nationalism. Because it is the glue that keeps us together. Therefore they attack it all the time.

There may be others but the above are the big ones. I admit to be an ultra nationalist. I am so and proud of it. Nothing to do with race or religion. I want all Iranians to unite in one nation as has United States and China. A big nation is safe from attack.

When Nationalism become something bad?

"I don’t believe in ultra nationalism that has destroyed Iran (along with ultra Shietism), and I don’t believe in some of these “baastani” fairytales" Iran2050

You are way out of track my friend. I always wonder why you're promoting arab culture on this site. In fact, utra nationalism did NOT destroyed Iran, it saved it from the bloody hands of arabs during 80's when those bastards invaded Iran. Shah and his nationalism legacy as: cho iran nabashad, ta-e-man mabad saved Iran. God bless shah's soul and his nationalism idea among army officers. I don't know your nationality, but this is not the way any Iranian talk. We had another guy who pretened to be Iranian and after 2 or 3 months I found out the guy was Pakistani. His user name was Sargoord Pirooz. He couldn't even speak Farsi. 

Pretending to be Iranian and attacking to our culture and our history happens very often in you tube. There was a guy who was saying Ahmadi Negad should be president of the world. He got in big argue with another guy who was decent Iranian. I click on the person's name and all sudden I saw many mullahs with turban in his site with arabic writing. Most likely he belonged to one of those military group in southern Lebanon. Iranians love their Norooz and they culture. No need to even mention that. you probably need to read more of Khalid ib Walid and Umar ibn vagas and familiaized yourself with our great padeshahi history. 

Sincerely,

Siavash  

VPK, Iranians never had

VPK,

Iranians never had control of their destiny with the exception of couple of years under Mossadegh, and that wasn’t even full control, and that lack of control which was, and still is, because of the tyrannical socio political structure of Iranian society, under some of the kings that unfortunately many seem to adore like Kouroush and Reza Shah and Khomeini (The shite equivalent of them) is the root cause for many of the negative traits among Iranians. Society has made us what we are.

I actually think we need to magnify the negatives so that we insure they are identified and resolved. We shouldn’t magnify the positives, too much at least, because they would give us a sense of false comfort. Sure, be proud of Iran’s accomplishment, at a certain time, we had under the sunni rule of Khajeh Nezam ol Molk, some of the most advance educational system around. We were after science, at times,,,,all those are positive, and be proud of them, but don’t say (I’m not saying you say that) that I’m proud because Nader Shah attacked and invaded India for no other reason than power, and because he expanded Iran’s territory, I’m proud of him. A modern thinking 21s century individual shouldn’t be proud of those things.

All I can say is we need to learn from the progressive movements in USA and Europe. Look at the movement here in the U.S, they have been the force behind most if not all the positive changes this country went through in its history; the women rights movement, the civil rights, the pro choice movement, the anti war, the occupy wall street movement,,,all have been initiated by the progressives. Now of course you will find your typical hippy or communist or anarchist within those movements too, but they are minority. And what’s incredible about the progressive movement is how they seem to many to be “negative” and only magnify the negative things about America. Well, that’s the best way to approach if you truly want to make things better. These people are the ones who truly care about America and want to make it better. Did they initiate the women rights movement to strengthen or weaken America? To strengthen it of course. Sean hannity talks about America a thousand times in a sentence, but does what he says truly benefiting America? Think about that.

I know this would be a huge change for many Iranians because of how much we have indoctrinated by family and society the past few decades, but we need to keep our sanity in check.  

Fine thanks

for the explanation but it is not just me. Most Iranians have no power over "Iranian" policy. For the past several hundred years most of the power was not in hands in Iranians. It was in hand of Russia and England. 

The Kings were just play things who did what they got told. The few times Iranians did get power it was not that bad. The Iranians saved many Armenians from death at the hands of Turks. Something that Armenians recognize to this day.

I am all for recognition of our faults as long as it is not one sided. We should also recognize what Iran did right. Things must be fair or they get you resentment instead. Just listing what you don't like will not get your intended results.

VPK,   And who said

VPK,

And who said anything that makes you feel my postings are referring to you from the beginning? It was you who took the things as I said personally and for some odd reason thought they were towards you. I never mentioned you or anyone by name.  

Did I ever say that my criticism is addressed to the entire Iranian population? Of course not! Who would say that? Do I think 100% of us have those negative tendencies that I mention? Of course not!

When I say “many Iranians” or “some Iranians” I’m obviously referring to a portion of the population. If you feel like you do not fall into that category or portion, no need to be offended and my suggestion is let those who do fall defend themselves.

At the end of the day, these are all constructive criticisms. I never mentioned that Iranians are incapable of making things better because of some “genetic code” that causes them to be unable to do so. These are social traits, they come and go based on societal, economical, political and cultural factors and conditions, and that’s true for all nations around the world. Once those factors and conditions change, people change as well. So we have a chance for a better future Iran. No questions there.

When I say “many Iranians think their culture is superior to others”, that’s because they have taught to think like that, at home, at school and in society. It’s not genetic. With the overhaul and modernization of our laws, educational system and cultural environment, that all can be changed. Let’s keep things in prospective.

We are in DYER, and I mean severe DYER, need of modernization of how we think and do things. I mean DYER need. All of us, many anti IRI, many pro IRI, it really doesn’t matter, a significant portion of our population needs DYER and FUNDAMENTAL change in our outlook on life, society, ourselves and how we do things from the basics. The old traditional way of thinking has done enough damage to Iran and to tohers. It needs to change, starting NOW.

2050

If you want a civil discussion fine. But let me tell you that I have very little power. It is not up to me to make Iran imperialist or not. I am a very ordinary person. I have no interest in "Aryan" or race honest to God! 

I work for a living around 10 hours a day 6 days a week. I do not think I am better than anyone. Other than I have a skill in a particular field of engineering and am good at it. That does not make me better than others just good at a few things.

So if you want to make a case you need to make it to someone with power. Not to me. It is like asking me to stop a war: I have no power one way or another :-)  Now I suggest you make your case to people in charge of power and nations not me.

VPK,   Remember

VPK,

Remember you’re the one who started insulting. I have a flawless memory. You’re the one who started calling me un-Iranian and Iran heter. You need to fix yourself before preaching others. You wanna have a civilized dialogue, let’s go, you wanna do it the other way, we can do that too.

As far as your weak argument, as I’ve said numerous times to you even, there is a huge difference between love of thy country and nationalism as an ideology. Nationalism as an ideology leads to ultra nationalism and from there to Fascism. Just read history. That’s what happens.

It is abnormal not to love the place you were born and raised and spent time in. your memories, the people you grew up with, the streets, the mountains, the rivers, all of those, becomes precious and valuable to you and it becomes part of who you are and thus you would fall in love with it, defend it and do whatever it takes to make it better. That is what I feel about Iran. I don’t feel we are better people because I feel all humans are equal, all cultures are respected and great and everyone needs to be respected. Because I love Iran so much, I see the flaws in it so I can fix it. If you don’t see any flaws in Iran and say you are “better” than others, you are doing a huge disservice to Iran. Get that through your head.

We, as civilization, had and have imperialistic tendencies. That translated, at times, to racist and religious Fascism and Iran has suffered greatly because of it. Even IRI is an imperialistic government because after all, they are Iranians. If we want a better Iran, we need to NOT be imperialistic. That’s all.

I honestly hope that despite what you answer me, you understand what I’m trying to say here. It’s only good for Iran’s future.

How can we get the “Aryan

How can we get the “Aryan thing” out of our ears when the first thing that comes out of the mouth of many Iranians is “I’m Aryan, thus I’m better than everyone else on this planet!”? Even the crossword puzzles in Iran, even these days during the reign of so called “Islamist” (I don’t consider them Islamist, I consider them shite nutjobs), even in them you can see ultra nationalism. I was solving one the other day and it said “Nezhad Barter”…4 letters…guess what that is…ARYA!

If you think extremist nationalism is not an issue and not a threat to establishing a democratic Iran, you must check yourself.

As far as Reza Shah goes, many other tyrants build infrastructure too. Hitler build a strong Germany out of rubles, Communist USSR send first man out of space, heck, Ghaddafi who was killed today was involved in building a huge water transfer project from the dessert to Libyan cities, and he was also “non religious” like Reza Shah…so does that mean they have the right to be tyrant and murderers???  Who gave right to Reza Shah to take Hijab out of Iranian women heads by force? Who? Ahoora Mazda???? If that’s the case, Khomeini had all the right too to force hijab back. Obviously none of them had the right. But people like you give those people right to do whatever in the name of ultra nationalism or ultra religiousness.

It is because of people like you who think we the people of Iran owe our kings and not the other way around that we can never progress. You are the cause for Iran’s backwardness.

Reza Shah

A person not able to tell difference of Reza Shah and Khomeini is not worth speaking to. How *** do you have to be not to see the difference. A modernizing patriot vs a backwards idiot. 

Talk of being ungrateful; no wonder we are so in this mess. There is an Iran hating gang on IC who never stop twisting reality. They have the agenda of breaking our will be breaking our self respect.

I agree COP

The only ones who keep saying "Aryan" are either separatists or Iran haters. Why is it that whenever we get an Iran hater they start with "Aryan". None of the Iranians ever talk about it. But Savalan and 2050 are obsessed with it.

Yes there are some sites on the internet which talk about it. But they aren't Iranian sites and don't even accept Iranians as "one of them". I have said many times Iran is a nationality not a race. The racial thing was made up by Hitler to rile up Germans.

Now 2050 say we should give up NowRuz; give up our language. And harps on some non existent race which may have never existed. All it meant was "Noble" which may have just meant "nobility". Darius was a "nobleman" obviously because he was king! 

2050

Keep the insults to yourself. It just shows how devoid of reason you are. When out of reason use insults. But I will use reason to prove you wrong.

If we have your way the world becomes one gray mass of nothing. No nationality no festivals nothing. One big Politically Correct mass. Why bother living if you want to deny all that makes people what they are? Are you opposed to birthdays also!

When I moved to the USA. one of the first things I did was to know the customs. Go to thanksgiving. Learn about 4th of July and why it matters. Christmas is different because it is religious. Nowruz is no longer religious and is deeply a part of being Iranian. In fact more than anything else NowRuz defines Iranian culture. One reason why Mollahs who opposed it are NOT Iranian. It takes more than a passport to be either Iranian or American. You go your PC way and I go mine; alright?

It is you who gets on your high horse and calls others names. You are the intolerant one not me. I do not go around calling others fascist or racist you do. I think your are projecting your hate onto others. 

I don't really believe you are Iranian. Maybe I am wrong and you are Iranian. If so then you are so browbeaten to be ashamed of your heritage. 

I honor both my Iranian heritage and that of America. When America was so kind to let me in I respond by respect. That means 4th of July and Thanksgiving. 

Non-intellectual tendencies?

You people need to take this aryan thing out of your ears. No one has said anything about aryan race. Reza shah was a patriot because he did more for Iran than a lot of the so called leaders combined before him. He built roads, bridges, universities and schools for the ignorant religious morons to  allow them to take their religious heads out of their asses. He tried to liberate the opressed women who for centuries were cloaked in the opressive islamic chastity attire so the good muslim men in the streets wouldn't get a hard on when they saw them. He may have been too harsh in his approach, but had the balls to do what he did.

You know what I want?

A secular democtartic republic. Is there going to be one in Iran soon? HELL NO! Because of people like you who really don't know what they want.

enough of this shit, now I'm pissed.

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Whats "GOOD" is a

Whats "GOOD" is a democratic, secular, non religious, non ultra nationalist, elected government. Thats whats "GOOD"! Not someone who thinks he is on a historical mission on behalf of the Aryan race or the other one who thinks he represents Mohammad and God on earth.

The ones who dont see that Reza Shah and Khomeini are both product of an ill society (Not just the political system) that needs reform BADLY, and they are both sides of the same TYRANNY coin, are displaying non-intellectual tendencies.

VPK, You said : "If you

VPK,

You said : "If you don't celebrate Thanksgiving and 4th of July you are no American. You bet"

OK David Duke/Sean Hannity!!!!

One more bit

After I become the new King of Iran I will require "Pledge of Allegiance". It will go like this "I pledge allegiance to Greater Iran and to the monarchy for which it stands. One nation with all its provinces; indivisible with NowRuz and chelo kabab and mahi doodi".

The left wingers are so out to lunch don't know the difference of Shah and Mollah. More I read of them the sicker I get.

Comparing the anti Iran

khomeini and Reza Shah who was a patriot is a blatent attempt to further your leftist tendencies. Mullahs are bad, Reza Shah was bad - WTF is good?

How long are we Iranians going to look for the perfect regime?

I am not a monrachist, but Reza Shah's dirty underware is more precious than the entire belief system and worth of every single piece of shit akhoond that ever polluted the earth by walking on it.

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