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Photo essay: Protesters in streets of Tehran following presidential election

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13-Jun-2009
 
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Souri

Okay, then let start a real debate

by Souri on

There are so many ambiguity, so many wrong assumption, so many wrong deduction that I don't know where to start from!

1) you called Dariush " a tug" just because he does not agree with you

2) you said : "police brutality is not justified (even if it happens) and certainly killing people is not justified"

Who said that Dariush or myself, had justified the police brutality? Even the government of Iran didn't justify it. but you don't care about it, do you? You just make an assumption and then you get a deduction from your false assumption, which result in accusation!

3)  "if you think the brutal actions of the police, special forces and basijis are justified, you're nothing but a fascist pig."

Again, you ask a question which already imply an accusation, then you just freely label the people, without giving them the time to answer the vicious question.

4) "it seems that the only options that you have left for the
people is to accept ahmadinejad or the chomagh (since even their
peaceful demonstration is getting them chomagh)"

It is not what Dariush said and not what I heard. He has been very clear in his statement about the democracy and its rules, and if you did interpreted it as you did, means either you dont' know really what the democracy is or you are very much hypocrite. Why? because of this:

5) "attacking the basiji building comes at a price of seven people shot dead."

In a "peaceful manifestation" people do not "attack" anything or any one!! but unfortuately they just did it.

Now, make your mind please, was it a peaceful manifestation or was it a violent attack ? I deplore all those atrocities, much more than you seem to believe, I cried many times last night after seeing those image. I take both parties (AN and Mousavi)  responsible for this. but you people you just use this as a tool to prove "you are right"

Then you come here and attack people and calling them fascist!

6) "your labeling me of being a groupie of mousavi, rafsanjani, and now a dictator won't get you anywhere!"

I have no intention of going anywhere!! I have always been in my place, which is defending the freedom and rights of the humanity. This is you who seem to want going somewhere from all these accusation!

7) and then she insincerely apologizes after i say those leaches must be her ammeh’s heroes

already addressed, but put it as a reminder! It is not my fault if all your perception are based on your imagination of the worst!

8) listen guys, your
statements do not get me mad; in fact, to be on the opposite of your
flaky arguments gives me a badge of honor just as it would against any
iri apologist.

Need another reminder?

Should I remind you that Mousavi is also IRI? and if you think you are not fighting for Mousavi, you are entitle to your own opinion, but guess what? The people who are fighting in Iran, they are doing this for Mousavi!! Believe it or not!

Because if Mousavi become the President, they will all go back  home and happily screaming "allah o akbar"

You people are either illusionist or hypocrite!! Whole my life I fought for the rights and freedom. I would never do it again under the flag of Islam. My slogan will never again be "allaho akbar" although I respect all the religions and all the good Muslims.

The whole Mosavi's existance is a lie. He is a hypocrite number one:

1) The very hypocrite color green which he chose !! Everybody including yourself, know what means the green color in Islam! It means (Mir + Hossein + Mousavi) Means being a child of Mohamad, being a Seyed! But still it look very chic to in the eye of the occidentals.

2) He calls the young to rally under the dangerous situation of safety that he is well aware of, because he was part of it (and how!!)

3) In his Monday declaration, he enumerate 7 points. The hell with the first 5 ones although they are the main point of his movement .

Let talk about the last 2 ones which bring the whole supporters on the street.

a)  Freedom of all the political prisoners! My A@@!! They did the same thing right after the revolution only for bringing them back to the prison multiplied by 10  !!

But let debate it: All the political prisionrs means, the Bahais too !

How would it be possible to free the Bahais prisoners under an Islamic government while the base of their existence is odd to Islam? Did he ever explain it?

b) The cancellation of the "Ershaad" organization!! Really?

That's why he got so many votes from all the Gucci dressed of the up north and areas!! How would he mangage this under an Islamic government? 

He never said, free choice of Hejab!! He can't say it under an Islamic rules. Then women will have to wear Hejab anyway. But if they don't, who is gonno force them, if there's no Ershaad organization?

I bet you, they will build a new organization with a new name,  which will take care of the same thing as Ershad did. Deja vu!!

NOw, go ahead, and call me names, saying that I didn't get anything, because you are not for Mousavi, but for the rising of the people in Iran. I know, and I believe you.

But from the beginnign, this is what I say: Know to recognize your battle!! 

The young people in Iran are mislead inn their battle, they are manipulated, but I give them the right to be duped, not to you! Instead of supporting them to be mislead! Educate them!! Show them the right battle!! Share your experices (if you have any). don't tell them go go go , resist until the last drop of your blood!! This is what the MKO and the Monarchist and the Zionists are doing too!! You don't believe me? Go watch the Iranian satelite TV abroad!!

This young generation is not trying to change a system dear honey! They are trying to change a President under the same system. Get your records set!

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And this change of President under the same IRI system, is nothing worthy of their lives!! For just a Presidency, they should not go so far, calling for all those violence and atrocities and loosing their lives! Just a calm and "IRI-wise democratic " complaint was sufficient!Because as I always said : Sag zard baradar shoghaleh!

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The emotional support you are giving them is wrong!! This is where we two differ in belief!! You can be right or I can be right, but you have no right to label me!!

I always said  and repeat (not to please the like of you that I really don't care about) that I am truly sad for what is happening in Iran now, but I don't share their battle. Not again!! Not twice!!

 

 


hamsade ghadimi

souri, i never want to shut anyone up...

by hamsade ghadimi on

...i just want to expose the antagonists of the movement of the people inside iran, the movement against the system. this anonymous thug started barking at everybody for supporting the innocent demonstrating in iran who are being brutally attacked by the regime's agents.

you seemed to wholeheartedly agree with him with your post and i tried to clarify them which you did. i am reading your posts and do understand where you come from.  as you say:

"We are facing a very well organized machination which has only one purpose (destruction of Iran)"

these people taking to the streets have one purpose (either knowingly or as puppets of foreign governments), and that purpose is to destroy iran.  keep talking, nobody ever told you not to.  your labeling me of being a groupie of mousavi, rafsanjani, and now a dictator won't get you anywhere!


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hamsade ghadimi

by Dariush (not verified) on

I don't see you asking questions. You have all the answers and plans. First you replace Ahmadinejad as you call him a liar and cheater with Rafsanjani the corrupt murdered. Then try to fight him. I just hope you don't start crying years from now wishing to have Ahmadinejad back again.


Souri

Now, stop it! stop it!

by Souri on

Enough is enough Hamsadeh Ghadimi.

I tried to be polite with you but you just don't stop your accusation and insulting assumption. Whatever has gone wrong in Iran's election, I am not responsible for it, you understand? 

I should not be the aim of your gun! Go shoot the responsible!

Not because you are angry and frustrated now, that you have the right to accuse and label people!! 

We don't know even who you are! Do I know you?

I am here with my real name and picture, stating my honest opinion of what I see, right or wrong. I have the right to say it!! First lesson of democracy!! Get it or leave it!!!!! 

Don't give free label to the people you don't even know the past and present life, just because they don't agree with your views!! Second lesson on democracy!! Get it or leave it!!!!

Before giving the free speech on the "true identity" of the people you don't know, you should first do the same thing you are giving as lesson to others:

"if she had paid attention to my posts, read my posts to her, or looked at my track record) takes a jab at me:"

Did you, yourself, got the time to read all my posts here since two years? You are here only since a week, I have been here since years and have posted many statements and blogs since more a year and half now!

I was not "insincere" when I had apologized, I was polite!! Do you know this word? I don't think so!! 

I
thoughth that angry tone which was very much offensive, is not
your usual way of addressing people (then I was wrong) that's why I
said, I am sorry if I drove you to this point.

It is good to see the defender of democracy like you, how they will behave in the position of power!!

Now you have only an illusion of "being right" which is not even approved but only  put you in the side of the majority, and you are already behaving like a dictator!!


hamsade ghadimi

dariush/souri

by hamsade ghadimi on

now, i see how both of you seem to be on the same page. you are both flaky by ignoring what i have to say in my posts and don’t respond to my questions. 

dariush says:

“Democracy comes with education not chomagh, but burning buildings comes with chomagh.”   

the answer to that is: peaceful demonstrations have come at a price of beatings, pepper spray, motorcycle gangs terrorizing crowds, ansare hezbollah terrorizing residents of buildings, breaking their windows and in some instances killing them. attacking the basiji building comes at a price of seven people shot dead. in a civilized country, when you commit damage to property, you will get arrested. police brutality is not justified (even if it happens) and certainly killing people is not justified. just look at some videos on this site and witness the brutality.  if you think the brutal actions of the police, special forces and basijis are justified, you're nothing but a fascist pig.

dariush says: 

"If Ahmadinejad indeed got the votes, he is the president and if you don't like it, the only option you have is to peacefully organize and support your future candidates. Otherwise, if you want to start riots and chaos, chomagh is what you deserve."

it seems that the only options that you have left for the people is to accept ahmadinejad or the chomagh (since even their peaceful demonstration is getting them chomagh). again, that makes you a thug. not only that, it also makes you a believer that there is democracy in iran and that the votes were counted correctly. that’s why i told you be prepared where the chomagh will be going!

darius says in another post:

//iranian.com/main/albums/where-are-our-votes

“Where is your vote? Voting doesn't guaranty winning. You did not bring enough votes! That is democrocy, if you can understand it and live with it.”

if you ignore the incoherency of his statement; he, again, demonstrates that he believes that there is a democracy in iran and the vote count must have been proper.

souri after dodging all the questions that i asked her and knowing that i’m against all those who had or currently represent this regime (only if she had paid attention to my posts, read my posts to her, or looked at my track record) takes a jab at me:

"If I had the guts I would wish Mousavi and Rafsanjani's success. I would wish you win and your heroes come to the power.”

and then she insincerely apologizes after i say those leaches must be her ammeh’s heroes.  listen guys, your statements do not get me mad; in fact, to be on the opposite of your flaky arguments gives me a badge of honor just as it would against any iri apologist.


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hamsade ghadimi

by Dariush (not verified) on

You wrote I have probably been a IRI pro-voter before. You are wrong again.
I have voted one time and that was no to IRI after the revolution, but I accepted and respected the vote of the majority then and I will accept and respect it now. My problem now is not the movement to change the system, it is those who are running the movements and it is arms taking that will force the government to use arms as well, then you have war and bloodshed. Just as some tried to get their hands on guns in last few days and got shot. If they hadn't tried that, no one would have been killed.

Whether there was fraud or not, the number of protesters is suggesting more than reasonable doubt and that calls for reelection under the supervision of a neutral international organization and the representatives of the candidates. If fraud was proven, both Ahmadinejad and khamenei should step down and answer some questions and possible charges. But the system will still need cleaning from criminals and corruption and that includes members of the new government.

IRI has had both positive points and negative points. So will any future governments. Unless we learn to respect the rights of the others nothing will change.


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Sign the petition

by Areyo Barzan (not verified) on

Ask for international arrest warrant on Khamene-e

Just go to the following link and sign the petition

As a patriot Iranian this is your national duty

//www.petitiononline.com/akcriems/petition.ht...


freenet

Ways to help people in Iran (fight censorship) and ...

by freenet on

As you know IRI is trying hard limit and block access to the internet and the flow of information

1. A good way to circumvent this is to use your internet connection
(outside of Iran)
as a connecting point to the computer of your friends and relatives in Iran.
This way if they want to visit a censored site they connect to your computer
and through your computer they can connect to their desired site.  In
other words your computer acts as a router for them. The trick is to keep your
computer on and connected.

Here is a site that can give you more information on how to do this.

//psiphon.ca/

Remember quick access to information can save lives in Iran. 
Please share this information with other friends.

2.   Send letters to UN and  IRI officials expressing deep
concern about torture of people that have been detained and demand their
immediate release. Here are couple of links with more information.

//iranminoritynews.org/2009/06/16/amnesty-int...

//www.roshangari.net/as/sitedata/200906160124...

 

3. We can also send letters to the media and governments all around the
world asking them to condemn the killing and urge them not to
recognize Ahmadinejad’s government as representative of people in Iran. 
Widespread international diplomatic pressure could force the IRI regime to think
twice about pursuing its murderous path. 
It would also help  people around
the world to differentiate between the will of majority of Iranian people and
this repressive dangerous government.

 This regime has plans and
capabilities of committing mass murder. Their arrogance in the blatant
"election" fraud and the way they are repressing our people
indicate that  they  had  been
preparing  for this, while trying to lure people into voting and creating
more legitimacy for themselves by 
claiming the votes for Ahmadinejad.

 Please be creative in any thing we
can do and share your ideas to help our hamvatanan. Let us turn our hope for a
free democratic Iran
into actions.


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hamsade ghadimi / Mote Gilani

by Dariush (not verified) on

Democracy comes with education not chomagh, but burning buildings comes with chomagh.
You don't accept the result. You don't accept a neutral organization. You don't want a recount. You don't want a reelection. You don't know the difference between protesting an election and riot. You don't know what democrocy is. It is yet to be proven that the election was rigged, but you have already burned down the city and have caused a few death. You point a finger at Ahmadinejad and accuse him of lying and fraud, while you have rest of your fingers pointing toward yourself and oppositions supported or ran by criminals and..........

As you and Mort Gilani admitted, It is not about voting and voting result for you. The problem is Muslim Iranians. You think they should live as you want, because YOUR WAY is THE WAY, and YOUR GOD is THE GOD. Otherwise, they should be destroyed. That is your message. That is your democrocy.
Before you force your ways to them, take a good look at your life and your actions, you will see who you are and what your way and your Gods are.


Souri

Sorry

by Souri on

I stop the conversation because I see you are very angry. Sorry if I made you mad. I understand you are under pressure now, we all are very nervous.

No, I have never said that there is democracy under the IRI. Of course not!! But all I meant was that Mousavi group is lying too. As you may have noticed my blog of yesterday, I said this is a battle between two groups of IRI, one is worse than the other.

But let it go for now, please. This conversation is not constructive at all and will not get to a positive result.

Please forgive me.


hamsade ghadimi

i wish you weren't..

by hamsade ghadimi on

...blinded by your stubbornness. i wish you answered any of my questions that i posed. i wish you read my posts. i've always maintained that everyone in the system is corrupt. you can look at my track record and see what i've said about mousavi, rafsanjani, khatami, khamenei, ahmadinejad...

i had predicted that the votes will not be counted.  i had predicted that ahmadinejad will win with 67% of the vote to mousavi's 29% (see my first blog with excerpt of my may 20 predictions). 

i've been railing against these islamists kurosh, dariush, jaleho, abarmard, irandokht, ... but you (by your statement) echoed the anonymous thug, who most likely was an anonymous islamist pro-voter before. stand up to it. admit then that there's democracy in iran, the votes were counted and ahmadinejad is the real winner and we should go on. stop the charade.

this is an opportunity for the iranians to defy the system. it's not about mousavi. can't you read what i've been writing? these people and the shah are your ammeh's heroes not mine.


Souri

I wish I could

by Souri on

If I had the guts I would wish Mousavi and Rafsanjani's success. I would wish you win and your heroes come to the power. I would wish verything you ask for now, will be realized in Iran......only to see you two years from now here in this same site.

I would like to wish all that you fight for, really happen in Iran, to see the result and to see if people will be happier .......

But God knows, I can't.  I can't wish this for my people, even not for the joy of seeing your regret only one or two years from now. I can't accept these two individual whose past are so  shameful return back to the power, the same way  I can't accept the Shah come back to the power.

All in all, let people of Iran decide for themselves. After all, I will never live in Iran, but my heart is with my people.


hamsade ghadimi

speechless

by hamsade ghadimi on

this is not about the election results anymore, this is about the legitimacy of islamic republic. it is obvious that the elections were rigged, the state media never covered pro mousavi demonstration before or after the elections while it has exclusively covered ahmadinejad’s elections before and after the election. khamenei did not wait for the guardian council to certify the election results and give the legal three days for any protest. he declared ahmadinejad the winner. services for scores of communication media (sms, facebook, youtube, …), mousavi’s camp’s method of organization were routinely shut down. the mousavi observers were not allowed in many of the voting centers. the litany of complaints are endless…

now, you want people to believe a second “neutral” partial recount to be taken seriously?  is this a hypothetical question you are posing? as in if god were to come down and make a final judgment, would we accept it? do you really expect an answer to this preposterous question? a government that has shunned international observers until now is willing to do it for the recount? will anyone even believe them? do you not think that votes that are tainted will not have the same effect on the recount?

why bother? iran has a democracy. the voting was conducted fair and square. those who do not believe it deserve the chomagh. these are the statements in the thug's posts which is "so fondly in your mind." and you did not (purposefully or not) answer to any of the questions that i posed to you previously regarding these statements; you just incredulously stuck to the potato question and claimed that’s business as usual in a democracy.  i don't have anything to add to this topic.


Mort Gilani

Mehdi

by Mort Gilani on

Get a life! We need more sanctions against the murderous Islamist thugs.  Those Muslim scumbags will never ever be rewarded because of what they are doing to our brothers and sisters now.


Souri

Hamsadeh/doust Ghadimi

by Souri on

Can I ask you a question?

What is wrong with the constitution of a neutral organization, which would recount the votes? I mean, each candidate gives a list of the few persons they trust and then they will make a neutral comity, with trusty people who will watch each candidate's right is equally respected?

Also I am not against another fair election all over again. Why not?

But this time, they have to admit the result, no matter what.

BTW: I forgive your harsh words :) just reminding you that I am not siding with anybody, not even with one of those candidate!!

The fact that we agree with someone's words in one matter, does not imply that we are siding with them.


hamsade ghadimi

souri

by hamsade ghadimi on

don't be sorry for siding with the foul-mouthed thug who thinks democracy comes with a chomagh. and don't be sorry that you think ahmadi won. and don't be sorry to be siding with someone who thinks that there is democracy in iran. as pitiful as all that sounds.

there has never been a fair election in iran, including this one. to have a fair election, one needs democracy first. i'm not a fan of any of these canidates; but as al sharpton put it, in the context of being a democrat, in the dnc convention in 2004: "[we didn't get all that abraham lincoln promised us disadvantaged people,] but i'm going to ride this donkey [the democratic symbol] as far as it would take us."


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Ali Akbar

by Dariush (not verified) on

Thank you for keeping our debate respectful unlike hamkhayeyeh ghadimi. he/she thinks can be a smart a.. w.

When Obama was criticized for what Jeremiah wright had said, a comedian said, if you dig a man's past and all the dirt you can find, is what his pastor said, then he must be a very good person.

Now, Ahmadinejad's opponents had dug and all they have come up with is why he gave potato away. If all they have come up with is Ahmadinejad helping some poor Iranians, that shows he must be a GREAT man. He could have given tomatoes or cucumbers to his rich oppositions and keep them happy, but he tried to fight these corrupt individuals and the whole gang, such as the corrupt Karubi, who has taken a lot of money from Shahram Jazayeri the famous thief in bribe, he called Imam's share.
Ahmadinejad has been helping poor Iranians from day one he took the office, he didn't need to buy votes after he was elected. Naturally when he does good, he is liked.

Ahmadinejad can jeopardize the national security for so long. I am afraid the time might come that he can no longer do that.

There is a the right way to deal with the issues and there is the foolish way.

The problem is people say they want democrocy, but they don't really know what it means. We must learn, that before i fight for my rights, i should respect yours.
Has the voting process been unjust? In my opinion, yes.
Has there been fraud? we don't know. It is just speculation, guess and rumors by Mousavi. Had he been given the vice presidency, he wouldn't have cried so much, no matter what IRI does. Like Hillary for Obama. But Ahmadinejd said, I give the government position to those who i find fit for the job whom i think will serve the country and the people. He is the president and that is his right. Any differences must be resolved by adults like adults, not by sacrificing the teenagers and setting everywhere on fire.
"Shorayeh maslehateh nezam" is only good and legal if it is serving the country and the people, once there are corrupt individuals using it for self interest, it is no longer serving the country. I would put the Mafia Boss and his family in jail and if Mousavi wants to shield him by more riots, then it will be clear what he stands for.


Souri

dear Hamsadeh Ghadimi

by Souri on

I'm so sorry having disappointed you. You seem a very articulated person and a most knowledgeable member of this site.

But, what can I do if I am not convinced about Mousavi's legitimacy?

What can I do if I am very pessimistic toward Rafsanji bein the main pole of all this distaster? what can I do if (yes true) I think Rafsanjani is for the interest of Israel? Actually this is not the exact word. They (HR and Co) are for their own interest but want other countries leave them alone to be able to continue what they have been doing all these years.

I still am not convinced that the election result was rigged (sorry) because all I hear here are the assumption based on many different and sometimes contradictory information.

I call home, the news confirm what I see at the Iranian TV. Here, all the countries which never held Iran's interest in their heart, have always supported Mousavi, before and after the election.

I'm still in quest for the truth. But trough what I read and I observe, I see myself much more in tune with Kourush, than other friends whom I really truly respect. I hope I am wrong. 

I don't want to elaborate all cases you have mentioned here, one by one....but still, I can't convience myself about the "how the result have been rigged" 

some people says, the votes have been bought buy potato sacks, others says two million new ID have been published in Pakistan, other says the ID have been delivered in Ministry of interior, some says, they have been cheating in the poll centers, they changed the boxes.......etc etc

Some report coming directly from the Ministery of Interior, showed AN got only 13 million votes, then some really really original report came with AN's votes only 8 millions, and then today, we got the last and the truest one with only 5 millions votes for AN....from which 2 millions would be the frudulent delivered ID, then I must believe that from the 40 million votes there were only 3 millions who voted for AN!!!

Plus, as I said before, I see the most hateful people in this site, the most bankrupted ones, not only supported Mousavi (which is absolutely correct) but have started their propaganda against AN, even a week before the election and are spreading rumors like the growing cockroaches in this site.

How many news have you read about Mousavi, Khatami, Karoubi being jailed in Evin? How many report about this and that responsible being  killed misteriously.....enough is enough dear Hamsadeh G.

I have enough of rumors and propaganda. At least Kourush is not trying to fool anyone. He doesn't take people for the idiot. Neither do you or some other respectful members who are really in search of the truth....but believe me I am disgusted of so much propaganda and rumors and stupid "konesh and vakonesh" I see about this subject. some people come to the political blogs, only to make their "khordeh hesab" clear with others. 

I have always been very pessimistic about Mousavi's motivation and when I saw his stupid call of the youth for rally under this dangerous condition, I can tell you "Yes, he is a traitor" 

At least a traitor to his own supporter. He could call them for calm and patience. He could find another democratic way to complain. But, instead he preferred to use the life of so many young and emotional people for his own purpose. 

I am sorry to disappoint you dear. My utmost respect for you rest untouched, but in this special matter, I can't share your views.

Have you read this article that I had posted in many blogs?

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05....

This has been posted by Ostaad, in the News section only yesterday.

My post is getting too long now, I am afraid I bore you. But wanted to say two more things :

1) I don't see anything wrong with the potato sack in the time of electoral campaign :) Many candidates do similar things during the compagin. This is not called  buying a vote!! This is called campaign! They did not paid people with potato, each time they had voted, they did it during their campaign and it is absolutely legitimate and legal.

2) "why wouldn't they want to do the elections all over again. invite international organizations to observe the votes?"

That would be a shame for a country who gave so many lives to get thier political independence! After doing a revolution and showing to the west that we are capable of getting our destiny in hands, now we call them to watch over us because we can't even get an election correctly?

 


hamsade ghadimi

souri

by hamsade ghadimi on

I’m thoroughly, for a lack of more respectable word,  disappointed in you. you said in your post to the resident thug dariush:

"I wish I could know you :) everything I have in my mind, is written in your posts!!" 

here's some of the statements that your thug friend has said:

"If Ahmadinejad indeed got the votes, he is the president and if you don't like it, the only option you have is to peacefully organize and support your future candidates. Otherwise, if you want to start riots and chaos, chomagh is what you deserve."

if you agree that those who didn't agree that ahmadi got the votes deserve the chomagh, then you and people like you will never deserve a democarcy until you change. 

"What I see is a coup attempt directed by western and Israeli agents in and out of Iran and Rafsanjani through Mousavi by fooling and using the public."

does that mean you think that Rafsanjani and mousavi are western and Israeli agents? do you think that iranian people have no will or opinion of their own and all phenomena related to iran, and specifically these demonstrations, are explained by conspriacy theories? 

"You don't buy votes with sack of potato."

then how do you explain giving sacks of potatos right before the election. 

"What if a neutral organization recount and Ahmadinejad win again?"

do you think that the system who anointed ahmadinejad for a second term has a neutral organization within it? do you think that the iri regime would let an international organization observe the elections? do you not think that the "recount" would be just another sham if the first count was a sham?

"The question was, if they recount and win again, would you all be satisfied?"

the real question is why wouldn't they want to do the elections all over again. invite international organizations to observe the votes. not kick out the candidates' representatives from the voting booths. have accountability for all the voting ballots printed (53 million printed, 14 million lost).  have exit polls to see if indeed 5000 of 7000 residents of mousavi's hometown indeed voted for ahmadinejad. to verify if 870 out of 900 residents of rezaei's hometown voted for ahmadinejad.

the only proofs that your ally has is the bussed-in demonstrators in ahmadinejad's rally, some unanswered what if questions, and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. it's enlightening to see how some people's minds work.


Mehdi

Support NIAC if you want to support Iran

by Mehdi on





I think the West  should immediately remove sanctions against Iran! That is the best way the Iranian people will be helped. That would give great support to those who want change in Iran. It will make their case very valid. Once the perceived threat of war is gone, the regime will have no leg to stand on for its persecutions and oppressions.

The West should also immediately ask for talks for the purpose of resolving animosity between Iran and and the West. These two actions will be a very effective blow to stupidity and ignorance and will remove the sources of oppression from the positions of power. 

NIAC war right, working on normalizing Iran-US relationship is the most effective way to help people in Iran. The excuse of "external threat against Islam or Iran" has been the strongest leg that the opressors have been standing on since the beginning. It is time this leg was taken from under them! 

All the 30 years of rhetorics by the West only made oppressors and ignorant superstitious rulers stronger. As soon as the US openly stated that they are no longer attempting to overthrow the IRI, Iranians dared to ask questions from their own government! This is the way out! 


Souri

Parrot!

by Souri on

Then don't personalize your comment Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!! okay?

Stick to the subject. What I do with my life is none of your pathetic business!


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Recount wouldn't satisfy

by agha shirazi (not verified) on

They will still cry fraud until they get what they want. This is the cry baby mentality of many Iranians, unfortunately.
As for voting.. yes I voted. I live abroad in a small city and most of my friends if not all voted for Ahmadinejad. And this is just in a small insignificant city OUTSIDE of Iran! Are you trying to tell me that aside from these rich North Tehran unemployed layabouts, that noone.. esp the poor hardworking folks in joonoob and cities/villages voted for Ahmadinejad!? Name me just one President or leader in Iran that has done more for the poor/working class (despite all the opposition from Rafsanjani&co) In fact I would have been VERY suprised if he didn't win. I was actually expecting a landslide.. more like 80-85% for Ahmadinejad.


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Parrot

by Areyo Barzan (not verified) on

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease Suri.

Do not parrot my comments,.

What ever I might be I am not a chomaagh bedast for Ansar e hisbullah.

 

 


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to Daruish

by Ali Akbar (not verified) on

I thank you for your intelligent and articulate manner in formulating a response to my post...

Actually no because the original vote was flawed...

I agree there was no viable opposition to the lessor of 3 or 4 evils presented... And any attempt by the CIA or any one else would be stupid

But are you aware of the government's handling of ANY individual who have philosophical differences with the leadership??

Also do you really believe that any well reasoned independent minded Iranian would have voted for the present set of leaders unless they were under some form of coercion??....

It is widely known that the guardian council hand picked the candidates... yet they show not one iota of respect to the wishes of the Iranian people...This therefore shows me that they not only do not care about the opinions of the citizens of Iran within Iran...

It is my belief that they will attempt to murder all opponents of the present regime once when the Western Media moves onto its next diversion whether it is crude oil exceeding $100.00 a barrel or some movie star in California stubbing her toenail...


Souri

listen Areyo

by Souri on

I was reading your post seriously, until I got to the end and saw your note about me, then I smiled. It was all a joke!!

Thanks for having showed your true face. Rumors and propaganda is the name of your game. Nice meeting you :)


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Come on guys

by Areyo Barzan (not verified) on

Who do you think you are kidding? 

Vote rigging is not about miss-counting. It is about using two million fraudulent birth certificates that was printed in Pakistan.

Is about providing pens with disappearing inks (as said by one eye witness, polling station attendant) and is about changing the boxes. 

Of course Ahmadi will come out by recount otherwise they would not call for it.

Even Khamene-e could not be that stupid. Or could he???

:-) 

Also I think Suri have found her soul mate.  So guys when is the big day

 

Baadaa baadaa mobarak baadaa

 

LOL


Souri

Dariush

by Souri on

I wish I could know you :) everything I have in my mind, is written in your posts!!

Speaking of  " a coup attempt directed by western and Israeli agents in and out of Iran"

only in this site, if you look you will see a group of "very attached to Israeli organization" who doesn't stop doing propaganda.

They have started a week before the election. At the eve of the election, they were posting all the time, the news of Mousavi's victory, despite the many posts revealing the great percentage of Ahmadinejad's votes. You know why? Just to give the false illusion to the readers (same as they did in Iran) that Mousavi should be the real winner!! Because they knew exactly what they had planned for the aftermath!!! 

Now, they are here, with many different usernames (most of them are created just a week ago or so) doing propaganda, spreading rumors, posting old news and videos ........etc.

We are facing a very well organized machination which has only one purpose (destruction of Iran) 

All those people are known to this site and thier bankrupt organization is obvious to all vigilant members. But still, they like to hide their head in the sound hoping that we wont recognize them.


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Ali Akbar

by Dariush (not verified) on

The question was, if they recount and win again, would you all be satisfied?
Frankly, I did not vote since I didn't believe in any of the candidates, I believed we could do better, but if i had to, Ahmadinejad would have been my choice as I explained before.
What I see is a coup attempt directed by western and Israeli agents in and out of Iran and Rafsanjani through Mousavi by fooling and using the public.
You don't buy votes with sack of potato. You buy votes by promising large tax credits as they do in America and large cash gifts and bribes as Karubi and Rafsanjani did and promised.


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Yes I saw the "supporters"

by Ali Akbar (not verified) on

And I wonder how much they were paid to wave around mr Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's photo??? maybe 50 euro's???

I also herd the 100 -200 TONS of Potatoes were delivered to the rual occupants by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's supporters to buy votes...

Hell, give a starving man a steak and some wine and he'll give you his mother....


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Areyo Barzan, You keep

by Dariush (not verified) on

Areyo Barzan,
You keep saying "ma hasteem". Yes, I know you are. The question is, who or what are you?

Ali Akbar,
Did you watch Ahmadinejad's supporters rally on CNN. Watch that and then come and tell me he didn't get the votes. Mousavi and his supporters say, where is my vote. They expect to win, just because they voted. Well, they didn't bring enough votes. What if a neutral organization recount and Ahmadinejad win again? Will they be happy? I don't think so. So far no one has been killed, once a few policemen or people in public are killed then this might turn bloody for the opposition. Exactly what happened with MEK. However, I don't think Ahmadinejad will take that route.
Ahmadinejad is responsible for his actions, not other presidents in the past or what the Mafia boss and his gangs have done in his name. The fact that he has ordered not to shoot people, is a good sign to me. The fact that he is taking down the Mafia, is a good sign to me. The fact that he is not a thief and is working hard and helping lower and middle class is a good sign to me. The fact that he united several countries is a good sign to me. When the enemy wants to get rid of an important obstacle and figure, they demonize him by propaganda and use the traitors to do the job, just as they did with Mosaddegh, Amir kabir and others.

Hamsaye ghadimi, You are wrong again.
My koon is not goshad, your head is too small. That is why you have such a small brain, and so much s..t in your head.