Sic Semper Tyrannis

Roozbeh jaan

I think that I made clear that the subject of this blog is not the everyday Iranian with leftist leanings, but rather the elitist, West residing "leftists" who, in practicality, do not follow any of the "socialist" teachings anyway.  Seriously, if Hamid Dabashi wanted to be a good socialist, he would be plowing a field in Iran, not teaching at Columbia and acting as  self proclaimed "expert in Palestinian cinema" (LOL at that one).

And as far as class, I really don't know what you're referring to.  I come from a lower middle class family in Iran.  We lost everything we had, including our modest home, in the Iran/ Iraq war, and survived on food stamps when we came to the U.S.  If anything, I should be a socialist.  But I realized long ago that socialism was a non-practical utopian ideology.  We are what we are: greedy humans.  We should deal with it accordingly.  To do otherwise will have disatrous consequences.     

Dear AO, I have been wanting to participate in this debate...

on your good blog. But I like to spend a bit of time and make my comments better than my usual silly responses on this site.

Unfortunately I have been too busy at my "honest days work" to participate! But I have made myself a promise to leave my humble opinion on the subject this weekend, although Mashti has done such a good job already...

Suffice to say for now that I am not a bit surprised by the hostile comments on Marxism. Our opinions and actions are mere reflections of our class allegiances, as Karl clearly Stated.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Die Elitist Scum!!!

10) (picking up where Oktaby left off): they have never done a honest day's work in their lives.  Almost all of these creatures are children of privilege (as Red Wine also pointed out). And most of them attended great American universities--some Ivy League ones--and mostly at Shah's expense.  And after that, they all entered academia and became great teachers who sacrificed...well...hours to shape young minds in Che Guevara's image (summers off, of course, for the compulsory trip to Iran to opine on the great progress of the greatest of all Islamo-socialist "revolutions.")

I wonder if Hamid Dabashi has ever mowed his lawn.  Or does he have an undocumented Mexican proletariat do it for him at minimum wage?   

MG

Surely, if anything, this blog and some of the comments prove a few things:  fossilized, scape-goat Cold war paranoia and that if "red voices" hadn't been systematically murdered and tortured, so many strange, extreme, superstitious, phallic-looking buildings wouldn't have mushroomed in the country in the first place.

The non-thinking nutters should ask themselves  simple questions e.g.: who does oil belong to? Who does "water" belong to? Followed by having a look at the First Havana Declaration of Human Rights without jumping up and down like nutters about Castro.

As for your question elsewhere, I give you a choice of explanations:

1. I became a monarchist

2. We worked hard and my field was plowed and we're expecting the tiny patter of twins' proletariat feet quite soon

3. as a voluntary sex-slave I'm not allowed to move. Even my slit-eyes.

4. I'm preparing myself for the gulags.

5. I've become so religiously spiritual that I just can't help but be obsessed with anything material.

And thank GGGGiyeman for taking the time for the introduction of elementary education  on IC. Luckily, as you know, the youth in Iran are way ahead of the retarded nutters here. I'm afraid I have to go and stuff myself a bit more now. Cliches await me.;) And may the force of Ayatollah Admin be with me.

P.S. As for the repeated idiocy of shutting down voices on IC by the nutters,because of a coincidental location of residence - I have every right to speak against injustice and every right to help out anyone wherever I happen to be, as does everybody else.

The argument is so beyond dumb! A child could throw it back at them. E.g. some of the crown-worshippers reside in places like France. So what are they doing in a republic? 

agha/khanm yaar , FYI my sympathies lies with

//www.cpiran.org/ We never could afford to have any illusions about IR or its defenders. Farokh Negahdar above all, is probably the epitome of what AO wants to expose in here, calling Negahdar a scum would be an insult to scum. Khalil Maleki and his comrades in Niroy Sevom  were a lot more significant that you make them. Your condescending tone on  Fadayyes is not appreciated.Looking forward to next tuesday and all other tuesdays after that, cheers

Mash Ghasem,

the reason I did not mention Niroy Sevom is because they were rendered impotent by Tudeh party and to be honest they did a good job of nutrulizing them and opening the way for bunch of gun toting and bank robber youngsters.
But you are right Jazani and his ilk critisized Tudeh for not moving fast and waithing for orders from their masters in 1953. They thought the fruit was rippe and was missed badly.
By the way it must be painful for you to watch a bigi like Farokh Negahdar and Atta. Mohajerani defending Khamnei and IRR. "Del Khoshdar" since it is not the first time and it is not going to be the last time in left arena.

AO jan thanks for a provocative blog

you're right on the first account: book knowledge is not worth much unless used wisely, and you're partially correct on Marx, he was a bit over-optimistic at times.

In an ideal situaton, per Prof. Majnon's recommendation: we should be able to combine, synthesis the best of all systems and make it work for us. Don't mind old farts and "left" overs of history, they're beneath your attention, the future belongs to your generation. Storm the reality studios. Cheers

Islam for Soosan Khanoom

The following are just few verses from Quran, do you consider reading Quran "bad mouthing", its for all to see and make their own judgement. As a Muslim and a woman do you agree with these? Can you see how these can be offensive to civilized people in 21st centurey?

Imposed Islam is the LAW in Iran, and as such everone should read it and expose it, if they don't beleive in this barbarity. More about Mohamad and Ali, later

Fight non-Muslims

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Quran 9:29

A woman inherits half of what a man inherits

"Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise."

Quran 4:11

A woman's witness testimony is half of that of a man's

"O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things."

Quran 2:282

A man may marry the wife of his adopted son

"Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way."

Quran 33:4

Turned into Apes

"And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all. Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people."

Quran 2:65

A man can have sex with prisoners of war

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Quran 33:50

A man can marry a girl who hasn't reached puberty

"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy."

Quran:65:4

A man may marry four wives

If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Quran 4:3

"Cut off their hands"

As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise."

Quran 5:38

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran 5:33

"Beat Them"

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Quran 4:34

Soosan Khanoom

Are you Serious?

I understand that it is important to respect others' religious views and i do agree that AO sometimes , (i said sometimes) :))) goes a bit overboard, But Are You for real?

We would be Kissing Shah and his family??? was that why people were much more satisfied with the quality of their life than they are now?

 i guess we should forget about the fact that at least we had Opportunities and Options, so that if we wanted to we could put our lives on the path to prosperity that we had pretty much the freedom to choose , Most important of all was the right to seek education. Higher education. With no Freaking restrictions or meeting certain god damn criteria and having to Jump through hoops!

Were people allowed to practice their brand of religion? Were bahais persecuted? were churhch pastors get nailed and hanged? were they harrassed? We had all of that and yet we were busy Kissing Butts? My god. How can you....

The brave innocent young souls would have never even had to think of fighting a war had they not been hostages to the whims of their leaders and commanders . What the hell are you talking about?

This was not like "any" other revolutions that took a wrong turn. Which one of them are you talking about anyways? France? the american one? Do you really think they ended up going down the path they were not supposed to? Let me guess, I guess They both should have attempted to make Pope Their Great leader.

MG, Divaneh and Red Wine

I frankly don't have a problem with people being paid fair wages for their work, and am not opposed to worker's unions, etc.  What I have a problem with, which I address in this blog as Red Wine correctly points out, is the mentality of these fossil 60's and 70's leftists, who after bringing us the 1979 devolution, STILL want to have their way with Iran and STILL want to somehow worm their way into Iranians' good graces and impose another failed political system on the country.  

Part of this, as I said somewhere else recently, is that these folks consider the  devolution to be their baby.  They were the ones who brought it upon Iran.  And they want to maintain it and put lipstick on that vile pig just for the sake of proving themselves right, even though most of these clowns have spent most of the post 1979 years outside of Iran in the cushy comforts of the West.  To them, anything but a revolutionary ideology in Iran will be tantamount to writing a giant "goh khordam" across their foreheads. 

Soosan Khanoon, you ain't seen nothin' yet

I love insulting people's religious beliefs.  It's my nature given right.  Here, check this out:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/fun-prophets

AO

you said book and school knowledge do not bring wisdom ........ AO  what then brings wisdom ?  ......... bad mouthing people's religion and their religious figures ? Is that what you call wise ..... I am sick and tired of those like you here at the IC community that can not have a decent conversation and in it not bad mouthing Islam , Prohet and Ali ....

if any of you were a man of wisdom you would not insult .......  no matter you believe in it or not ......... Learn how to talk ...  Learn how to debate ..... and yes learn to read some books ...... That is the only way to gain knowledge and wisdom .....

Now let me tell you something about 1979 revolution  ...... that was not an action that was a REACTION to years of Pahlavi's Dictatorship and Savak's tortures and killings.    if it was not because of the followers of Shariati  and Marx we would still be butt kissing Shah and his family ....... no one should forget the youth who got killed ... those who with their blood brought that dark Era down ....

Now nothing you say can change the facts ........  The  brave generation that gave their blood during revolution and during 8 years Iran Iraq war are to be remembered and respected highly .......  Thanks to them you now have  a country call Iran all in one piece .......

Having said that I should also say that like any other revolutions things did move to wrong directions .... but that by no means suggests that any of those youth are regreting bring about the revolution .......  

Soon we are going to see it going to be back to its right track and hopefully this time we won't let  anything but democracy by all means govern that land .......  now stop talking BS and stop insulting people's belief .......

Mash Ghasem is right

Choosing between Communism and Capitalism is not much of a choice. We have seen that both of these are difficult to control and both can cause misery. We however have no choice but to try and exert some control; otherwise the big fish will eat the small fish. The ideal system must fall somewhere in between and some European countries have been good examples of attempts to reach that happy medium. Iran too should find its own balance but unfortuantely the existing madness will not allow it to do so.

MG - Book and school knowledge do not bring wisdom

Marx was a delusional utopianist who underestimated and / or failed to consider fundamental human nature in formulating his theories.  

And in terms of Shariati, do you dispute the fact that his world view was Islamo- socialist in nature?

double post - delete

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Dude, Marx was an Eurocentric Renaissance man

Shariati  was a Third- worldist fool, without  even a degree. Marx finished his PHD  at age 26. One was a giant the other a midget.

Capitalism is not only desrtroying the world economy and putting all small capitlasits out of bussines, (somewhat like how big communists took out the small ones), it's also destroying the enviornment, creating avoidable world hunger, pushing the world to the brinks of disaster,..this thing is out of control. Good luck to all of us! cheers

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مش قاسم جان... اگر دقت کرده باشی‌ دوست خوب،ما اسمی از خلق کارگران نبرده ایم ! حساب این زحمتکشان جدا است و مطمئن باشید که اینان اگر متحد شود با دیگر انقلابیون بر علیه اسلامیون،پیروزی قاطی‌ خواهد بود.

منظور ما (حقیر.. پهلو خورد شده،دندان شکسته و انگشت دست ضرب دیده) آن پدر سوخته گانی بود که در خیلی‌ از امورات سیاسی به مملکت خیانت کرده اند و ما هنوز دود آن چراغ نفتی‌ ساخت روسیه را میخوریم ! خدا عالم است که اینان خیلی‌ بر حق ما جفا کردند ! این نسناس‌ها زر و سیم سرمایه داری در جیب داشتند و صبح نان داغ و چای شیرین و پنیر را زیر کرسی کوفت میکردند و سر اذان ظهر مصدق بد بخت را گول می‌زدند و در خانه ایشان آب گوشت میخوردند و گوشت و سر شب به بازار می‌رفتند و نان سنگک و ۵ سیر عرق و کباب دل‌ و جیگر میخوردند و بازاریان را از راه به در میکردند !

خدا را صد هزار کرور شکر که دست ایشان رو شده است و مردم دیگر گول اینها را نمیخورند.

در مجموعه چاکر خلق زحمتکش کارگر هستیم...

قاسم جان..مشتی‌... بالام جان.. امید است که روزی به دور هم جمع شویم،سازی زده ..شرابی به سلامتی شما نوشیده و بساط شادی را در ایران آزادمان فراهم سازیم.

و تمام.. :) .

Bazam khoobe Mash Ghassem hast

Ke harf hesabee bezane.

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مهمتر از تمامی این "چپ نمایانی" که نام بردید ، زحمتکشان  و کارگران
ایرانی، در داخلی ایران هستند، که آینده چپ در ایران را تضمین کرده و
میکند.
از محمود صالحی،  منصور اسانلو ، رضا رخشان تا  ده هاو صدها رهبران کارگری در ایران، خدمت تمامی این عزیزان به ایران کوشششان در ایجاد جامعه ای آزاد و برابر میباشد. سوای کارگران بد نیست در نظر داشته باشید که طی پنج سال اخیر،  روز ۱۶ آذر  در تقریبا تمامی دانشگاه ها تبدیل میشود به روز همبستگی دانشجویان و کارگران.  محدود کردن نگاه به تعدادی خارج کشور نشین, چپ نمای, مرفه تصویری ناقص و ناکامل به ما میدهد.
دوستار شما  و قریحه فرهیخته تان,  این طرفها سر زدید، چای زنجفیل و مخلفات در انتظار سرکار...

By the way, why do they call "Hamid Dabashi" leftist?

He is no leftist. Neither are several others that some commentators on this thread call them leftists.

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دوست عزیز...

تا به حال دقت کرده یی که تقریباً تمامی افرادی که در ایران زمین ادعای کمونیست بودن،توده یی،چپگرا،مارکسیست، مائویست کردند و میکنند..افرادی هستند که از خانواده‌های بسیار خوبی‌ هستند،بسیاری از رجال و شازده و سلطنت طلب زاده و فئودال و لیبرال و غیره..همه اینها تحصیلات خوب و بعضا عالیه داشتند و یا دارند.

حال سوال ما اینست که آیا اینها نمیدیدند و یا نمی‌بینند که این راه..راهی‌ است به ناکجا آباد ؟ آخر به کجای کار ایرانی کمونیست و مارکسیست میخورد ؟

عجب خیانتی اینها به ما کردند و هنوز هم زبان به کام نمیگیرند ،جالب اینجاست همه اینها در بهترین کشورهای دنیا زندگی‌ میکنند..سوئد،کانادا،ایالات متّحده (مسخره!!) ، آلمان و غیره.. عذر اینها موجه نیست،اینها دانسته مملکت را به باد دادند... در آینده سیاسی ایران هم قطعاً جایی‌ ندارند !

از بلاگ شما سپاسگزاریم.

My top candidate

for the lefty wacky fossil award is: Ardeshir Omani. This dude clearly falls in all the six points mentioned above. The runner up is Hamid Dabashi. Feel free to add yours.....

Yes

Ao jaan,

I posted that in July 2009 in response to obvious abuse of the Green movement and true opportunist nature of Trita et al. The islamic green was hard at work since the first day of the uprisings. He came to make speeches and stamp green on Green but when Shir-O-Khorshid flags showed up, he realized his IRR paymasters won't appreciate his presence. He borrowed two extra legs and ran out faster than Coyote chasing the road runner

Oktaby

Actually Mash Ghasem jaan

Shariati was a cheap knock off of Marx.  More specifically, he wanted to attribute Marx's delusions about "social justice" to Ali Ibn Abitaleb (a/k/a Ali Ghaatel) and create a weird clusterfuck of Islamo-socialism.  I gues it didn't come out as weird as expected since many of our fossil firends subscribe to it today. 

And as far as the financial collapse, here's the thing:  government cannot control human greed.  Never has, and never will be able to...at least not through peaceful means.  If there's a mouse trap, mice will find a way around it...and by mouse, I of course mean greedy human. The best defense from such disasters is a novel concept called "personal responsibility."  That's what people like me believe in.  With a free world comes free enterprise, and the most important element of free enterprise is personal responsibility.  It's kind of like being fat.  If you're fat, it's your fault.  You have no one else to blame.  Stop eating pies and chelo kabob and it will all go away. :-)

 //iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/youre-fat-im-thin-i-will-make-fun-you

Wow, Oktaby jaan - Thanks for the link

Is that NIAC's own Babak Talebi having a problem with the "sheer-o-khorhseed" flag and with fellow Iranians who don't share his ideology? What a .... 

On the money

7- They never leave Left/islamic utopia to another Leftist/Moslem heaven; even likes of China (too capitalist?), North Korea, Malaysia, Turkey. It is almost universally U.S. and Northern European countries with preference for U.S. France & England's educational & non-profit institutions so they can continue earning a cushy living by weaving more B.S. as they travel and lecture the clueless, leveraging logic & history of a parallel universe

8-Their most important accomplishment is typically having been jailed or tortured by people of same ideology (often their own mentors or protoges) that no longer let them in the club. In many cases they have been residing in the west since long before79 devolution and still do.

9- Partial list of names in no partiular order of significance, value or contribution: Akbar Ganji, Soroush, Mohajerani, Dabashi, Nasr Sr. and Nasr Jr., various islamist light funded organizations 'leading' green movement, NIAC/Trita (my personal favorite //www.youtube.com/watch?v=och26QdEEF8&feature... ), Sahimi, Sazegara, Noam Chomsky (honorary member).....

With friends and supporters like these, Iran needs no enemies.

Oktaby

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[This whole evolution, revolution word play is nonsense, baloney, and a waste of time; they both  have aspect and attributes of each other and complement one another.]    Brilliant.

MG

Wisconsin is just the first in line........  oh brother it is all going to arrive one after another .. but Liberal lefts in the U.S are no Communists ..... it is just a break from the Evangelists,Neo-con ,Armageddon Tea Party moron crowds .....by the way did you hear Moore's speech ?.... that was brilliant !  "  America is not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.."

Much more significant than " last man standing" are the millions

of workers protesting in the streets, throughout the world, and BTW the Wisconsin train just entered the station.

This whole evolution, revolution word play is nonsense, baloney, and a waste of time; they both  have aspect and attributes of each other and complement one another.

Universitiy campuses in Iran during 16 Azar of the past five years, don't resemble  anything like Pepple Beach. The students organizing those events on the campus are the leaders of today's social movements in Iran: get used to it.

but AO jan ... I am agree on

but AO jan ... I am agree on that age thingy .....  " baba peer shoodeed khejalat bekesheen  "  : )

that is why I am so pissed off with any old farts who are being invited and interviewd by various TV channels including Parazit to say something .......

 Young generation of Iran today would not give a damn about any of those old ideologies ..... let them fight their fight their own way ........ see this uprising as an evolution rather than back to that revolution !