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Dear Truthseeker,

Those who do not have facts and logical arguments, instead resort to LIES, insults, and personal attacks. Ramin J has made many personal attacks and insults against me. It shows that he lacks facts and logic. Ramin J is NIAC’s Shaaban Bi-mokh.

Best,

Masoud

ز تعارف کم کن و بر مبلغ افزا

من مطمعنم که تریتا پارسی توی یک خانواده خوب و سر سفره پدر و مادرش بزرگ شده و احتیاج به فحاشی و لات بازی برای نوشتن و گفتن نظریاتش نداره.

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Condemning the LIE by the Supporter of NIAC

Condemning the LIE by, Ramin J, the Supporter of NIAC

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Kazemzadeh the MEK agent

by Ramin J on Mon Oct 03, 2011 01:06 PM PDT

Sorry Masoud Kazemzadeh - sorry, but i don't think i can take ANYTHING you say seriously since it was revealed that you belong to the Mujahedin. Nothing personal, but I just dont link terrorist cults.

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1. I strongly CONDEMN Ramin J’s LIE.

2. I have never ever belonged to the PMOI.

3. I am a member of the Iran National Front-Organizations Aborad. I have held many top positions in the INF-O including Secretary of Foreign Affairs and Human Rights, and member of INF Central Committee.

4. I request a retraction and an apology from Ramin J for his LIE.

Masoud Kazemzadeh

Kazemzadeh the MEK agent

Sorry Masoud Kazemzadeh - sorry, but i don't think i can take ANYTHING you say seriously since it was revealed that you belong to the Mujahedin. Nothing personal, but I just dont link terrorist cults.

Sources on Terrorist Activities of the VF regime

Sources on the TERRORIST nature and activities of the vf regime:

//iranian.com/main/news/2011/08/16-7

//iranian.com/main/news/2011/08/03

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/11/26/u-s-state-departments-state-sponsors-terrorism

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/11/07-7

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/04/19/18th-anniversary-assassination-dr-abdolrahman-boroumand

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/10th-anniversary-chain-murders

//iranian.com/Kazemzadeh/2006/July/Hezbollah/index.html

Sources on NIAC

Sen. Jon Kyl, (Republican, Arizona) on the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and NIAC:

//www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Kyl_presses_for_NIAC_inquiry.html?showall

November 20, 2009

• Middle East

Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, a Republican source says,  sent written questions to Attorney General Eric Holder following yesterday's meeting, going after the National Iranian American Council, a group drawing conservative ire because it advocates a soft(er) line on Iran and the subject of a Washington Times piece raising questions about its lobbying status.

Kyl's questions:

The November 13, 2009 Washington Times article, “Iran advocacy group said to skirt lobby rules” alleges that the National Iranian American Council (NIAC) may be operating as an undeclared lobby and may be guilty of violating tax laws, the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lobbying disclosure laws.

• Is DOJ investigating the allegations put forward in this article? If not, why?

• Has DOJ found the allegations in this article to be true?

• What is the proper recourse against a 501(c)(3) group that engages in lobbying activity on behalf of a foreign government without registering as a lobbyist or filing papers with DOJ indicating that the group is a local agent of a foreign government?

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On the relationship between Dr. Trita Parsi and high level officials of the vf regime:

//iranian.com/main/news/2011/08/27/trita-parsi-attending-good-bye-party-ahmadinejads-ambassador-un

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/documents-relationship-between-trita-parsi-and-vf-regime-official

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On the credibility of NIAC:

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/how-many-actual-members-i-e-current-members-does-niac-have

excellent advice Ramin - email as a template 4 TP's next article

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Faramarz Jan

I know the law very well. I figure so does the FBI. Do you accept the judgment of FBI and IRS? They not only allow NIAC but make donations tax deductible. Look I am not saying NIAC is good. I am saying it is legal.

I am not a judge or FBI administrator. Nor do I have jurisdiction over these matters. {Sarcasm} If I did I would be selling Visas at cut rate prices and getting rich :-) Oops my Iranian side just poked its head out! 

I know people don't like NIAC. I know the reasons and I share many of your feeling. Personally I cannot stand some of their leadership. Way to Islamic and obsessed with Israel. But I agree with the stuff Anahid said.

I also think that you need to have access to IRR to influence them. They are sort of a channel that USA sees fit to keeo open. The Americans are hedging their bets. Let NIAC mediate {99% fail}; meanwhile try out MEK {100% fail}; or go for RP.

Maybe the Americans will try both approaches: carrot and stick. Neither will succeed. Because the IRI is not interested in carrots. And the stick is rotten. Then maybe would leave Iran alone and let it find its own way!

A novel thought!

Talking to Shah

Who refused to talk to the Shah? If I recall it was BBC. NIAC was not even around then. It was the West that trashed the Shah. Them and JM; MEK & Islamists. By all means condemn them: as I do.

Advice to Trita

I am not sure if you read these blogs, if it is you or someone else who publishes your articles here. But if you do, here is my advice on how you can win over some of teh boggers on IC.

1. Before you go into your artlcle, your title and your first paragraph has to make it crystal clear that you HATE all mullahs and everything IRI.

Suggested title: Fuck the fuck fuck the Mullahs and then fuck them again

Suggested opening sentence: Mullahs are not human, all should be killed and if we have to destroy Iran for the sake of destroying the IRI, show me the button to push. Anyone who doesnt HATE the IRI so much that they can't destroy Iran for the sake of destroying the IRI must be put to death. HATE Mullahs, Hate IRI, HATE Iranians that travel to Iran.

2. Then you can go into the subsance of your piece, such as how war can be prevented etc.

3. Even then, in the midts of your analysis, sprinkle it with a few FUCK THE MULLAHS statements. It doesnt matter if it comes in out of place, the important thing is that the IC blogers dont lose sight of the fact that you are as hateful as them.

4. Your last sentence should also include a shout out to all the people who blindly hate and prefer to hate than to resolve conflicts. 

5. Finally, your byline is impressive to all except the IC blogers. To impress them, i suggest the following:

Trita Parsi wakes up every morning hating the mullahs. During breakfast he thinks of ways to destroy Iran to get at the mulahs, and during his working week, he writes Fuck the Mullahs a lot. He is also a PhD from Johns Hopkins and an award winning author, but that is less important than the fact that he blindly hates the mullahs.

My friend, if your next article follows these guidelines, the IC bloggers will treat you as one of them. Of course, you will lose all credibility outside of IC, and all ability to be influential, but at least you will have the support of the 5-6 pro-MEK and pro-Israel bloggers on IC who post under 20 different fake names.

so there you have it!

Reflexes!

VPK,

In order to lobby for a foreign government one has to file under foreign agent registration otherwise you get into trouble like the good old Billy Carter did. I don't believe that NIAC has done so.

To me, Trita Parsi, more than anything else is naive about the nature of the Regime in Iran because he left Iran at the age of 5 and I don't believe that he has been to Iran since. He also has some issues with Israel and AIPAC that is influencing his better judgment. Maybe doing his PhD under the ex-neocon Fukuyama at John Hopkins and the trips to Israel for his book did it. Who knows!

Cousin Mehrdad,

Do you not see Khamenei/Janati/Sepa/Basij in black and white terms? They sure see the rest of us including the brave youth of Iran in black and white terms.

And if you do see them in black and white and also do not see them as reformable, then what is the purpose of talking to them? To lift the sanctions and ease their pains!

Trust me, like Saddam, Ghadhafi and Assad, they understand only one language and that language is not spoken by a tongue!

Trita calls the Hezbollahis

Trita calls the Hezbollahis Iranian and that is wrong. This article is printed everywhere and he, as a representative of Iran, is totally out of line. I have personally asked him to be more accurate. What we need is the correct use of the word Iran and Iranian culture.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Farmarz jaan: you are correct...

We do see things differently, for me it is hardly black and white and I believe with such approach we as a community will hardly get anywhere.

As for the IEDs go, I view them more like the part of the cold war that has been going on between these two regimes.  US certainly has had its share of supporting elements/forces that has killed IRI armed and otherwise forces.  One can hardly disagree with that.  Of course there are some that believe US should be able to carry these acts with total impunity, some disagree in concept and obviously IRI has disagreed in practice.

One thing that you will need to ask yourself is…
Is it possible that due to my view of seeing things black and white, I fail to see the other parts that is not just “all about Israel-Palestine”

As for me… I take it one issue at the time and lend them my support for those issues that I care for and disagree with those that goes counter to my judgment.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Of course, Anahid

I beg to differ from NIAC's actions, but I email them giving a piece of my mind instead of accusations of NIAC being an IRI agent.

YOU GUYS

EVER wonder why they did NOT 'TALK' to the shah??

was he really the monster who burned cinema rex, or killed '35000 in meydoon jaleh'???

this is the problem with all this nonsense- the so called 'government' of the akhoonds has destroyed iran beyond recognition, hanged thousands from cranes in public, assassinated thousands in cold blood, killed hundreds of us soldiers through its proxies, and on and on.....yet it has somehow always been worthy of 'being talked to.....and somehow deserves formal recognition and 'diplomacy'.....

interesting that such a vile, despotic group of nuts deserves so much respect and recognition for all it's crimes against iran!

I do agree that full diplomatic relations will finally bring these idiots down.....but we sure as heck don't need 'one their paid cronies to tell us that!" 

Responses

Dear Anahid: Thank you for a reasonable port. I don't agree with 50% or more of what NIAC does. I have phone them and told them so. But I do agree with the stuff you said as well as opposition to MEK. Also I did join NIAC a while ago; just did not have the full 100 $ to give them so the settled for less!

Bahmani: Yes MEK is the real threat. NIAC is not trying to become the government of Iran. MEK is trying just that. They are also in the pay of Bolton; AIPAC and Neocon. I said before NIAC and MEK are two different issues. NIAC is an American lobby with no plans to influence Iran. MEK is a terrorist cult that wants to run Iran. NIAC even if everything Faramarz says was right is 1/1000 the danger of MEK. The NIAC leadership at worst at disagreeable. MEK leaders: traitors. Big difference there,

Dear Mehrdad, thanks for your comment

Some of the articles about NIAC are about them because they are the articles written by "Trita Parsi". As far as whether criticizing NIAC will do any good, that is up to NIAC. I have read some valuable suggestions on IC regarding what NIAC could do better. So I belive NIAC can listen to some of the voices even if people saying those are not members. Some might even be members.

Faramarz

Admiral Mullen is an official of the US government confirmed by the US Senate and has the authority to engage any foreign government to pursue the US interests.

This is where we get in trouble. Parsi has a right to act within the law. If he breaks the law American Government will deal with it. Not Iranian American diaspora; you or I. Do you need Senate approval to run a lobby: no. 

Why don't you let the FBI take care of anyone breaking the law. Meanwhile I am really sick of far right Iranian American intolerance. This is not about having a relation with IRI. It is about intolerance of differences. 

We had this problem when Shah was in power. We had it before him and we had it now. For some reason many Iranians find it impossible to tolerate dissagreement. You are either on their side or the ultimate evil. MEK does the exact same thing.

Anahid jaan: very well said…

Although I think it should not need to be spelled out to us, as there is hardly any organization that can satisfy every ones need.

What attracts me to NIAC is to have an organization that can give us Iranian-American a voice in Washington and strengthen us as community.  If we are not engaging to change its direction to meet our priorities OR creating an alternative and competing group, then it is ONLY our fault.

We can learn from our Jewish community in US and how AIPAC has helped in to protect their interest in Washington.

Article after articles on IC and elsewhere that is aimed only at criticizing without offering any viable alternative/solution will not make a damn change in NIAC or our standing in the America.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Faramarz

1) I did not give them 100 $

2) Draw the pictures.

Cousin Mehrdad

I don't have much faith in NIAC because I don't trust its motives. Just look at where the energy of the organization is focused on. Remember the fundraising ad that was produced about a year ago? It talked about Iranian-American community with pictures of children and families, but the bulk of the ad was about Israel and pictures of Netanyahu, as if Iranian-American families worry about Israel/Palestinian conflict everyday.

As for the use of force, let's see, hundreds of Americans were killed in Iraq by the Regime-supplied IED's. If that's not an act of war, then what is? We should keep the threat of force in place until there is no threat from the Regime which most likely will come after the Regime is gone.

Everyday we witness more evidence that the Regime in Iran is not reformable and talking to them only prolongs the misery of the Iranian people. They are even killing their own children now. Why would they want to change? They will only negotiate when you put a gun to their head and at that moment we don't have any reason to negotiate. 

This issue is completely black and white, not half full or half empty.

I certainly appreciate cousin Farmarz insight…

As at least he focuses on the content, though when it comes to NIAC with a definite half empty cup if not fully empty and I don’t fault him for that, only noting it.   

Cousin Farmarz:  

I would have agreed with your analysis if NIAC’s message and approach was to “end the sanctions” as you seem believe it to be.  But judging by their action and not only their words, this is, I believe, not the case.  They emphasis is on sanction that can be most effective and that it would not play in the hands of IRI.  If history is our judge, USA has blundered enough times that has played right to the hand of IRI.

  As for threat of force, I believe it must end based on offensive posturing otherwise we don’t have a leg to stand on in criticizing the belligerent IRI posturing.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

One can be member of NIAC and not agree with their analysis

Currently I am not a member of NIAC but I used to be. I think one can still be a member of NIAC without having to agree with their recommendations about what US government should do regarding Iranian government. I guess if one pays about 100.0 a year, they might feel good if Persian Gulf name and the tablets are defended and NIAC does effort on behalf of Iranian students and their Visa issues and some other issues. Regarding this article, it was one of the better ones that I have read recently.

But of course the MEK is the real threat...

Once again, this article proves, that NIAC has the ability to make a good case against the IRI and for proper US-Iran strategy. I totally support NIAC in this endeavor. The sooner the US and IRI begin talks and regular diplomatic relations, the sooner according to Lazarus Long, we will be out of this mess.

"Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate -- and quickly."

Also good use of the new foreign policy buzzwords, "Soft Power" and "Statecraft". Man how Iranians are the master of the trend!

To read more bahmani posts visit: //brucebahmani.blogspot.com/

VPK, Sorry about Your $100 Donation!

VPK,

In business it is called good money chasing bad money! So you were conned out of $100 donation and now feel compelled to defend your decision.

If you cared to read what I wrote, I clearly stated why it makes sense for the US to have a hot line to the Regime. It allows the US military to prevent an unwanted escalation and gives the US the flexibility to wage war against the Regime at the time of its choosing and not to get dragged into a minor skirmish.

Admiral Mullin is an official of the US government confirmed by the US Senate and has the authority to engage any foreign government to pursue the US interests.

Trita is the head of a lobby group of 600 or so donors that erroneously claims to represent a million of us, Iranian-Americans and has engaged in activities that the majority of us do not approve.

Are we clear or do you want me to draw some pictures?

Folks

Yes IRI is unreasonable it does not listen to reason. The problem is that with some bloggers all you need to do is say "Trita Parsi". They go into attack mode and also do not listen.

On one hand they demand NIAC make IRI see reason. On the other hand blame NIAC for having contact with IRI. If Mullen wants contact with IRI why should NIAC not have it? Or is Mullen also an IRI supporter! Folks the only way to have influence is contact. This is something Mullen and Parsi understand. But IC bloggers pretend to not. I think deep in their minds they know well the only way is through contact. But that would deprive them of the "self righteous" position.

Dear Fred and Faramarz if you are so against contact with IRI explain it to Mullen!  Maybe they should have a phone from USA to Parsi to IRI. That should work just with a middle man.

What Trita is Saying

Here is my take on what Trita is saying and proposing.

The US power and influence in the Region is on the decline and none of the governments in the Region, including the Islamic Republic are in a position of power either, therefore, there is a chance that an accidental military confrontation between the US, NATO, the US allies in the Region and the IR Regime can escalate into a major war. So let’s have a dialogue to prevent that.

OK, that sounds reasonable.

However, the US military has put forward the proposal for a hot line between the two militaries so that if a Sepah speed boat got too close to a US ship and got sunk, then that confrontation would not escalate into 10,000 sorties by F-16’s and the destruction of all the regime missiles, boats, radar facilities and command and control infrastructure in a matter of days. The US military has all the plans but prefers to go to an all out war with the Regime at the time of its choosing and not as a result of an accident. Therefore, admiral Mullin would like to pick up the red phone and tell the top Sepahi guy, “One of your boats ignored our warnings ten minutes ago and we sank it. Come pick up the remains in Bahrain. Sorry about that, but it was his fault.” And that would be the end of that episode.

But since the Regime is in a much weaker military position and prefers to maintain a threat of force without saying exactly what that threat consists of, is obviously not interested in a conversation about what it will do or will not do. The Regime would rather put the threat of “closing the Strait of Hormuz” or attacking US allies out there and hope that these threats would be sufficient deterrents to even a minor confrontation. Therefore, having a hotline is the last thing that the Regime would like to do.

So what do you do when one party wants a red phone and the other one doesn’t? You sweeten the offer by putting more stuff on the table so the party that doesn’t want the phone accepts the offer. In other words, end the sanctions, remove the threat of force and let’s do a Grand Bargain!

Nice touch Trita!

Great article, spot on analysis….

While we are bickering what nasty name to give IRI along with those who we disagree with, we could add our support and/or 0.02 cents to the content of arguments in the hopes to advance the cause of freedom and [secular] democracy in Iran and for Iranians.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Dear MM,

Although the things you mentioned somehow counts and should be mentioned daily by the bloggers and commentators on this site to be approved by a few who think they are on the opposition committee on IC but no amount of that will ever qualify one as a real opposition if you still stand against MEK delisting, stand against any war on Iran and if, God forbid in between, you somehow feel for the middle-east peace or mention Palestine. Those are enough sins to have you labeled as an IRI agent, supporters , and the rest of the Bla Blas.  

So basically you are automatically doomed afterwards no matter how your choice of words is concerning the IRI. 

Now should anyone of us care ? Of course not ....