This is an open letter to all those who profess the Islamic religion.
Do you REALLY beleive in Allah, who is described throughout the Quran as ”the Merciful” as well as “Forgiving”? It seems that many of your comrades in faith do not and merely use His name to destroy people’s lives and freedom!
I have not forgotten how some of you threatened the life of Salman Rushdie in 1989 for writing his novel The Satanic Verses. Did it ever occur to you that if Allah really found what he did to be that offensive, he would have struck down Rushdie Himself? The fact that He never did is evidence to me that either Allah could not do it (why worship such a weak god?) , or that he didn’t see fit to (why do yourselves what He would not?). In short, Allah willed the act of “blasphemy”. So why not condemn Him too? Why is your faith in Allah so weak, that you deem yourselves to be more of a judge of what is worthy of death than Allah Himself? Note that the one who passed the death sentence on Rushdie with a fatwa, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, died soon afterwards, while Rushdie still lives today! It seems clear that it was Khomeini who was the blasphemer, not Rushdie!
Do not be so foolish as to make anyone or anything, including the religion of Islam and the deeds and words of the Prophet Muhammad, above criticism! Remember that Muhammad himself strongly criticised the Jewish and Christian religions, even while stating that their followers were “People of the Book”. Likewise, allowing criticism of Islam in public is in keeping with the verse in the Quran that declares: “There is no compulsion in religion.” (Sura 2:256). How can there be no compulsion in religion if you threaten critics of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad with death, you hypocrites!?
Islam is not superior to any other religion. If you think otherwise, then why would Allah will the existence of other faiths? Why is Christianity still the most popular religion at nearly two billion followers? Is it not possible that Muhammad intended Islam for Arabs only rather than for all the peoples of the world? Why insist on one truth for the whole world when science cannot even find the existence of Allah anywhere, let alone the dogmas of Islam?
The Quran is but a book, revealed by Muhammad. To say that it is equal to Allah himself is blasphemy, yet I always get the impression that you seem to think every word of the Quran should be beleived in and obeyed absolutely. NO! Don’t you know that the Quran was not even completely assembled until several years after the death of Muhammad? How can we be sure all of it is accurately transcribed and really from the Prophet?
I am disgusted by the practice of older Muslim men marrying girls as young as 12 and making them fall pregnant. What a violation of the girls’ dignity! Yes, I know Muhammad married a nine-year old girl. I also know that he and Aisha never had children, so it is possible that the marriage was never consummated. I’d rather beleive that than assume that he was a pedophile, as some have alledged! In any case, are you forgetting that the Prophet was a man and not to be seen as equal with Allah himself? Why assume that if Muhammad did something 1400 years ago, it must be right to do even today? Have you no minds of your own? If you are given brains by Allah and do not use them to determine truth from falsehood and morality from what is immoral, those brains are wasted and thus Allah is dishonored. If your only sources of truth and morality is Islam and the actions of Prophet Muhammad, what will you do if it is revealed to you on the Day of Judgement that Muhammad was not a Prophet at all? Honorable Skeptics like myself don’t worry about that, because we have morals that do not depend on any faith.
It is said among Muslims, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his Prophet.” But an atheist would say, “There is no god and Muhmmad was no prophet.” If a Muslim denies Hinduism, the Baha’i Faith and atheism, why can’t the atheist and the Hindu deny Islam? (the Baha’i would not; all Baha’is see Muhammad as a Prophet.)
How dare you claim Islam is Allah’s final religion! Why put any limits on the Word of Allah? Why tell him to be silent and speak no more? Isn’t that also blasphemy? I think so!
Remember what the Quran also says, in Sura 109: “Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.” Follow THAT, and you will follow the example of Allah, who is Merciful.
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COP.
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 03:02 PM PDTAs I told you I'm going to look for that blog. I may not be able to do it until tomorrow though. In the meantime, since you couldn't understand that my second post on this thread didn't say blogs of this type should be banned, and I told you I'd explain it to you, I wanted to do that now. But I've realized that to make things easier, I should start off with just one question to you.
COP, do you know the difference between posted and featured?
Whether you do or not. I have some other things to say to clarify our misunderstanding. But to begin with, could you just please answer my question.
Rea
by khaleh mosheh on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:58 PM PDTThanks for the link- Fantastic music .
Clearly I now should make it a habit to listen to Corsican folk music.
Take care.
irandudee3
by Anonymous8 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:37 PM PDTarab, and persian and indian and black and white and chinese.
plese correct yourself!!!
khaleh m.
by Rea on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:34 PM PDTYour link reminds me of:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVoJ0hyIwE
So, relax and enjoy beautiful Corsica ! ;o)
Late here, nite.
Islam= an Arab religion
by Iraniandudee3 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:20 PM PDTA primitive religion from the deserts of Arabia. If you're not an
Arab and a muslim, then you're just a wannabe. It's fit for these
people ONLY.
I suggest Iranians and other non-Arab
muslims go back to their actual faith, the first monotheistic religion,
or Zoroasterianism for Iranians, which makes a hell of a lot more
sense than Islam.
Relax?
by khaleh mosheh on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:13 PM PDTThanks for your advice. I did attempt to follow it and relax by doing some yoga but got a cramp mid-lotus postion.
So as an alternative I brought out my Avesta to read and meditate but unfortunately my middle persian was rustier than I had remebered. So the only way I could take your advice and relax was to listen to this trans-temporal collaboration between Shahram and Sohrab..Hope you enjoy it also...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=icsucw2Xq_M
dale get a life!
by Anonymous8 on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:08 PM PDTyou don't have to be christian to be a hater.
you are a hater. that is obvious. this is hate speech agains one group of poeple. if it was jews, it would be removed yesterdy, but because muslims are preferred target, it is encouraged.
Relax!
by Aryana-Vaeja on Thu Aug 05, 2010 01:46 PM PDTDale is an ex-Bahai and agnostic. He is not some Christian missionary. Also by the standards of Islam-bashing on this site, this blog is seriously tame by comparison.
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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer
Mr Honourable sceptic I presume?
by khaleh mosheh on Thu Aug 05, 2010 01:35 PM PDTIt is interesting to see a missionary adopting a position of supercilious superiority. I can tell Dale husband you like to be giving it out straight as the fancy takes you. The blog implies that somehow because the readership here is predominatly is of Iranian lineage,we are somehow condoning things such as Khomeinie's Salamn Rushdies fatwa. The problem with that approach is that most of us I suspect are as appaled by the Fatwa as any non Iranian and to insinuate that we are somehow complicit in that is a cheap shot and at best is worthy of deviant catholic proests who in one hand preaches the virtues of a life of celibacy and in private abuses his underage charges in a most disgraceful way.
The aggressiveness with which you are treating the respondents here evidently forms the icing on a pudding whose main ingredient is self promotion.
Like I said, rosie, no drama
by Cost-of-Progress on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:45 PM PDTYou really have nothing better to do, do you? Every single day, you look for someone to pick a fight with.
You said what you said and now won't own up to it. pitty......you can't change what you wrote darlin', it's all a matter of how you say what you say and the innuendos.....
You won't happen to be one of those western converts now, would ya?
CoP, the thick headed.....
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Rea, get real
by Dale_Husband on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:37 PM PDTI'm not Iranian. But we have a young Iranian woman coming into our family. And the baby coming soon, too.
Irrelevant issue.
I find your blog appaling.
Others may find it appealing. Freedom of choice, you know.
Who are you to tell people to drop their religion? Why don't you go to those catholic and protestant sites and tell THEM to get a life ?
I said nothing about dropping Islam. Just not being hypocritical about it. And Protestants and Catholics are another irrelevant issue. That's merely a smokescreen on your part.
Lucky you, lucky me as well, Iranians are polite!I'm done with you, with this blog too.
Goodbye. If you ignore the truth, that's your business. No one else need take you seriously.
Dale Husband, the Honorable Skeptic
Dale H.
by Rea on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:23 PM PDTI'm not Iranian. But we have a young Iranian woman coming into our family. And the baby coming soon, too.
I find your blog appaling.
Who are you to tell people to drop their religion? Why don't you go to those catholic and protestant sites and tell THEM to get a life ?
Lucky you, lucky me as well, Iranians are polite !
I'm done with you, with this blog too.
WHAT?!
by Dale_Husband on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:21 PM PDTFrom the other thread:
//iranian.com/main/blog/amil-imani/islam-i-left-behind
{{{Racist Liarby Mammad on Thu Aug 05, 2010 07:28 AM PDT
Propagating racism does not take courage, as Dale Husband claims, it takes bigotry, imbecility, and utter disregard for all human values, which Imani has been know for for a long time. Go back to your circles, Imani. The stench of your racism is madenning.}}}
What kind of an idiot equates criticism of Islam with racism? Muslims are NOT a race! They include Arabs, Persians, Indians, Turks, Africans and Europeans.
Dale Husband, the Honorable Skeptic
Strawman
by Dale_Husband on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:11 PM PDTSo you conclude Christianity is better than Islam. What a farce, you sound like any other racist anti muslim that we encounter here and everywhere in the West on a daily basis.
Christianity only LOOKS better because it has been subjected to centuries of secularism to deprive it of political power. Islam's appearance would also improve dramatically if it was also subjected to secularism. If both religions decline as a result, that's still better than tyranny that breeds hypocrisy. Truth is more important than outer appearances anyway. I made no conclusions about Christianity itself in my essay. You did.
Dale Husband, the Honorable Skeptic
Dear Dale, you wrote:
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:12 PM PDTI fail to see how your criticisms reveal anything unethical about my blogging practicies
Me tpp. Neither do I. Please explain to me how specifically you arrived at the idea that I accused you of being, or implied that you were, unethical. Then I will comment on that.
Or if you prefer, I will just explain without your doing it first. I don't think you're unethical at all. I was trying to imply other things that have other words.
Let me know if you want me to give you the explanaton first. Please reply.
'You seem to be hostile towards everyone. Not a healthy sign.
Everyone is a wprd woth a very specific meaning. Please go up this thead and count the number of people on it, the number of people on this thread, the number of people you feel I've been hostile to (you can count yourself of coure, if you like..), and also the number of people who, in witnessing this hostilityof mine so-called, have been critical of it.
Btw, you might as a matter of interest want to go back to the Imani thread if you haven't already and take note of my comment and Mammad's. There are people here who don't like Mammad but he has the reputaton of being one of very few people here who is on the Leftist 'camp', and also is a devout Muslim, who many of our prominent bloggers on the center-right respect very much and like to debate with. He mentions you in his post.
Enter the Christian aetheist!
by Mola Nasredeen on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:05 PM PDTMan you are all wet when you say:
"Why is Christianity still the most popular religion at nearly two billion followers? Is it not possible that Muhammad intended Islam for Arabs only rather than for all the peoples of the world".
So you conclude Christianity is better than Islam. What a farce, you sound like any other racist anti muslim that we encounter here and everywhere in the West on a daily basis.
Interesting comments
by Dale_Husband on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:53 AM PDTRosie, I fail to see how your criticisms reveal anything unethical about my blogging practicies (yes, I copy blog entries I wrote before, but others were also copying my own blog entries into here, which drew me here to defend my own work) or inaccurate about my statements about Islam or Muslims. You seem to be hostile towards everyone. Not a healthy sign.
No, I am not Iranian or Persian, but I will always have a connection to them because I was once a Baha'i, which originated in Persia. In many respects, Baha'i Faith is a highly Westernized form of Islam, just as Christianity is a Romanized form of Judaism.
No, Rea, it is not "stupid" to talk to Muslims directly in their own theological "language". That's sometimes the only way they may listen. If I didn't understand Islam and the Quran as well as I do, I wouldn't have been able to write the above essay. The sad irony is that Muslims themselves have contributed to Western anti-Islam stereotypes by their own behavior, even behavior the Quran does not promote! And are there many Persians who are Catholic?
Dale Husband, the Honorable Skeptic
One side accusations have taken Iranian.com down the toielt!!
by Javadagha on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:52 AM PDTIslam bashing is tolerated in the media. Go ahead, spew all you can!! Muslim men marrying young girls, Christian priests fuck anyone who they can their dick on.
After Amil, these one side accusations have taken Iranian.com down the toilet.
Mitra ps COP
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:38 AM PDTMitra, when Ari called me an Orientalist on the Chashm quiz thread a couple of days ago it was a joke. The entire exchange between us, and later Ben, was verbal repartee.
Now you didn't participate on that thread but I really wish you had because I see you misunderstood one specific exchange between me and Ari, the one where he called me an Orientalist and I called him a Neo-Colonialist.
There was someone else on that thread who misunderstood that same brief exchange. That was Anahid. And she was offended by my post to Ari. So I explained it to her but I wasn't sure she understood because she never answered me.
I really wish you'd been participating because then I would've realized you'd misunderstood the same exchange that Anahid had, and I would've taken more care in explaining it. To both of you at the same time.
Having said that, I really still haven't explained it all very clearly, have I? Would you like me to go back to that thread and do it? I can wriite a new post, addressed to both of you, you and Anahid. I'd be happy to do it. Just let me know.
PS COP, Blog you requested and reading lesson comin' up.
Dear Mitra,
by Rea on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:45 AM PDTMy family is catholic. Even if, with exception of my mother, most of us are happy atheists.
Whatever.
My nefew if getting married in Sep to an Iranian girl. And I don't like people questioning her religion, least of all Bahai' bashers (have read DH' blogs before).
PS. A., I'm not new to IC, even if we've never interacted before.
Rea, this blog is no rubbish. It includes some valid criticism..
by mitra northcal on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:18 AM PDTThis blog is not rubbish like Rea says. It actually includes some valid criticism of how Islam is practiced by some. It is not even anti-Islam since in few instances, it gives the benefit of doubt to Islam.
PS. How about the honourable blogger
by Rea on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:16 AM PDT.... come to a dominantly catholic site telling people: "Catholics, get a life!"
A propos, why is IC featuring rubbish ?!
Wow, Rosie, today is COP whom you are attacking
by mitra northcal on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:10 AM PDTRosie, yesterday, it was me. Today it is COP that you are attacking. Ari was smart to call you Orientalist. You write as if you are the smartest on this site. You are also acting very self centered. Remember, site is about Iran not about you. Maybe you need to write it down 100 times:
Iranian. com is about Iran and Iranians not about Rosie, used to be Rosie, Roshan. etc.
Iranian.com is about Iran and Iranians not about Rosie, used to be Rosie, Roshan, etc.
Oh, if that's the problem you're having,
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:09 AM PDTthat I accused you of something you didn't say--or rather something you said you don't remember whether you said or not but you might've--I'll be happy to look for it again
ONCE YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOW ME THAT YOU CAN GRASP TBAT IN THAT SHORT EXCERPT YOU PROVIDED OF MY FIRST POST THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT SAYS ANYTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT BANNING ANY BLOGS.
Do I REALLY have to walk you through this? Do you REALLY have that much trouble reading? Okay, fine, I'll walk you through those couple of sentences and explain to you what they say. But not now. I have to go.
Then IF and only IF you tell me you understand that I didn't say anything about banning, I'll look for the blog again.
God you're thick.
Religionists, get a life !
by Rea on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:04 AM PDTBlogger included.
How stupid can one get ?!
No Drama for me -- Rosie
by Cost-of-Progress on Thu Aug 05, 2010 09:02 AM PDTYou accuse me of saying something I did not say, but cannot produce the proof that I did. Now you want me to blog about you (it's all about you) when I really don't care that much, so ..nah.....Not interested, you like the spotlight I know, but I don't do khaleh zanak stuff.
I accept your apology though.
BTW, you advocated what you advocated. That is your right, so be a woman and admit it. This is regardless of how thick my head is.
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ps COP, one last thing
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 08:55 AM PDTGod, you're thick headed. And of course the problem with people as thick-headed as you is that they're too thick-headed to know how thick-headed they are. And no matter how many times you might try to explain it to them, they never will.
Waiting for your blog about me.
Thanks, Fooladi,
by Rosie. on Thu Aug 05, 2010 08:54 AM PDTI'll take your advice.
As for you, COP, I told you I'd look for that other blog again when you showed me in that excerpt where I said these types of blogs should be banned. It isn't there. You just can't read.
Anything else you want to discuss with me about myself, set up your own blog addressed to me and ask me, and TELL me, anything you want. And I will answer you.
Not that I expect you to be able to read then either.
I did, I read it
by Cost-of-Progress on Thu Aug 05, 2010 08:26 AM PDTwith my lasiked bionic eyes and it still tells me the same: You advocated the blocking of such blogs.
Look, I know you like drama, but I don't. Still haven't told me what your fascination is w/iran; about reading/writing Parsi...my my. I hope its the love of an ex, or current boyfriend - perhaps a student, and not anything less noble.......do tell. (I like this kinda drama....wink wink)
Found that blog yet?
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Rosie: Hyde park corner...
by fooladi on Thu Aug 05, 2010 08:22 AM PDTis what this site is begining to look like to me, albeit more "regulated".
I have no problem with it, do you?
As far as this blog goes, i did not go further than the title. I suggest you do the same and let it go.....