BBC: US Attorney General Eric Holder says the alleged conspiracy was "conceived, sponsored and directed from Iran" The US says it has broken up a major terror plot in which agents linked to Iran sought to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington. Two men originally from Iran - one a naturalised US citizen - have been charged with counts of conspiracy, Attorney General Eric Holder said. Mr Holder described the $1.5m assassination plot as being "conceived, sponsored and directed by Iran", and said Tehran would be held accountable for its alleged involvement. Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency called the charges a "propaganda campaign" by the US government against Tehran >>>
Iran rejects accusation:
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All I can say the chickens
by Iran 2050 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:42 AM PDTAll I can say the chickens are finally have come home to roost!
For 30 years, the IRI regime, and many Iranians, shockingly denied that IRI, which is the single biggest spreader of terrorism and fundamentalism in the world, does any act of terrorism, and if a few single groups or individuals from Islamic nations did acts of terrorism, IRI and its supporters, will blame it on their U.S-friendly governments and their “fundamentalist nature and inferior non-Iranian culture”, where as no one has ever committed so much crimes like IRI has.
If this was done by Iraq or some other Islamic-Arabic nation, U.S would’ve bombed the hell out of it and turned it into a parking lot by now, however, Iran has murdered more Americans the last 30 years and committed more terrorism, by far, than any other government or group, and everyone is dead silent about it.
I guess everyone is mesmerized by the Iranian-sponsored propaganda machine that “Iranians have superior culture and are peaceful people and nation and government and cannot ever commit any wrong doing”!!! I guess people in high ranking places in U.S and European governments actually bought into this propaganda!!!
So sad!
Dear SK
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:41 AM PDTI get NewsMax reports on a regular basis. It is a far right organization with articles like this:
I get it so as to know how crazy the far right in USA is: very much!
I dare say
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:33 AM PDTNo group of people is majority engineers or doctors. Other than of course IEEE members.
However Iranian Americans are on the average more educated than most others. That is a fact. PAAIA does its homework. They base things on meticulous studies. Yes I know I am not supposed to say anything good about Iranians. But the facts speak for themselves. We keep being told that we need to "accept responsibility". Fine I accept that as a teenager I did not oppose the revolution as much as I should have. I do not accept that Iranian Americans are not educated. Or that they do not work.
I was told by more than American that they like Iranian Americans. Why: because we work hard; do not go on the dole; do not join gangs and so on. It was nice to hear that.
When the president of Iran
by Soosan Khanoom on Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:18 AM PDTWhen the president of Iran, that Moron, so publicly tells the world that 9/11 was an inside job it seems that he is asking for it .... That is what IRI gets when it keeps playing with the Lion's tail.
May the following article shed some lights on the entire thing and this is for those who actually are not blind and can read ....
The Iranian plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador and blow up the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington is a clear act of war says former Rep. Pete Hoekstra and Newsmax chief Washington correspondent Ronald Kessler — with Kessler adding the plot should be answered with a U.S attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.
Read more on Newsmax.com: Kessler: Bomb Iran Now for Washington Terror Plot
Uncle G.
by Faramarz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 07:39 AM PDTThank You.
I don't think that the guy had all the knowledge and know-how about where the Saudi Ambassador was having dinners at Georgetown or how to get C4 plastic bombs packed into a vehicle, etc. He was just trying to outsource the operation to a Mexican guy and pay for it, like when you do landscaping in the backyard. But once you start talking to an informant, he will feed you information and details that makes the case tighter and more real for a jury. Making the payment is what will nail him in the court, and not necessarily the details of the plot.
I second Faramarz's analysis!
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Oct 12, 2011 07:28 AM PDTFor one thing many Iranians, like PAIIA, want to portrait Iranians as "highly educated" immigrants compared to other nationalities, as if Koreans are fish bait! They forget about "other" Iranians who are not educated at all!
For one thing there are actually more "businessman" Iranians than "white collar" Iranians. Sure we have Doctors and Engineers but they are NOT in the majority!
For every Doctor or Engineer or Lawyer, we have about 10 "basic" Iranians!
Everything is sacred
Great Analysis, Faramarz!
by G. Rahmanian on Wed Oct 12, 2011 07:17 AM PDTAs usual enjoyed and learned from your sober input. I'd like to add, for many becoming delusional is part of the process of dealing with their issues. At certain stages such individuals start rejecting everything and everyone and falsely believe in their own integrity and righteousness.
Faramarz
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 06:53 AM PDTI read your post and twice; this is a public forum and I am allowed to reply. I did not say personal stuff about you. I mentioned my own experience with my ex which is my right. Plus mailed her the comment just to let her know.
You basically did an analysis of a group of Iranians which I disagree with. In fact I found it insulting to both American women and Iranian men. Rea is neither Iranian nor America. I want her to hear my side of the story.
I was here in the hostage crisis. I saw the ugly side of Americans more than once. But I did not do any of the things you paint with a broad brush. Neither did the people I know. Yes I really do know Iranian gas station workers and owners: more than one. None of them ever broke the law (other than traffic). Not one went to jail or anything of the sort. I will ask them to read your post and comment. Since they do not have accounts on IC I will post their side (making it clear it is them). Do you think they have a right to respond to an attack on their character? Yes or no their response will be posted in a day or two after I speak to them. Rest assured I will read the post several more times just to be clear I am not misunderstanding it. If I am please tell me what I missed.
VPK
by Faramarz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 06:26 AM PDTOnce in a while you should try to read what people write and then respond (try to read slowly if it helps) and if it is directed at you. Also try to leave your personal stuff out. I have no interest in that or in your replies. Thank you.
More Responses:
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:53 AM PDTHaving said all of the above there is no love between me and IRI. If this results in IRI being replace by a half decent system (not mek) I will be happy. My ideal is RP even though I am not a monarchist. But I will settle for anything that is:
Responses:
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:34 AM PDTRea
by Faramarz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:33 AM PDTThere is a category of Iranian-Americans that Mansour Arbabsiar falls into. You run into them in places like Texas, Oklahoma, Chicago, New York, DC, LA and San Francisco. They are men in their 50’s who have come to the US before the revolution on student visas. They ran out of tuition money or just dropped out of school. They became political around the time of the revolution. They worked at gas stations or 7-Eleven. They saw the unfriendly side of the US during the hostage crisis. They married for green card, became US citizens for the passport and other benefits. They didn’t go back to Iran because of the military service. In a nutshell, neither America nor Iran is their home, but they take pleasure in seeing the US get punched in the face.
They are not violent people but like Arbabsiar they have had run-ins with the law. It could be drugs related, tax or other financial irregularities or just traffic violations. Arbabsiar spent 90 days in jail for suspended license. He had a restraining order by his first wife, Esperanza Maldonado. He also had a suspended sentence for a check scheme. What is different about him is that he has a cousin who is a commander in Quds Force.
Now why did he decide to do this? He is not a Jihadi like the al-Qaeda people. He was not going to blow himself up. Instead, he was going to watch it from Mexico City and then fly to Iran. Was it for the money or fame? Was it a payback to the US? Or could it be that he wanted to impress his Sepahi cousin in Iran and started running his mouth and before he knew it, he was deep in trouble.
Up to the point that it was all talk between him and the informant, one could call it a conspiracy, which is still a serious matter. But when the money was wired by Sepah, it turned into a quite serious affair.
I wonder if Mykonos & Bakhtiar killings were "suspicious" too?
by AMIR1973 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:33 AM PDTAfter all, they were "sloppy" in their own way (and in the Mykonos case. ended up with high officials of the Islamist terrorist regime "leaving footprints" and getting charged). The same arguments that some people are making to suggest IRI innocence in this case also could have been used in those crimes to argue for the "innocence" of the IRI. And BTW, the ambassador position to the U.S. is one of the most important diplomatic positions for many countries (in Iran's case, it was held for a period by Ardeshir Zahedi, the Shah's one-time son-in-law and his Foreign Minister as well). The Saudi figure is a key advisor to the Saudi king, so let's not pretend like he's a nobody (and why would IRI care about him anyway, etc, etc).
Abarmand: wrong syntax. You
by alimostofi on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:29 AM PDTAbarmand: wrong syntax. You said ... Conclusion can be drawn that all negative policies towards Iran are based on pressuring Iranian system to budge into specific US demands ... Try using the phrase ... The Hezbollah Party in Iran ... I know it is a mouthful but we need to clarify. Thank you.
Ali Mostofi
//www.alimostofi.com
This shows how cowardly the
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:25 AM PDTThis shows how cowardly the regime is. They will never fight like men. They only murder Iranian girls in the streets, attack diplomatic missions, and torture hikers.
This is precisely why it does not make sense. Murdering little girls is what they do. No retaliation. Murder of Saudi ambassador to USA will bring major retaliation. If they wanted to do it they would not do it on American territory.
The business about "hikers" was discussed in details. I won't repeat the whole thing. Except that most non Iran Americans I know and on CNN blame the "hikers".
VPK
by Rea on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:21 AM PDTI am convinced that this story is blown out of proportion.
As to what's the motive behind and whether the West is getting back to reason (ref. Pahlavi), I have no idea. There are so many possible reasons for the false flag (if it is one), your guess is as good as mine.
The Chevrolet is Ready!
by Faramarz on Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:13 AM PDTThat’s the coded message that Mansour Arbabsiar gave to his contact signaling that the plan was approved by his cousin Abdul Reza Shahlai, a Quds commander. The money transfer totaling $100k is traced to off-shore bank accounts of Sepah. He then offered himself up as collateral in Mexico City to ensure that the rest of the $1.5 million will be paid to the drug cartel. He was supposed to stay in Mexico until the plot was done and money was paid and then go back to Iran. Instead, he was picked up at the airport and put on a Continental flight to JFK.
Saudi Ambassador to the US, Al Jubair is a confidant of King Abdollah and a significant Saudi figure. The assassination plot against him is most likely retaliation against Saudi’s involvement in the crackdon of Shia anti-government opposition in Bahrain.
Wrong policies against people of Iran
by Abarmard on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:45 AM PDTExactly these kinds of propaganda and wrong policies have been working to benefit wrong part of the Iranian system. When false accusations and wrong policies such as sanctions are at work the credibility of anti IR news declines. When the Islamic Republic kills or tortures Bahai people the world and most Iranians sit idle while these useless news gets worldwide attention.
It has become a norm that real issues are left untouched. Conclusion can be drawn that all negative policies towards Iran are based on pressuring Iranian system to budge into specific US demands. Unlike what most Iranians in US think, this has nothing to do with regime change or Human Rights.
Dear Rea
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:26 AM PDTIf this thing results in RP gaining power in Iran I am for it. Most probably this was not IRI but if it results in the return of Pahlavi: good!
Maybe West is getting back to reason and regrets promoting Khomeini.
Iran
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:24 AM PDTYes more fodder to blame "Iranians". The whole thing does stink. The biggest victims of IRI are Iranian people not the Saudi who rake in the oil money.
But of course that never comes up. No one in the "International Community" gives a ***. Nor do the "Patriotic American" Iranians around here. Prepare yourself for "We deserve it"; "Iranians are stupid" and the rest of the ***. Where are you folks? Why don't you write another blog on how evil Iranian people are? No doubt it will be out today.
Yes we all know IRI is a pile of ***. Why don't we hear about how badly Iranian people are suffering. How about the 32 thousand Basiji show in Tehran.
Assassinations...
by hirre on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:22 AM PDT//www.scribd.com/doc/17774391/-No-Safe-Haven-...
R. Pahlavi
by Rea on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:20 AM PDTJust today gave a passionate press conference in Paris. Is that a coincidence, what's up ?
Where's DK ? ;o))
,,,more:
by fozolie on Wed Oct 12, 2011 04:07 AM PDTReading NY Times:
The alleged plot also included plans to pay the cartel, Los Zetas, to bomb the Israeli Embassy in Washington and the Saudi and Israeli
Embassies in Argentina, according to a law enforcement official.
Mr. Fozolie
Unprofessional?
by fozolie on Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:52 AM PDTThe killing of Bakhtiar was professional? The cuplrits were caught but let go by the European pimps. Once you come out of shock, then you will accept the mad republic is capable of anything.
As for JJ I see he has stopped lecturing about conspiracy theorists and switched camps. That was quick
Lest you forget:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykonos_restaurant_assassinations
We'll see whether the allegations are true or not but given that the mad republic is capable of anything, let's not lose grip of reality.
Mr. Fozolie
PS: If anyone has made Iran a target for the 'big bad hungry wolf' is the incompetent criminals in charge of Iran. Don't lose grip of reality guys.
It was amazing
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:02 AM PDTIt was amazing how quick Wolf Blitzer had gathered his "experts" in the "Situation Room." He was so prepared as if he had been pre-informed of his "duties" to the empire.
dont bother
by Poosteh Pesteh on Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:54 AM PDTit the big dog is barking again. he is hungry
@JJ
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:25 AM PDTThe trace will be of no use either. Everything can be falsified in the digital world. Even if he paid the amount, how is one to say what he paid it for? May be for drugs and now they coerce him to say this cock and bull story to save his own ass.
$1.5m !!? there is no way
by alx1711 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:23 AM PDT$1.5m !!? there is no way IRI would spent this much money to get rid of an A-rab in US. $15m yes but not $1.5m.
Very Good Point. Lets all Agree Irans Name is the Victim here
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:08 AM PDTPay Attenton: This is the one thing that we actually have the power to do something about through education. Just like the Taliban are not Afghanistan and the Nazi's were not Germany, these guys are not Iran, no matter how much the people that really brought them to power would like to insist on it in order to benefit from it.
These guys are "The Hezbollahi Party In Iran" to be factually correct since they do not represent the views of the people of a Free Iran would hold.
We need to call all of them "The Hezbollah Party In Iran", MeK
included. West doesn't want to mention that because it still has dreams
of bringing another group of mullahs to power within the current system
in iran or from outside if it can.
Branding Who cares whether
by alimostofi on Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:42 PM PDTBranding
Who cares whether it is true or not. Fact is that this reporting is done badly. Let's start with all of you. Some refer to them as IRI some say Islamists. But worst of all BBC says .. Iran .. If the whole world stated .... The Hezbollah Party in Iran .... the name of Iran would be preserved. A virus has a proper name that all agree on.
Ali Mostofi
//www.alimostofi.com