We Say No To Islam

Q...

Your judgement is biased, and so is Barzargan's. Mine maybe biased too, but the evidence is on my side.

"Forced" is not the right word. It's meaning here is by intimidation and by killing. Yes, Zoroastrianism was not in a good shape, it was not as widely exercised as we tend to believe in farther corners of the empire anyway. However, iranians (except for few likes of salman farsi) never accepted islam easily. They in fact changed their religion one more time under similar circumstances during Safavids from Sunni to Shia. Religion, after all, is only conditioning of the mind, otherwise we would not have so many religions, with followers so believing in their own religion and rejecting others.

As for evidence, if and when you are able to set aside your prejudices and fanaticism with islam, then you can read Book XIV of Tabari, Kasaravi's On Islam and On shiaism, and Dashti's 23 Years. All are available on Amazon or from the publisher. There is just too much material that cannot be copied and posted here, if that is what you want as evidence.

The opinion of I or you or Bazargan do not matter, None of us were present then and there, so our only way of knowing what happened is to turn to historical writings, not present-day propaganda. We do not need to know how Prophet conducted his affairs and what he said as he was not the one who tried to dominate iran; but we know what Caliphs did to iran, after all, why did they care if iran was or was not Moslim, and as the Prophet says "we brought this religion for people of Mecca.", not iranians. So their only motivation was to capture, loot, and dominate.

There are far more evidence, such as picture of iranian females being sold as slaves by invading arabs, drawn at the time by christian monk travelers that is available in Louvre Museum; but I do not mention them in detail since I have not had the chance to see them/read them on my own.

However, the biggest evidence is what we saw in front of our own eyes for the past 30 years. Although iranians (in general) were moslim in 1979 and welcomed khomeini based on their religious trust, he quickly broke that trust, and murdered the welcoming parties by tens of thousands and looted their coutry. That is how it was 30 years ago when iranians were moslims; now imagine what happened if the invading force faced non-moslim iranians, it is khomeini all over again (same ideology, same fanaticism), but this time treatment is like IRI treated likes of Bahais, still with some major exceptions like that it maybe difficult to slaughter Bahais as it would raise the international objections and condemnation, and majority of iranians are not culturally conditioned to be as fanatic and thuggish as arabs were, forces that did not exist then.

Did you see the letter signed by Khamenei that was posted on iranian.com maybe a month ago where he refers to Zoroastrians as "Kaafar" and undeserving of inheritance? Omar could not be more civilized than Khamenei, or could he?

Distortionist Ommatists

These event according to brainwashed cultural agents of ommah never happened .;Now some  bacheh basijiis these days chewing Arab mullah propaganda for white washing the true history & forgifying history.

Bani Amer the khallife governer of Estakhre who massacred 90000 Iranians in 29HG after they renaged on their oath to Islam and returned to practice of Zorosrianism...Abu musa the governer of Raey who killed 40000 fighting men of the taghaff rebelion about khallife ...Hojaj ibn yousef genocide of remaining 120000  Iranians in eastern Iraq , Razvan & Koofah for  rebelion against Jazieh that even even Arab Ibn ghotair called cruel & said "The blood of house of Fars will one day burn our trace" . Ibn Ashaari governor of Espahan killing 20000 Medeo-Persian Zorostrian nobility & academics , in summer of 24HG along with burning half Zorostrian houses .Abol-Ajaj of Shoush took 30000 slave just from the city of Ramhormoz to be sent to Medina & Koufa. Abdol Rahman Samareh governor of Sistan in 28HG  twice went back to put bloody rebelions headed by Mardapirouz down , ending up, with 50000 dead Sistanis ...and tons more........The rebelion of Mokhtar, Babak ,Beh afarid , Ghatran, Daylam, Azarbijan, Balkh, Beh, Rae, Fars, & massacre of millions never happened...

The Foreign powers promoted Kharabatigary , ommatism, imamzadeh parasti , Seyed bazi & indifference to their advantage so as to steal more while ommah is too busy playing soufi garii , playing with opium & reading some shaikh telling em to give up this world to Donya doostan..... No wonder  shameless British hated Ferdowsi khani in Fars & Richard Thornten burned a ton of Shah nameh in ashayer hands....

Misha, facts? You have no facts.

religion of Islam was not and could not be forced onto Iranians. Rarely was there any religion that could be forced on people anywhere in History. The only possible exception is cultures where kids were separated from their parents by force and taught different religions. That happened in the Spanish conquest of the new world and the British in India, Africa and Australia. Zoroastrianism was in terrible shape long before Arabs entered Iran and people were ready to move on.

"Killing" subjects because they revolted is hardly any evidence. Any ruler would have done the same be it Mongol, Persian or Arab. Normal rules of war and conquest are not "forcing" religion.

You have nothing to disprove Bazargan except lies and character assassination. Sorry, that does not negate his arguments nor his research. You have no researchers of any credibility "on your side", despite claiming you do.

The argument is stupid and it sells Iranians short. It basically says that Christians in Lebanon, Armenia, Spain and Ethiopia who had the same conditions, paid the same taxes had somehow stronger wills and more faith than Iranians did under Arabs. You said for a century Iranians were Zoroastrian by night (A BS claim with no evidence) but why didn't they continue to do that? Contrary to the picture you paint Arab rulers had no interest in running Persians' private lives. Initially, they didn't even house their troops in the cities. Later, they put Iranian local rulers in charge. If anybody wanted to continue to believe in Zorastrianism (as with Christianity and Judaism) they could have done so. And we of course know that some did, proving it was possible.

How do you explain the way Islam spread to China, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia and sub-saharan Africa where no force or conquest was involved?

These are stories created during Pahlavi era and encouraged by Western powers to make sure there won't be any unity in the middle east so they could continue to exploit it. Especially since the Arab world was aligned with USSR.

Please... take these racist fantasies somewhere else. We're fed up with this BS.

Facts...

(1) Iranians had no animosity with islam before revolution. In fact their positive view of their religion made them trust khomeini and follow him to the abyss that we currently are in.

(2) Revolution and Mullas claimed to represent islam and showed a very ugly face for islam.

(3) The atrocities of the past 30 years under the name of islam and mohammad and ali have created a generation of angry and anti-islam justifiably, both within and without iran. It is very hard for some people to see their country in such as disastrous situation, a country that need not be in such a dire situation. People are angry and have the right to be angry for the loss of their country.

(4) People have no time to do research on their own, but all indications (iranian and arab historians) are that Islam was forced on them, albeit by intimidation and severe taxing and ultimately by killing the trouble-makers. One example: Hajjaj-Ibn-Yousef killed many people of Khawrazm when they revolted against their moslim ruler. He killed anyone who could read or write Persian and Zoroastrian Priests according to Biruni.

(4) Mr. Bazargan has no credibility to talk about iran, as he is an islamic fanatic. Where was he to defend iran when his brother was PM and IRI was killing the youth by hundreds. He is, however, artful in "safsateh" and "maghlateh" by re-writing history in his favor. For a century iranians were mostly Moslim by day and Zoroasterian by night to prevent being killed or paying huge taxes (Jaziyeh). He can only sway an uninformed audience (like the lady in interview) without being challenged, just like khomeini did.

(5) However, dear author, the truth is on our side and thus you do not need to be angry even if you and the rest of caring iranians have reasons to be angry. The only solution to iranian problem is for the iranians to get educated about their history, their culture, and yes about their religion too without any fear of the truth whatever it maybe. That is already happening in iran. There are so many sources available that can be used as evidence of what really happened. For example, SUNY published the best translation of History of Tabari into English last year. It is a fascinating read, the whole series is $500, but every volume is only $20-40, with a couple of volumes relating to the period of invasion of iran by arabs. There other sources, like those of Kasravi, dashti, Ibn-Khaldoun, History of Balami, etc.

You are lucky, I am in a pleasant mood today

You think you can continue what you did so far in my motherland!!

As long as " you " call it "your" motherland : YES !

We had tolerant against you,but not anymore!

I don't know what you mean by "tolerant"...but as long as you don't have anything "against " us "anymore"...this is a very good news !

This is well.iranian.com blog?

No!! This is Iranian.com Website .

Is great " you finely admit you're AnIrani" ,this is first step fore you and your people,in future,when all you go home,sweet home!

Admitted ? Who did ? Did I say I admit it ?

My motherland will never be your fatherland!

Thanks God !! I want only my own mom be my mother and my Dad be my father...and I don't like swiches :D)

People in the world should know " who the hell Iran belongs to " and "who the hell the true Iranians are!"

Ok, now I assume that you are the hell true Iranian, but really "who the hell Iran belogs to"  ???

Is very hard,isn't it??

Ooooh Yes !! Very hard !! Not simple mathematics !

We dont care about you " so long you say the true and do the right deed"

Really ? You do hate the truth and right deed, that much ?

Is this English,enough for u! OR

No it's not. My English is very bad too, but still better than yours and Hajiagha...believe me I still understand what Hajiagha says, much better than you. 

You know ? All of us, AnIranian(!!) here do write and read in Persian too. How about you ?

Chu estas comperentes Esperantos!?

Oui, Je comprends mieu Esperanto ...than your English babe!

DONT THINK U CAN INSULT MY PPL AND I LET U GO FREE

This is my blog to screem to whole the world what the majory of ppl wants! IRANIANS,ofcourse! You think you can continue what you did so far in my motherland!!
You dont like it go to your blog and say what you AnIrani did fore my land! We had tolerant against you,but not anymore! You talk shit about our religion,history and culture! What do you expect! Approve from our side?? 1400 years more suffer and killing from your ppl??
Dont read,then go to your own blog and spread your lie!

I wright  the truth of our history!

Your lie we wont buy,anymore!

This is well.iranian.com blog?
If they changed to anirani.com blog,i whould not to care to come here! I wont let you ppl spreading all those lie about IRAN AND IRANIANS! Simple matematic!

Is great you finely admit you're AnIrani,this is first step fore you and your people,in future,when all you go home,sweet home!

My motherland will never be your fatherland!

I want my land back of your ppl,you are the who destroying it and make it another saudiarabia!

People in the world should know who the hell Iran belongs to and who the hell the true Iranians are!

Is very hard,isn't it??

Empera of your ppl is over!

Dont insult my land,my religion,my history,then i whould shit a care about you and your ppl! we say,thanks,but no thanks!

We dont want you!

We dont need You!

We dont care about you so long you say the true and do the right deed and just leave us alone,whith our religion and our culture and our history! Our herritage!

Iranians did not chose your damn way of life!

Is this English,enough for u! OR

Chu estas comperentes Esperantos!?

Lady !!

Here, is a forum for everyone to express their ideas. It seems that you still didn't get it !

You come here every two other days, say something you only understand yourself. Then when you get negative feedback, you call everybody names and insult them, say we are the " AnIranian" !!!

What's this need to come here, to provoke people and then insulting them in return ?

The Video

looool, that woman in the video interviewing shaikheh bii abaa Abdolali Bazargan . She can,t even make one coherent sentence in the whole segment . worse than Sen Jessie Helms heeh..

I SAID IRANIANS NOT ANIRANI!

You People chose islam whith your soul and mind!

U have nothing whith IRANIANS to do!

U all were the problem in my motherland,so far!

Bazargan is your ppl,and you're proud to bring his stupid speech,in youtub,here?!

YOU all are from same people! I never deny u never deny?! What's the problem??

Al-Qadesieh dont counts as IRANIANS! Old man!
Iranians became muslims whith force of your forefathers!

Dont mess whith my motherland's history-facts!

You can not doing anymore! Mulla or not mulla! This is the way of freedom!

To free my motherland from your people! IS MY LIFE!

Get a life Airie

Islam was not forced on Iranians. This thesis has been discredited by all scholars who have looked into this subject. Only irrational hate-mongers and racists continue to promote it.

You obviously don't speak English. I assume you can understand Farsi. Watch this and learn something so that you don't embarrass yourself in the future.
(watch from 04:10)

Dear airie

I agree with most of your essay except with couple of items & your approach to Islam .

My moto is very simple .

1- God  2- Iran  3-Personal beliefs.

1st & foremost there should be a spiritual belief in an universal God detached from any one religion  . Then You inject true Iran into the psyche of the nation as the higher priority over all other ism or ideologies be it ommatism, communism or so on . Once True Iranic values/language/heritage/icons is promoted & practised , it takes precedent over any other private religious beliefs , be it Islam,christianity , ...etc.. since they become irrelevent compare to God&Country . The path starts from Yourself by speaking the pure Parsi , practice , promote & cherish the true heritage & in time , folks will start to change one person at a time . It will take years & there will be tons of resistance via status que crowd but then nothing is gained by nothing .

Preach smart !!!

God bless & Keep well

You need to proof read your post

I command you for trying to convey a message. Unfortunately I have a hard time following your school of thoughts.

I would suggest you to re-read and proof read the essay and repost it.

Merci agha yah khanom

Please take your time

If you're trying to write a blog to express your views, please take time to proof read and correct your writing.  The presentation of your blog is poor, the text needs correction and the tone is angry and rushed.

Is this really the best way to communicate your views and ideas?

What is your point:

Are you just expressing anger and hate?  or are you inviting people to join your goal and your cause?

Maybe you're just frustrated and want to get some of this rage off your chest. Oh well, it's not like others haven't done the same thing before...   the results are not very favorable though, I suggest you reconsider your approach.  

IRANdokht

Little too much to drink?

Calm down;) You might not even be Aryan, have you had a blood test?