Capt Ayhab

Dont get excited Q

Your whole argument based on my typo mistake;

both 2750BC & 2530BC meant to be 750BC & 530BC without the added "2". In rushing to type I simply mixed up the lenght of time 2530 yrs with date of inception 530BC. Come on now ,even a neutral observer would catch that.

you just said Pahlavis are irrelevent! Look the headline of my comment below. Why are we fighting? :)

Genious you just figured that out !. That has always been my personal view. Mind you here I,m talking from a cultural point of view. Yet you also recall in the same statement the phrase; "except in very rare short time spans". So in essence some of what , Saffarid, 9th & 10th century movement against priviledged status of Arabs, Zand, late Ghajar or Pahlavi did was notable & worthwhile it still was a mere drop in the bucket for fundamental change for the better.

As for Pahlavi's cultural/linguistic reforms, eventhough on the surface these look nationalistic yet once reviewed it shows these to be more superficial than infrastructural on some aspects. For example under Pahlavi students were still forced to learn Arabic as 2nd language, Non existent Iranian statehood post Sassanid was faked & made up to create legitimacy & lineage rather than start new and representing the reality of the hoax and setting a new path for our identity, Shaikhak poetry/philosophy was still glamorized, Most of the cinema & theatrical productions were of ommatie value based themes in which not one single production of Kiaani icons were produced(odd haa?), a lotta elite class of pahlavi era academic thoricians were nothing but ommatie sonnati cultural dinosaurs left over from Ghajar mentality, "Farsi" was not reformed fundamentaly lacking the strong will on part of status quo burocrats...etc. So in essence yes & no. As I said earlier I do akhnowledge Mr Reza Pahlavi with respect yet for example his speech on occasion of Cyrus day had more Arabic vocab than that of a mullah. So go figure for the so called keeper of Kiaan as he is called by capt here.

Spear; your friend Q :) suffers from self inflicted hypnotism in which hellucination takes over reality.

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

YAAAAAWWWN....

Another day, another hate blog by the "professor" (LOL) against somebody....this time, his favorite target, Reza Pahlavi...

Well, gotta go.  I have more interesting things to do than reading this hate speech, like watching a squirrel climb up a tree... 

SamSam, a gentleman as always

You note[Now, you claime that Reza Pahlavi is not relevant. Okay, If so, then why commit so many blogs  trying to convince every one that he is. ]

Excellent point. 

As a person I have nothing against him what so ever. He has all the rights to be what he wishes, as you and I do.

What has really p.o'ed me about him is his opportunistic character. When he election after election boycotted the event, but once all hell broke lose tried to take the center stage.

There is no doubt that we have had extra ordinary dynasties though out our history who have bestowed pride to us the citizens. One quality that never fitted the Pahlavi dynasty after Reza Shah was forced to abdicate.

Reza Shah, despite lack of any formal education, was an extra ordinarily brilliant and intelligent person. He did posses strong and admirable leadership qualities which brought us out of the dark ages of Qajar dynasty. Who ever doubting these qualities is basically a blind.

Sad part, none of his extra ordinary qualities were inherited by his children, specially his grand son.

My question to you. Knowing what kind of passionate patriot you are, would you settle for a man like Reza Pahlavi to run the country?

Thanks for your time and comment man.

-YT 

Samsam

The House Hezbollahi writes, "At some point, you have to come to terms with the painful truth that Pahlavi's frantic pouring of $millions into Achamenidean revivalism was a CIA anti communist PR operation."

Samsam, why do you engage deceptive mammals like this Hezi -- their entire purpose on this planet is to lie and deceive. Please don't waste your time.

As for our house "professor," Captain Ayhab, who's spelling is worse than my 6-year old niece, I only feel sorry for his students. This illiterate man tries so very hard to prove that Reza Pahlavi is irrelevant, and yet he spends 90% of his time on Iranian.com discussing Reza Pahlavi. I guess he enjoys wasting his time on "irrelevant" matters or maybe he has a secret man-crush on the handsome Pahlavi Prince.

Our house "professor" is truly a lost cause. He can't face the fact that his retarded, dahati generation screwed -- and I mean SCREWED!!! -- Iran. Monumentally! This guy is such a craven know-nothing, it's actually rather sad. On and on he goes on about Reza Pahlavi -- get a life, Captain. And look into the mirror -- here you are ripping apart RP about his "correspondence degree" when you can't even spell half the words you use in your bitter, illiterate comments.

Samsam, you want to teach me objective?

I could use a good laugh!

1-Your 1st paragraph is justa ommatie/leftie routin repetetive non-factual emotional sermon. No reponse needed.

You mean no response that you can make is available. I have done this long enough to know that "no response needed" is cheap and pretty transparent dodging of the question.

If Mohmmad Rezah Pahlavi was not a puppet, then the word has no meaning. As I mentioned, he owes his entire rule to US and UK, who kicked out his Father, installed his young ass to the throne after WWII and when he found himself in trouble, staged a coup to save his pathetic carcus. After that, they flooded Iran with "advisors" and "business representatives" who made all the important decisions. These are facts. I know it might offend you on ideological grounds, but the history is clear. He was a puppet. He owed everything to his masters. It's a pattern US repeated in half of the 3rd world.

2-Your 2nd paragraph is nothing but natural & expected Pan-Turkist ethnic inspired contempt for the Medeo-Persian heritage in general. No response needed.

Your response is an utterly uninspired adhominem based on a false association that your conspiracy-crazed mind came up with and I let you continue. I'm no "pan Turkist", not that this convinces you, but it doesn't really matter to mr or any other human beings.

3-Safavid nobility were of "Taajik" origin or the "dehghan" class of Azarbaijaan. Shah Esmaiil's father shaikh Saffi himself was a Sufi & a half "taati" "kurdish" & "Georgian" ,and wrote Persian poetry. So Saffavid elite were of Medeo Persian decent who found it militarily & politicaly potent to use Turkish speaking Ghezelbaash tribes as bulk of their army & command.

First of all, since when are Taajik, Kurdish and (even Georgian) not part of the Persionate world? Second, language is not an indicator of cultural heritage, as you know (but probably don't like to admit) we have many Iranians who speak Arabic, Hindi and Urdu and other languages as their native langauge. Persian peoples of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, as well as the northern tip of Omman are just a few examples. The fact that Ghezelbash spoke Azeri or even if Ghezelbash themselves were foreign army (which they were not), does not make Safavids "Turk".

Well, your "view" on "Iranian civilization" is very strange and apparently inconsistent.

This is what you say:

Iranian civilization in my view starts around 1200BC with the arrival of the first group of Medeo-Persian-Scythian-Pathian-Alan-Sarmatian migrant tribes into proper Iran,

However, only a few days ago, you said:

"Iranian" history starts with Media in 2750BC and "Iranian" statehood starts from 2530BC and ends in 641AD . .
//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observe...

LOL!

What statehood? 2530BC is even older than the Median empire by some 2000 years! And don't get me started on the heavy cultural influence of Assyrians and Babylonians (and even Egyptians) to both Medeo-Persians.

These influences, as well as Iran's Hellenic period (which arguably includes the Parthian empire) seem to be just fine with you, but the slightest Turkish or Arabic influences are deal breakers!!! Please... don't talk to me about being objective. How about you be a little more open minded and a little less eugenicist for a change?

Lastly,

The so called myth about Iranian statehood post-Sassanid is an Ommatie hoax. Any and all dynasties except in very rare short time spans were not representative of Iran or reflective of her Kiaani concept and hence irrelevant.

Samsam jan, you just said Pahlavis are irrelevent! Look the headline of my comment below. Why are we fighting? :)

Q, stay objective , dont distort & use logic

1-Your 1st paragraph is justa ommatie/leftie routin repetetive non-factual emotional sermon. No reponse needed.

2-Your 2nd paragraph is nothing but natural & expected Pan-Turkist ethnic inspired contempt for the Medeo-Persian heritage in general. No response needed.

 "I find it interesting that you refer to Safavids as "Turks"

3-Safavid nobility were of "Taajik" origin or the "dehghan" class of Azarbaijaan. Shah Esmaiil's father shaikh Saffi himself was a Sufi & a half "taati" "kurdish" & "Georgian" ,and wrote Persian poetry. So Saffavid elite were of Medeo Persian decent who found it militarily & politicaly potent to use Turkish speaking Ghezelbaash tribes as bulk of their army & command.

"while on the other blog claiming all pre-Hakhamaneshi civilizations in the area as "Iranian."

4-Me calling Pre-Hakhamanesh civilization as Iranian is a figment of your imagination. Iranian civilization in my view starts around 1200BC with the arrival of the first group of Medeo-Persian-Scythian-Pathian-Alan-Sarmatian migrant  tribes into proper Iran, Iranian History starts with Median presence & mastery in proper Iran and finally true Iranian statehood starts with Cyrus the great ascendency to the throne of Kiaan and ended in the aftermath of the battle of Qadesiyeh/Nahavand. The so called myth about Iranian statehood post-Sassanid is an Ommatie hoax . Any and all dynasties except in very rare short time spans were not representative of Iran or reflective of her Kiaani concept and hence irrelevant.

EOM

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Samsam, his Father was irrelevant too...

sorry to break it to you, but as a western puppet who literally owed everything to US and UK, he was practically irrelevant. The kind of extreme nationalism you seem to think yourself the guardian of, wasn't even his idea.

At some point, you have to come to terms with the painful truth that Pahlavi's frantic pouring of $millions into Achamenidean revivalism was a CIA anti communist PR operation in exactly the same way as your much feared pan-Turanianism was in Turkey. The west cultivated crazy nationalists in every country it could as a "natural defense" against communists.

This is why I find it interesting that you refer to Safavids as "Turks" while on the other blog claiming all pre-Hakhamaneshi civilizations in the area as "Iranian." The thing about history, is that it really can't be used selectively... at least not without being called on immediately.

Reza Pahlavi's "irrelevance"

These questions should not have been addressed to me since I,m neither interested in political part of the blog nor  qualify to defend Mr Reza Pahlavi's credentials but since you asked;

Let me make it clear before hand that, I share most of visionary patriotic ideas of Shahanshah Aryamehr which eventhough were not nearly good enough atleast carried the basic Kiaani principles for new generation to take note. In that aspect I have great respect for his late majesty. On Reza Pahlavi I must confess that I am neutral with a positive tilt due to his fathers vision. In that sense;

Shahanshah Aryamehr , I profoundly respect

Mr Reza Pahlavi,  I acknowledge with respect .

Now, you claime that Reza Pahlavi is not relevant. Okay, If so, then why commit so many blogs  trying to convince every one that he is. As for his track record, he has none. So what is your point. If any thing as in finance its much better to have no credit than a terrible credit like the majority of status quo opposition having a share in oppression themselves.

As for blood line not being relevant , a point of accomplishment or etitlement I agree with your argument yet I see your double standards to use the same blood line to lynch him for the sins of his father if any.

So if he is not entitled then why is he titled ?

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Issues? Other than incompetence?

Absolutely none other than his utter incompetence and irrelevance.

But I am open for dialogue to be proven wrong by his track record. But please blood line is not an accomplishment.

-YT 

Capt_Ayhab

You, having issues with Pahlavi kings is your take, be my guest & none of my bussines . You have the right to whine to eternity.  Yet now you are carelessly or inadvertantly bringing "Kiaani" concept into your little shows. Thus I,m reminding you that eventhough "Kiaan" literaly means "crown" yet above all it represents a sacred collective concept & metaphore relating to pre-Qadessi Iranian heritage.

Hence I advise you softly & friendly to go with extreme caution & do not trivialize that sacred concept to make a fast score . Lets keep it civil & objective.

&btw* The current crown is the legacy of Turkish Safavid Sultans & no relation to original crown of Kiaani Iran.

Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia