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It is up to us to make my prediction be true. Once the IRI is gone people like you and me need to be there. We need to make sure to remind people of Bakhtiar. His patriotism and his selfless devotion to Iran. It won't just happen by itself it needs to be made to happen. 

Regarding the dead Arabs: it took centuries of sh** to get us here. It will take a great deal of work to pult them out of our culture for good.

VPK, I hope you're right

about Bakhtiar's remains, as it would mean that the allaince of reesh-o pashm has lost its grip and occupation of our motherland. However, even then, I doubt that we as a nation would value a patriot and nationalist like Bakhtiar more than we value dead arabs who've been our "divine" saviors for a long long time.

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IRAN FIRST

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VPK jon: you, please ... :)

Please don't get mad at me.

When I talk about idle worshiping, I really mean it.

Bakhtiar was 76 and has been abroad for 12 years before he get killed.

How many more years you would give him if he would die naturally? 10 years? more?

What do you think that he could accomplish more than what he had already did during this time? Would he becoming a leader for the Iranian opposition?

I doubt!

A few politicians among his close circle are still alive and they are not much less active and integrated than himself. They are continuing his way since then. Where did they get now?

I understand your sorrow and respect your views on his values.

But still stand my case: A murder is a murder, a horrible action. Nothing less or more.

Humanbeing

I agree. You put it well and that was also my point.

Souri: please! This is not bot parasti (idol worship). I am simply stating that some people have a greater impact on the world. The deliberate murder of Bakhtiar was done (successfully) to make the world a worse place. It was different than a regular crime just like Kennedy. 

Getting back to bot parasti: there is nothing wrong with honoring great people. If Ferdowsi had been murdered before he wrote Shahnameh that would have had a seriously negative impact on Iran for thousands of years. I don't worship Ferdowsi but I sure as hell respect him. How about a great inventor or scientist. Say Einstein or Newton? Again these people had impact far beyond a normal person. This should not be denied.

Rea: You are quite right. Rest assured that Bakhtiar's remains will in time be brought back home; honored and put to rest in a shrine made for him. Mark my words on this one. 

Well, easy on the French

There was a deal, who is to deny ?

However, don't let your anger blind you. For it was not the French who killed Bakhtiar !

If you wish to pay tribute to the 'grand homme', then make sure his remains are brought back to Iran and honoured.

vpk, i understand you

i understand why it 'matters to you more', it's the far-reaching impact of a person with his values, charisma, leadership and integrity. someone who can weather a change without resorting to destruction. he matters as an individual who has this impact, but his impact matters as much, if not more.

 we discussed this on another thread, in the context of another political assassination where the whole peace in the middle east was derailed. was assassinated. people as diverse as james baker and king hussain as well as the far left all cried.

think, if bakhtiar had not been assassinated, not only would the state of iran have been different, the whole region would have been different; indirectly, perhaps lebanon '82 wouldn't have happened, and everything in its wake, including hezbollah. just one example.

it is important to rise above partisan subtleties, and to think in terms of the good of the people in the country and the region.

The difference........

When there is a murder, the sorrow of a parent, a child, a lover.....is as deep (or even more) as the one of a political follower.

The only difference is that, the sorrow of loosing a political face, is shared by more people, thus the importance of than matter.

Many important people died, either by an attack to their lives or from a natural death. What is important, is not the life or the death of those people, let not getting into "bot parasti" and making idols.

What is important, is the effect of the Man's philosophy on the people and the impact of its achievement on the society.

We all come to this world to influence it during our living, then we will leave, sooner or later.

Some will leave with a greater baggage, and some don't. Life is precious, for each and every human being.

I deplore all action of killing a live body.

Souri Jan

Nothing to say about the French.

Regarding PM Bakhtiar's murder. I do see a difference between political murders and regular crimes. A political murder is done change the future of a whole nation. Therefore it does matter more than a regular crime. This is not about having Shapur Bakhtiar's blood. It is about an attempt to impact the lives of millions of people. That is why to me it matters more.

Dear VPK

Akheh maa kheili familim :)

Joking aside, I too, respect Bakhtiar.

But in the face of the justice, no one's blood is more colorful than others. A murder is a murder and the killer should be punished.

To be fair to the French (kind of sarcasm) they have even extradited Vahid Gorji who was the  author of a series of the bomb attacks in Paris in 86, which have caused lots of injuries to the ordinary French people who were doing their simple Christmas shopping.

The French government sold even his own compatriot to the Iranian terrorists. What do you expect more from them?

Souri Jan

Bar nakhoreh man ham famile Farnnsave; Almani va Englisi; daram.

I get carried away once in a while: sorry I will tone it down. But it really does piss me off that a man like Bakhtiar who I think of as a real national hero is murdred. Then his murderer is allowed to go. This was not just any murder. It was a political hit. Other heroes like Fereydoon Farrokhzad were alsoe murdered with similar indifference by German government. The European nations have been totally culpable in rise of IRI. These are democracies and that puts some responsibility on the people. Not all people are responsible. Many people oppose these actions. Many others simply don't pay attention. Nevertheless this is an outrage.

Of course in my opinion the biggest blame goes on our people: Iranians. We could have allowed Bakhtiar to remain PM. Saved ourselves  ten year war and 301 years of sorrow. So there is plenty of blame to go around!

Dialogue of murder A

Dialogue of murder
A cautionary tale that must not be forgotten.

Iran's clerical regime, which the European Union has unwittingly appeased for decades, continues to claim unashamedly that it does not condone, much less support terrorism. And yet, the testimony and documentary evidence including annual reports by the United Nations, the U.S Department of State, and other concerned bodies, human rights groups, and the world press have established beyond any doubt that the leadership of the Islamic Republic has throughout the past 23 years authorised, sponsored, and directed acts terror around the globe including the liquidation of over 120 Iranian dissidents in their chosen countries of exile by assassins dispatched from Tehran. It is a cautionary tale that must not be forgotten.

//iranian.com/CyrusKadivar/2003/January/Murder/index.html

FYI/French Socialists angry at Vakili Rad departure

Creating a Stir in France's Political Landscape ...

Clotilde Reiss, Vakili Rad : "la diplomatie de la posture" Benoît Hamon

VPK jon

Don't mix the Nation with the Government, baba jon!

naam bad naami ma famile faransavi darim ha :)

They are not a shameful nation! No nation is shameful. The governments are!

I know, I know, you didn't mean to say that, LOL

I forgive you.

True nature of France

was revealed by this cowardly and sickening act. It really shows what the French of made of. Yellow belly cowards who will submit to any dictator. 

A truly shameful and miserable nation.

Is Ghods force called travel agency now?

"Sorin Margulis, Vakili Rad's attorney, said his client intended to work in a travel agency in Iran." //www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/ali-vakili-rad-iranian-as_n_579907.html

Is Ghods force called travel agency now?

what else do you expect from those

who brought us Khomeini

Bakhtair was the man we needed TODAY

he was ahead of his time and still is even dead ! 

alas 

As the rumors say.....

Both, Bakhtiar and Vakili-Rad were costing too much for the French government. The cost of Bakhtiar's security was too high for the French to afford and also they believed that he was no more so much in danger, therefore they have  just left the door opened for somebody comes and rid them from the burden ! As we all know, Bakhtiar's son had denounced the possibility of a conspiracy  in the case of his father's murder.

As for Vakili-Rad, rumors say,  he was promised to be released much sooner than this! He wasn't expected to stay in prison for so long. There were more conspiracies happening behind the scene but it seems that the French have changed their words, after a change of government.

When you see these kind of exchange in the surface between those countries, rest assured that the real deal is under the surface and you don't know nothing about the true nature of the exchange!

And propably you will never know the truth!

Gutless French done it again

What else could you expect from a nation who have not had any principal for a long time. One of the most cruel to the freedom movements in their colonies where they had superior power and one of the most gutless in the face of the invading German armies where they were disadvantaged. The country who gave Iran the Khomeini and gave Israel the nuclear bomb.

Indeed a sad day for justice.

Justice will be served

This murderer will be brought to justice one way or another. This can not stand and it is a shameful act by French government.

Bakhtiar was and has been the true national hero. It was a lost opportunity that the Iranian nation never took. May he rest in peace.

Yes Darveesh I missed it so thanks

The French turncoats, why am I not surprised? Don't expect better from a country that elects a runt of a PIMP as their president. 

Mr. Fozolie

May he forgive those who didn't see the truth,

for their ignorance and may his soul rest in peace forever!

Ali Vakili Rad Released from French Prison

Did you people miss this news item? That is if you know who he is.

//www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/ali-vakil...

Website dedicated to

Not Just for Bakhtiar ... Also his secretary Soroush Katibeh

PARIS GATHERING: Shapour Bakhtiar and Soroush Katibeh memory honored in Paris (FRANCE)

A very sad day for Iran

Ali Vakili Rad served more than just his prison term in France.  He was serving as a good example for other IRI agents who might be asked to carry out similarly heinous terrorist acts.  His swap and release emboldens the Iranian government to do as it wishes, to plan and carry out murders of its opposition, and then to take foreign nationals as hostages in Iran in return for their freedom.  Whichever way you look at this, the Islamic Republic came out as the winner here.  Shame on France and Sarkozy for letting this murderer go. 

But let's also be fair for a moment.  At the end of the day, it is easier to blame France for letting Bakhtiar's killer go than to blame Iranians for treating him the way they did and for killing him.  Yes, all those people were Iranians, not French.

France24's report on Vakili Rad's walking free:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYUNCVnqww

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خداوند ایشان را رحمت کند.

Ali P: I do hope you're

Ali P: I do hope you're right and this bas**trd gets his comeuppance. Does Mr. Bakhtiar have any children?

Sad day?

Sad day because Bakhtiar's murderer is being released to his masters?

Not so.

Ali Vakili-Rad was in a much better place in a French prison. He now has to look over his shoulders, for the rest of his life, for a dose of justice, administered to him, by one of the followers of Bakhtiar, for what he did, or by one of the followers of the Supreme Leader, for what he knows.

So enjoy your short little time here on earth, while they are warming up your room in hell, Ali agha .

Yours,

Ali P.