Anonymouse

Thank you Tweet! Happy Festivus! (Sadeh ;-)

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Mouse

You're a cool cat :)

Yes Mehdi you understood my answers correctly - all nonsense!

Broken glass ... odd lumber... we buy them all ... selling democracy ... namakiyeehh ... Namaki

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Points that do not deserve an answer

Sounds like you are a supporter of Bush mentality.

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How do you decide who is a "regime supporter?"

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Most of the hot-headed people here immediately brand someone who disagrees even vaguely with their views as "dirty regime supporter."

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Personally, I have never seen any regime supporter on this site at all.

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But I know of people who have been accused of such.

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Besides, I am not even sure how one would decide on that.

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I think anybody, even Khamenei, has SOME criticism of the "regime." So how do we exactly define "regime supporter?"

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Are Mousavi,  Rafsanjani and Karroubi considered regime supporters? They don't want the regime toppled. How do you define that?

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If I do want significant changes in Iran but I do not believe in pouring wildly into streets and chanting and getting into a fist fight with the police or Basiji, am I a "regime supporter?" Who makes that judgement?

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Besides, I am not sure why you are so concerned about the "regime supporters." So what if they come in and write comments? Is it wrong for Ahmadinejad to come in here and write a comment?

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I can see that if he writes insults and personal attacks, somebody should control him. But insults and personal attacks are not limitted to "regime supporters." Some of these "peaceful" Greenies are very good at that themselves. So the issue is not really who they support or oppose, but HOW they do it. And that is what JJ sometimes has to correct - by deleting nasty comments or writing a blog and reminding people to stay civil.

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But be careful of starting a witch hunt! You'd be killing democracy before it starts.

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The answer to all this is very simple: it is all nonsense. there. Answered! Thank you and good night. 

And she thinks the current government is ignoring her! Haha 

No Fear point of the blog is to not engage in nonsense

Sargord and Mehdi brought up some very good points? Like what? asking rhetorical questions?  If we were talking prior to recent events in Iran, such as election fraud, mass protests, show trials, police and vigilantes beating people and being on camera, yes it'd have been different.

But now you, Sargord and Mehdi are one way or another putting these protests down and calling them riots.  Mehdi has always been a pacifist and on the other threads he is saying 1979 revolution was a mistake. He thinks people should stay home and do nothing and if people had listened to his pacifism Iran would've been Afghanistan and women would wear burqua. 

So unless you can conceed some glaring points, discussion with y'all is a waste of time and that is the point of my blog.  Giving attention when it is not deserved.

If you don't see massive shortcomings and massive inequalities in Iran, especially having the benefit of living outside Iran and looking inside, then obviously something is a miss.  So nothing of substance to really engage on since you're in one camp and I'm in other.  George Bush did not invent the 2 camps speech.  In 1979 there were 2 camps too.  I rather you call my approach childish, uncivilized and a joke than quality dialogue because I see your approach as anything but logical.

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cheh ashi baraye khodet pokhti :o)))

Now everybody is mad at you, hehehe!!

Don't worry I'll be your friend.  

Anonymouse ...

Read Mehdi's comment again. He brought up some very good points toward you which requires you ( as the OP ) to clarify since you started this discussion and his input is directly related to your post.

To my suprise, you didn't even engage with him and labeled him a " pacifist" followed by mumbo jumbo. Do you think Mehdi wanted you to tell him which way he swings? Was this your intention when you started your thread?

You did the same thing with Sargord, while he engaged you in the most civil and rational manner, you dodged his directly related post toward what you started and diverted your comment to something completely different from the issue at hand ( which again, you started).

Are you for real?

I give you points for inviting all posters to be civilized and blah, but your responses to your own thread is just blah blah blah. So , on one hand you are saying don't use profanities, but on the other hand you display and advocate how to NOT engage or have a discussion with those who think differently. Just ignore them and be witty in how you twist and turn the arguement.

I can't believe you wrote the following in your thread above;

Statements such as these would become the basis for our highly educated intellectuals to shower the rest of us with wisdom 

I am trying really hard to be civilzed here, but you are a joke.

I dont feel sorry but here's a link 4 pacifism & blaming victims

I don't feel sorry for either side in my blog.  I said do what y'all want to do but sometimes it looks funny and ironic. 

Now as far as blaming a rape victim, yes below link is Mehdi's pacifism and plain old being heartless, some would say ruthless.  Anyone can read and judge for himself/herself.

//iranian.com/main/2009/aug/azar-ale-kananpage1 

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Anonymouse be proud, the pinata you feel sorry for

below, is the one who blamed a rape victim by basically saying it was her own fault for sticking her nose into business of politics, instead of going to school and behave like a good little sheep.

The pinatas are the supporters of rapists and murderers, how awesome is that?

Namakie , namakeeee, ghatel, motajavaz, shekanjeh gar, namaki ay namaki

Mehdi you are a pacifist and you don't care one way or another.

Broken dishes ... pots and pans ... dried bread ... sex toys ... we buy them all ... old samavar ... selling democracy ... Namakiyeh ... Namaki

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"You are either with us or against us!" -- George Bush

Sounds like you are a supporter of Bush mentality. How do you decide who is a "regime supporter?" Most of the hot-headed people here immediately brand someone who disagrees even vaguely with their views as "dirty regime supporter." Personally, I have never seen any regime supporter on this site at all. But I know of people who have been accused of such. Besides, I am not even sure how one would decide on that. I think anybody, even Khamenei, has SOME criticism of the "regime." So how do we exactly define "regime supporter?" Are Mousavi,  Rafsanjani and Karroubi considered regime supporters? They don't want the regime toppled. How do you define that?

If I do want significant changes in Iran but I do not believe in pouring wildly into streets and chanting and getting into a fist fight with the police or Basiji, am I a "regime supporter?" Who makes that judgement?

Besides, I am not sure why you are so concerned about the "regime supporters." So what if they come in and write comments? Is it wrong for Ahmadinejad to come in here and write a comment? I can see that if he writes insults and personal attacks, somebody should control him. But insults and personal attacks are not limitted to "regime supporters." Some of these "peaceful" Greenies are very good at that themselves. So the issue is not really who they support or oppose, but HOW they do it. And that is what JJ sometimes has to correct - by deleting nasty comments or writing a blog and reminding people to stay civil.

But be careful of starting a witch hunt! You'd be killing democracy before it starts.

Anonymouse

No big-brown-eye Reza. o:)  Interest in the ME. Iran, being one of the key players, comes into focus naturally.

سرگرد شما کجا اینجا کجا؟

Sargord, for Islamic Republic it is always about talking the talk but not walking the walk.  As an example, when they say rule of law, why don't they prosecute the vigilantes who kill people or destroy property (breaking windows) with police watching and their crimes are documented in video, no photoshop pictures.  Or the prison wardens where young people actually died and continue to die under their guard?

You can't compare Iran to America on various issues (like I see you and other regime supporters do all the time) and cherry pick one side and ignore the other.

I can go on and on but as I said in the blog you know the rest.  The fact remains you're in regime's camp and until and unless you recognize the mass protests in Iran as rightful protests (not riots) by the same Iranians who overthrew the Shah and stay on their side the rest of your arguments don't matter.  

You can't be swayed or you'd have been swayed by now.  If you can't see the mass protests or the massive shortcomings and inequalities and injustice in Iran then nothing else matters.

My point in this blog is that you're treated like a piñata (do you know what it is?! If not see DW's definition below ;-) and given more attention than you deserve or bargain for.  On the other hand you're free to play with these big babies even if you don't believe what you say and say it just to play with them!  

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What do you call...

One thousand IRI supporters under the sea? A very good start. God save Iran from these lushkor/mordekhors and their filthy, turbaned arbobs!

 Long live a SECULAR and FREE Iran!

@Sargord: It is not a headlight :)

It is a camouflaged mini satellite dish.

Why so defensive? If you

Why so defensive? If you believe your cause just, why the need for name calling, invectives, accusations, reduction to the absurd, strawman arguments, etc.?

Why the need to propagate obviously fake new stories and fake photo?. Why is it when these are pointed out, they are not conceded? Instead, just more name calling and invectives.

It's almost always the same with you folks, I'm sorry to say.

Me? I have an open mind. I can be swayed. But certainly not by name calling and accusations.

And who wants to be part of a like-minded forum anyway? Where's the stimulation? Where's the free exchange of ideas?

If anything, you should be welcoming antithetical argumentation. I certainly do, when it is cogent and intelligently explained.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of that here at IC. But hopefully, given proper attention, this will change. 

BTW: Love the single-cylinder servi-car in the photo. Especially the red upholstery. But I think he's had a minor accident. The headlight appears to be pushed up and missing its lens.

So no Reza the cutie big brown eye silk black hair involved?!

Just kidding!  Don't even know if you're a man or a woman. If a man replace Reza with Shiva and respond!

Yes indeed Iranians are very brave.  Some say we had the last of the modern revolutions in 1979 yet 30 years later we're at it again! In fact the whole revolution business started around 1905 and then 1953, 1979, 2009 and counting.

Abarmard jaan there is no way.  A country as large as Iran we can always leave millions behind! Right?!

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Good point Anonymouse

The idea of freedom (Some call it democracy) should be including groups, with ideologies hard to swallow, rather than excluding them. Yet it's hard for a nation such as Iran to trust groups. We have to find a way.

Anonymouse

Like your culture and history, think your people in Iran are brave, particularly the young ones.

So whenever there is something on Iran in Cro dailies, i.e. human rights issue, I contribute info. 

No other connection, least of all religion. 

That's the correct definition DW! Full of candy & on sugar rush!

Thanks Rea. You're a Croatian. What's your connection w/ Iran? I know some of former Yougoslavia is Muslim but don't know if Croatia is Muslim related.

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Enjoyed this blog,

..... particularly the reasons for engaging in virtual fights with the regime supporters.

See, Anonymouse, you may not be such a small community, after all.  There are even non-Iranians who regularly come in here to read and spread the word. It's just that we are mostly quiet. :)

Definition

IRI Supporter:  noun, a plaything consisting of a person filled with toys and candy; suspended from a height for blindfolded children to break with sticks. 

Just kidding.  :)

BTW the "secular" pendant not a bad idea for i.com store.

Thanks Holly. I think he only collects dried bread/food items and not a full pledged Namaki!

Namaki ... baby's old clothes ... broken records ... pots and pans ... broken toys ... we buy them all or exhange with democracy ... selling democracy ... Namaki

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Anonymouse jan

Ghorbooneh dahanet! That's all I have to say.

p.s. LOVE the photo caption.

Some of the ways "I" oppose them?

The only thing out of touch bro', is the Islamic Regime.

You're wasting your time dude. 

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It's ok for regime posters AND anti-regime poster to spew crap!

I'm saying what would be the difference between a real regime poster and a fake regime poster?

Yes of course they don't practice what they preach but is that what your telling them?  I see mostly Islam is filth, occupation of Iran and similar stuff.

So oppose them by all means and however you like but some of the ways you oppose them come out as being out of touch and just hot air in a society that allows it.

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So...it's OK for the regime posters

to spew their crap, but not OK for others to counter them? Is that your point? And, what makes you think they open an account for the sole purpose of just posting stuff to piss people off?

They should thank the sky for being given a podium to speak their mind (if that's what they're doing) because thats way more than they are willing to give those who oppose them. So.....PAHLEEZ!

PS...I LOVE the word Secular. In fact I'm thinking of making a pendant with it and hang it around my neck!

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Our community is small and some like it to stay small

You know just about everyone here would say in a secular (word is starting to really annoy me ;-) democracy anyone can say anything because the community is so large that the fringe thoughts don't get much attention anyway. 

As an example in America we have KKK and more but they get lost in the society as a whole because of their small numbers and equal application of the law.  So when Iran one day becomes a democracy you can even have Mullahs marrying same sex Mullahs without fear of anything.

Now here our community is so small that a dozen regime supporters seem like an Army and a dozen freedom fighters seem they've cornered the regime and all that is left is to ask the people how to cook them; rare, MR, M, MW or W!

I don't want to say visiting Iran opens the eyes because well some people don't get a chance to have a visit but they are not the ones claiming to have it all figured out.

Yes some debates spun new discussions and blogs which is really good.  My blog was spun because of other blogs.

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Some good points here

However, at times there are ideas that flow around, which people debate over them. And among other things the usual gang who fight to win an argument rather than exchange thoughts.

Thanks for a nice blog.