Biggest patent fraud! 'The Sumerians' is the 'Source Code' of all 'Religions''


Biggest patent fraud! 'The Sumerians' is the 'Source Code' of all 'Religions''
by Iqbal Latif

Man made cuneiform clay tablets of 'The Sumerians' are the 'source code' of all religious myths and fables. What is man made should be worshipped and revered as man made.

We are product of our ancestors 'Tree of life!' Sumerian, Egyptian and the Harappan are mother civilisations and from their womb all scriptures were born! Our human religious myths and civilisation of today is a residual consequence of our historical comprehensive digressions over eons of the cultures, customs, thinking and philosophies of three riparian societies. These three centers of civilization all arose in the ancient near east. They were Sumerian, Egyptian and the Harappan culture of the Indus Valley. All these three great early civilizations gave birth to a wealth of god and goddess and legends that we humans have embraced today. Distorted versions of the river valley civilizational gods made way and created the fabric of the basic legends; 100's were exported around the world and passed on from generation to generation to the present time. At the heart of these myths are the gods and the relationship to afterlife. From the earliest times we humans are caught in forming deities, the concept of the spirit, paradise, hell, divine retributions and search of immortality. Adam, Eve and our over eager Abrahamic religion scriptures are product of this fundamental past time of man.

One motivating trait of these three civilizations is the time line for the appearance and growth of these cultures. They all started around 3500 BC and lasted until 2000 BC. given the long period of time where early human progress was only stone age one questions what triggered the inception of these three civilizations came into being at the same time - and relatively close to each other - was civilization was a "gift from the gods". so authoritative was its metaphors, sacrament and oral traditions that the religion of Sumer influenced the entire near east and beyond. These pagan beliefs were absorbed in all the cultures of River Civilizations. Indus Valley "script" remains yet to be cracked, Harappan imagery shows roots to Sumer and Egypt. The most obvious is the 'Tree of Life'. The story of the Tree of Life with all its diverse interpretations is the strongest consistent fable shared by the three great river valley civilizations. It is the Mes and Huluppu tree of Sumer, the Pipal to become the Bhodi tree of the Indus Valley and the sycamore-fig tree (Hathor's tree) in Egypt. From the marvel of the 'Tree 'gods were created, immortality was sought, wisdom was procured, cosmic and the concept of paradise and hell was The 'Garden of Eden' and the Biblical description between the Tigris and Euphrates the 'human' Paradise Lost is just another such myth.

As late as two hundred years ago, the existence of Sumer was unknown. Scholars searching the Middle East for traces of the antique civilizations of Babylon and Assyria known to them from Greek classics and biblical references began discovering evidence of the seminal Sumerian civilization from which much of ancient and even modern civilization has evolved. Sumerians first appeared about 4800 B.C. at a place called Al-Ubaid. Archaeologists translated their forgotten cuneiform tablets and uncovered written accounts of prehistoric events. The clay tablets were written by the Sumerians whose earliest existence currently dates back to about 3500 BC. but suspect the Ubaid culture to be pre-Sumerian. These tablets richly describe their existence. With the creation of writing the straightforward village life could develop into multifaceted civilization. They urbanized schools for an cultured elite and for the many scribes who were essential for all the record-keeping and letter-writing they liked to do.

Theirs was mother of all civilisation, they left the myths that Homer built on and Genesis was written by someone who read these stories and corroborated them to almighty. Archaeologists find these Sumerians clay tablets as a key to unlock our human civilisation still vague chronological mysteries. They built the first cities, developed the first monarchy, had the first written language, had a highly developed art, their math was based on the decimal - units of ten, base 10, for commerce and base 60 for astronomy, invented the calendar and the zodiac. They also knew of metallurgy and knew how to make bronze alloy. The Sumerians also had a system of laws upon which the Hammurabi Code is based, and created the wheel? They created basis of Abrahamic myths of today. Noah's flood is not original story of the Genesis it was written 3000 BC on the tablet of Gilgamesh in The Epic of Gilgamesh translated by Robert Temple is the earliest known written record describing a great Flood in the Gilgamesh Epic. During the next few centuries they established other cities primarily along the southern half of the Mesopotamian river system. Sumerians were creative writers and scrupulous record- keepers: their cuneiform tablets show the Sumerians established great city states at Ur and elsewhere, absorbing the indigenous peoples and extending their influence beyond Mesopotamia to the Mediterranean Coast, the Arabian Peninsula, to Egypt, and India.

Greek myths are rooted in these tablets. The Greek myths are known today primarily from Greek literature.Human myths are continuity of stories and fables. The Sumerians, great epic poems of Gilgamesh and Arrata are root source of the oldest known Greek literary sources. The epic poems Iliad and Odyssey, focus on events surrounding the Trojan War. Two poems by Homer's near contemporary Hesiod, the Theogony and the Works and Days, contain accounts of the genesis of the world, the succession of divine rulers, the succession of human ages, the origin of human woes, and the origin of sacrificial practices. The Iliad and the Odyssey’ two of the best Greek epics written by Homer, and ‘The Aeneid’ written by Virgil, the best known of Roman poets. The two common ideas woven into the Odyssey and the Iliad are custom and recklessness. The gods, to keep order, handed down customs. When men were wild, alluring the rage of the gods with hubris, they invited vengeance and bedlam by exalting themselves. In fact, if the laws of the gods were submissively followed, life had the probable for eternal good. In my modest estimation, most of the text of scriptures is the continuity of great epics.

The Homeric Hymns created Gods and strengthen religious myths. This was the era where we 'humans' considered ourselves at the centre of the universe. Greek mythology has had extensive influence on the culture, the arts and the literature of Western civilization and remains a part of the Western heritage and language. Gods, myths and legends about after-life finds their roots in ancient Greek philosophy. Narration of ideologies is 3,000 years of hearsay based on which our modern contemporary practices we deem puritanical and unquestionable are founded on. Today, all history looks to be genuine as long as it is old enough, here we are talking about ancient times when there was no communication or any written records. Most of these fables do not stand any test based on logic and rationale and, therefore, in times to come, all these scriptures which are in terms of rhyme and structure, nowhere near Greek epics, will be treated as those epics. The reason this debate interests me is because of the fact that we as humanity at large are still victims of these near mythological and fiction stories which were interwoven by early man. We conscious beings from time immemorial to now have a preoccupation with 'The myths of origin or age of gods.'

Mayans cultivated the concept of "The Gods told us to do it." One precursor of consciousness is that a 'conscious being' does not want to die, he wants to live forever. The notion of heavens and hell originates from this inner most craving. The similarities of fear of death and yearning of afterlife by the mortal Kings, in the magnificence of Greek epics and fairy tale nature of religious sacred legends like that of Isaac or Ishmael strike a chord with me. Modern Religion and today's divinity is the refined form of our common heritage which is built upon these myths of our own fantasy of imaginations. 'The Histories' by Herodotus is considered as the earliest work of history in Western literature, The Greeks believed that the people who first worked with bronze and iron came from the same area, they called them 'The Iliad and the Odyssey' two of the best Greek epics written by Homer, and 'The Aeneid' written by Virgil, the best known of Roman poets. The two common ideas woven into the Odyssey and the Iliad are custom and recklessness. The gods, to keep order, handed down customs. When men were wild, alluring the rage of the gods with hubris, they invited vengeance and bedlam by exalting themselves. In fact, if the laws of the gods were submissively followed, life had the probable for eternal good. In my modest estimation, most of the text of scriptures is the continuity of great epics.

Our narcissistic feeling that we are at the centre makes us unintentionally 'the masters of universe.' We fall into the fallacy of heavenly life and rewards in the next world; we consider righteousness and morality as a basic tool to judge others. The moment we understand our minuscule subsistence, the concept of heavenly rewards goes out of the window and we start respecting life and humans here in this world without judging them for what they believe in. Ironically Aristotle and Ptolemy, and most Greek philosophers assumed that the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circle the Earth. Is it not strange that geocentric model of the universe, the Earth, is the centre of the universe and other objects go around it is part of Greek myths and legends.

Adam and Eve’s progeny is part of the Sumerian history. All these Goddess cults spring from the Tree of life of the Sumerians. The differing concepts from the Tree expressed themselves as a remarkable and far reaching cultural impact on mankind. The achievement of epic poetry was to create story-cycles and, as a result, to expand a new logic of fairy-tale chronology. I always called Homer as the first real prophet; the Greek myths were later on sophistically turned into refined theologies. Thus Greek mythology unfolds as a phase in the development of the world and of humans. The concept of life-after-death intrigued the earliest of conscious beings. The Pharaohs, the Egyptians believed that the mummified body was the home for this soul or spirit. If the body was destroyed, the spirit might be lost. The idea of 'akh' was complex perhaps translated as "spirit", which had to travel through the Underworld to the Final Judgment and entrance to the Afterlife. Qin Shi Huang, later the first Emperor of all China, upon ascending the throne at the age of 13 (in 246 BC), had begun to work for his mausoleum. It took 11 years to finish. It is speculated that many buried treasures and sacrificial objects had accompanied the emperor in his afterlife.

Jews, Christians and Muslims agree: Abraham, the friend of God, is an example of unadulterated and unqualified virtue and belief. The worship that Abraham displayed towards God is clearly seen in Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his only beloved son. All three religions do not dispute this fact. Where they do disagree on, however, is the identity of the sacrificial child.

Chronological accounts have to be understood in terms of first citing.Religious apologists refute evidence based on chronology and first coverage, which is the cause of a lot of confusion and hearsay. The scriptures are telling us diverse stories. Accusations are made that the word of Genesis had been transgressed with. Genesis stories are based on the stories of forgotten cuneiform tablets. The present opinionated conflict is based on this kind of unexamined reality. This is the kind of test which is very obvious but no one dares to undertake. It borders on profanity and blasphemy. It clearly indicates that myths not realities are strongly implanted in the ideological consciousness of mankind. It is clear that these myths have to be taken with equal pinch of salt like we take the Sword of Damocles, Midas's Touch or Achilles' Heel.

But religious scriptures have won the battle of myths. Their 'myths' are really practiced. Homer's Greek legions are just a part of movie material where Brad Pitt plays the role of Achilles.But till today, millions of faithful run between Safa and Marwa reincarnating the pains of Hagar, and people still tremble like pendulums in front of the Wailing Wall crying for sacrament and atonement. Religious scriptures have stamped practicality where forgotten cuneiform tablets and Homer could not. Therefore, my real prophet failed and the real prophets are the ones we follow and whose edicts are a part of our lives which we continue to follow. And the political divisions of the world today are based on these injunctions.

It an irony that it is to the Sumerians, we owe our original knowledge of not only the week but also the 60-minute hour. Sargon I, King of Akkad, after conquering Ur and the other cities of Sumeria, instituted a seven-day week, the first to be recorded. The Sumerians were great innovators in matters of time. It is to them, ultimately, that we owe not only the week but also the 60-minute hour.Where we stand today, we consider anything written within last few thousand years as a part of continued history, but that is wrong. All historians will have to have a chronological time line otherwise there is a void in the sequence of understanding of events. The only history which is factual is the one that goes along with geography, culture and innovation of science. There is an evolution of 4.5 billion years that yielded conscious life; even 200 years ago faithful considered the world was 5,000 years old. Therefore, the time has come to question these issues which are threatening the edifice on which the balance of mankind rests.

The episodes even fictional are more likely to be close to authenticity depending on who reports them first. Homer would explain myth of 'after life better' than Virgil or 'Genesis' and almost certainly Islamic historians after 3000 years of Abraham incident were in no capacity to comment on who was under the knife. Our children should be taught the history with continuity and space. They should be taught great respect towards all ideologies. But the toxin of rites and rituals and Puritanism has to be restricted; that is the malice which is creating divisions. Until we learn new history, there can be no real peace. In this 21st century, these engrained ideas of 'Holy Truth' need to be challenged. From the histories we get the best description of the Battle of Marathon. Despite being thousands of years old, many of the problems that ancient Greeks faced, we still face today. Enlightened leaderships of the world look to Herodotus' Histories to learn from mistakes the ancient Greeks made with democracy. If we don't learn from the past, we're doomed to repeat it.

Reason and science lead to freedom of mind from dogma and acquirement of rationalism, like the belief in the Theory of 'The Big Bang' instead of the 'Biblical concept of a 6000-year-old history of creation' that defies any judicious explanation supported by the history of civilisation. I am perfectly aware of the 'existence question' known as ''God Gamble is a Win/Win,'' - heads you win tails you win - but it is important that the way we live our life should be based on enquiry and truth. On that count alone, I will not give up my right to question and find the truth that is satisfactory to my faculty of reasoning. I like the God of singularity!

Thanks to Christianity I turned to Buddhism. Thanks to Buddhism, I began to doubt. Thanks to doubt, I became an atheist. Thanks to atheism, I became a nonbeliever. Thanks to nonbelief I turned to science. Thanks to science I learned how to think.

Ignots Pistachio



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here's the truth eghbaal jaan

by Cost-of-Progress on

There's this kind, funny ole' entity up there...there.....see "him" yet? "He" created us, loves us dearly, I mean dearly, but would kick our azz if we're bad.

There you have it.

Thank you sir for your continous quest for the truth that eludes most of the sheep. 


Dear Dr. Latif

by stavackoli on

Your open-mindedness and apparent freedom from the usual prejudices of this time, in a world afflicted with cynicism and doubt is admirable.  I appreciate your efforts and wish you the best in all your endeavors, most importantly, your quest for truth.  It has been a pleasure coversing with you and I hope to meet you in person some day.  I also want to thank you for the lessons I have learned from you during this brief exchange. 

Iqbal Latif

Real life happens in private, alone, before an empty house!!!

by Iqbal Latif on

'Real life happens in private, alone, before an empty house, without the gaze of an audience to ennoble or redeem it '  GGW  ('The Pale King' by David Foster)

Thank you very much...I am a student of philosophy and just turning in a kindergarten of philosophy.    I am on my own little journey of investigation of truth and thanks for acknowledging it, my journey commences with ''why should the boulevard of 'global oneness' go through that unique invincible source is my journey. I am noiselessly investigating!.'' 

I am discovering the waters I am treading in. 'There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, "Morning, boys, how's the water?" And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes, "What the hell is water?" The immediate point of the fish story is that the most obvious, ubiquitous, important realities are often the ones that are the hardest to see and talk about. Stated as an English sentence, of course, this is just a banal platitude -- but the fact is that, in the day-to-day trenches of adult existence, banal platitudes can have life-or-death importance.' 

You raised a pertinent question ''If one believes there is no such thing as a Deity, how does one answer the dilemma of why the most recent of His "Prophets" denied himself a life of luxury and accepted imprisonment, exile and torture for almost his entire adult life? In His own words,'' Someone completely changed course of my life, I was making an exact argument of along the line of '20,000 martyrs referring God Passes By,' Mount your steeds of Heroes of God, the guy told me Iqbal how about millions who gave their life for Mao's long march? Self sacrifice does not change the nature of stories passed on through the eons from the source of holy scriptures, we the students of history like to know the source code, is it human or divine? 

 Next coming to your query ''"Prophets" denied himself a life of luxury and accepted imprisonment, exile and torture for almost his entire adult life?'' as to anyone in the 19th century coming up with the idea of 'One world government, a connected world and a universal language that should be commonly instituted plus equality of rights between gender should only be a constructive feature of a nation.' Only the greatest have been visionary of universal oneness of mankind, Iranian mullahs have shaped a blinkered and bigoted society that encourages division and selective prejudice against peripheral minorities; the heavenly trade off promised makes our planet tormented and hellish, this needs all our collective denunciation. The ideal of an egalitarian society where the prejudice of colour, race and belief will be shunned and a new call of oneness of mankind becomes the cardinal goal of mankind looks premature even now.  In medieval Iran of the 19th century how could a man, descending partly from aristocracy and partly from Babism, have coined the new world order of collective progress is beyond the scope of many great modern thinkers. The vision of future held by members of the Bahai community, however little it may be understood as yet by the majority of the planet's inhabitants, refutes the idea of encroaching darkness; the Bahai vision is, in contrast, one of great promise. 

The Bahai vision amongst the contemporary revolutionary thoughts is marking the last and highest stage in the stupendous evolution of man's collective life on this planet.   The emergence of a world community, the consciousness of world citizenship, the founding of a world civilization and culture should, by their very nature, be regarded, as far as this planetary life is concerned, as the furthermost limits and the cutting edge in the organization of human society, this is the vertical limit and Iranians can be proud of the fact that such a global visionary as Bahaullah was born in Tehran.

 I am throwing some throw some pebbles on the fruit laden 'tree of life?' I am a huge supporter of raison d'être, common sense, toleration of ideas, corroboration of facts, a life that connects science and my judgment and everything else allows me to do what I want to do in research and elucidation of legitimacy. We humans instinctively have traits that are self destructive; our effort should be to make certain that our integrity outperforms any intrinsic unconstructiveness and innate deficient imagination. When I sit on the key board and my mind is empty I create thoughts, I throw some pebbles on the fruit laden 'tree of life' hopefully, I may not have to wait too long, fruits will certainly drop to serve my appetite and ripe enough to help me quench my thirst. 


200 apologies

by stavackoli on

I am speechless Dr. jaan,

 You will, I hope forgive my transgression.  I never meant anything of the sort by it.  There is a difference between one's opinion of something and the person himself and I really and truly did not mean any disrespect to you.  I did choose rather callously, but I was in a rush and I know you will forgive me.  

Take your time and investigate, this is a free world, nothing good will come from an incomplete and hurried investigation of truth.  I have thoroughly enjoyed our conversation here and wish you the best.

Yours truly,

Tavackoli, MD 

Iqbal Latif

Mr Tavackoli,,, Thank you for calling me unwise!

by Iqbal Latif on


I found your post very funny.  On ''please accept my apology for using the word, couldn't come up with another one.'' Please do not mention 'Unwise' is very rich in its condemnatory undertone. It can be easily substituted by far more firmer and richer adjectives like foolish, stupid, silly, imprudent, rash, risky, thoughtless, careless, tactless, inconsiderate, unkind, uncaring, nasty, mean, horrid, revolting, disgusting, all these could have been any of the adjectives used. These qualities do add up to become a great character.

I am deeply honoured by your kindest of the cuts. I am propelled with this ''oneness of mankind, universal love of humanity, independent investigation of truth, one world language, world commonwealth, equality of rights between genders,'' the knowledgeable sage of 'Siyah chaaal' said it all; but should that boulevard of 'global oneness' go through that unique invincible source is my journey. I am noiselessly investigating!

Give me my freedom to examine. I am just a beginner.' Dr. Latif



Mr. Latif

by stavackoli on

Dear Mr. Latif,

I applaud your quest and independent investigation of truth; however, some of your arguments are pretty one-sided and on rather shaky ground.  I encourage you to continue on your path and, when you feel like it, study some of the literature within the "Abrahamic religion" of your time; going back to religions that are anywhere from 1400 to more than 3000 years old and basing all your objections to the presence of God is rather unwise (please accept my apology for using the word, couldn't come up with another one).  

In any case, and more to the point, you say if humans are going to have an afterlife than all the animal should as well.  Why? we are not the same as animals, our DNA comes pretty close, but that actually is further proof for the presence of something greater than just nature.  Think about it, animals actually have lived on the Earth much longer than us, why is it that we are the only ones that can build an airplane, or go to the moon (or space, if you don't want to believe the trip to the moon).  The answer, my friend, is pretty simple.  We are primarily spiritual beings with a temporary body, the animals are primarily a physical presence with a rudimentary and temporary soul.  Their soul dies with them, ours does not.  The Baha'i Faith does not believe in most of what you are arguing against, including the physical heaven or hell.  We believe there are infinite worlds of God and the soul, after the physical death and leaving behind the luggage of body, will continue its travels through the infinite worlds of God.  We are truly immortal, animals are not.  Whether you believe this or not, matters not.  What matters is how you reconcile in your mind the fact that despite the very close similarity of the physical bodies of humans and other animals, there is such a huge gap in their intellect.  Scientific discovery, and the drive and desire to it, are part and parcel of having a soul.  No animal on earth wakes up in the morning pre-occupied with challenges of new discoveries, they wake up with challenges of how they are going to feed themselves and their off-spring.  They have forever been waking up like that, and they will forever wake up in that manner.  We have other things on our mind.  Our minds, meanwhile, are built with the same chemicals and same cellular structures as those of the animals; yet the two function infinitely different.  How dose one reconcile this?  Mere evolution does not answer this question if it is fair.  While, we do not believe in the adam and eve story as that of creation, we also do not believe in a monkey waking up one morning as a human.  While our bodies may have at one point looked like that of a monkey; we always were humans, they always were monkeys.  While I can not offer any concrete evidence for this, you can not offer any concrete evidence to the contrary either.  So, we agree to disagree.  

Again, the important thing here is independent investigation of truth, the whole truth, not one that ends on one side, 1400 years ago. 


Mr. Latif, Great topic

by Azarbanoo on

you discussed.  I am a scientist too but I do not believe in any religion but I still believe of GOD of Universe which I think lives within us andf unable us to accomplish everything.

Iqbal Latif

'No heavens and No earth' -Sentient being is a cruel customer!

by Iqbal Latif on

No one is feeding anything to anyone, the whole world runs on holy scriptures and edicts of elimination. Blasphemy laws eradicate dissent, what internet has achieved is opening the knowledge doors into areas where no  one had access, we are just helping keep the door ajar. How dare we can question the Almighty or his control over minds but can we not suggest that there is a close propinquity of stories that form the basis of all three holy Abrahamic scriptures. Why the stories in three books have great anomalies that is rationale of our exploration please.


Any belief that employs “guardians of truth’’ on shaping of landscape of intellect will implode. It is said that ‘Crutches of faith are introduced when reason sinks exhausted.’  Intelligent conscious man from inception, after definition of our origins, in the absence of science, wanted to romanticize and wrote the history of our life and post life the way he wanted an ideal life.  Earlier on he created 'fictions' of Homer 'allegories and gods' and later 'prophetic' narrations and scriptures to help satisfy his need to answer the burning question that this life is not going to end here, we are forever.  We are living in a world that has moved within 10,000 years of known civilisation’s history (which is nano second of our existence, considering we are 15 billion years old) - from near cave age living to a decent existence, where life expectancy has increased and distance has died. More than any property, the brain most clearly distinguishes humans from other life on Earth. The development of speech, the invention of technology, and the rise of civilization are all products of the human brain’s rapid advancement. The evolution of the central nervous system, from the onset of multicellularity ~1 billion years ago to the increasingly talented primates living among the trees ~30 million years ago, we now resume that history of more recent times, tracing the dramatic rise in cranial capacity among our immediate ancestors of the past ~3 million years.


From the womb of 'classical myths,' our present holy scriptures are born.  Strange similarities of plot and character defy logical questions as to why Hesiod's Greek epic poet in Theogony (lines 507–616) in the late 8th-century BC wrote about 'The Prometheus myth.'  The later holy scriptures follow the identical plot and present to mankind characters of 'Adam and Eve in The Old Testament as creation of God.'  Unfortunately the story of Adam and Eve and its creation is a plagiarised version of Hesiod's Theogony.  Later prophets naturally dwelled on the Old Testament and further embroidered and inflated the plot with their own fables, half-heard legends and poorly narrated myths from travellers.


In Abrahamic religions the view is generally held that one goes to hell or heaven depending on your deeds on Earth.  In most religions, Heaven is a place of everlasting reward for the righteous to go after they die. Hell in comparison is a place of eternal (or some religions, temporal) torment for the wicked.  Similar places of torment and reward can be seen in Greek Mythology with Elysium being a place of reward for the righteous and Tartarus being a place for the wicked.


The soul shall literally take all the brunt of burning.  Soul transmigration involves promises that are too good to be true.  But is Soul ethereal or physical, as there is no proof of physical Soul resident in human body, and if it is ethereal, why does it need carnal or other pleasures required by the five senses? The Garden of Earthly Delights is just a figment of our imagination. Elongation of our pleasures is our preoccupation as humans. We wanted to secure what is scarce here in unlimited supplies, we created our heavens and divided this earth into dogmatic divisions leading to hellish conditions here. Let's try to break these unseen chains of threat of ‘blasphemy and divinely forbidden’ that serves to arrest examination and enquiry in our formative years. 

Soosan Khanoom

and here .. some Rumi for your Pistachio,

by Soosan Khanoom on

I have experienced seven hundred and seventy mounds.

I died from minerality and became vegetable;

And from vegetativeness I died and became animal.

I died from animality and became man.

Then why fear disappearance though death?

Next time I shall die

Bringing forth wings and feathers like angels;

After that soaring higher than angels-

What you cannot imagine, I shall be that.


Soosan Khanoom

I am a scientist and thanks to science I am now

by Soosan Khanoom on

a believer.  I believe that there has to be a God.  Ok now how about that ?

I am not in your blog to argue it with you.  You are entitled to yours and me to mine. We each only have one vote. I am not following you and I do not expect ypu to follow me. If you or people like you could understand the value of freedom of choice then there would be no arguments.  After all we all are limited to the boundaries of our own assumptions and no one on this earth can claim to know the real answers.  If people like you could only allow themselves to be humble and say ' I don't know' rather than ' I know it all '... if people like you could get rid of the word ' I ' .... then  the world would be a much better place to live....This arrogance that you carry exists among your opponents as well....

Some of you want to force feed us heaven and some want to force feed us earth... Atheism has become a new religion... a crappy one worse than  any other so called religions.  


Mr Latif

by Truthseeker9 on

I really enjoyed reading your blog, very refreshing. Thank you for posting.

Iqbal Latif

Yes, I do believe in independent investigations of truth..

by Iqbal Latif on

Are you throwing some throw some pebbles on the fruit laden 'tree of life?'

I am a huge supporter of raison d'être, common sense, toleration of ideas, corroboration of facts, a life that connects science and my judgment and everything else allows me to do what I want to do in research and elucidation of legitimacy. We humans instinctively have traits that are self destructive; our effort should... be to make certain that our integrity outperforms any intrinsic unconstructiveness and innate deficient imagination. When you sit on the key board and your mind is empty create thoughts, throw some pebbles on the fruit laden 'tree of life' you may not starve too long, fruit will certainly drop to serve your appetite .


Scientific Theory vs. Religious Belief

by stavackoli on

While I am no expert on the matters of religion and science, I have studied long and hard in the world of science and know a couple of things about the religions of past and present.  When one paints the world religion with the dogma of the past, one sees nothing good associated with religion.  Yet, the questions of where we came from and why certain souls accepted redicule, torture, exile and in some cases death in order to bring a philosophy the center point of which was an entity we call God these days, are unanswered.  If one believes there is no such thing as a Deity, how does one answer the dilemma of why the most recent of His "Prophets" denied himself a life of luxury and accepted imprisonment, exile and torture for almost his entire adult life? In His own words,

"Briefly, this Wronged One hath, in the face of all that hath befallen Him at their hands, and all that hath been said of Him, endured patiently, and held His peace, inasmuch as it is Our purpose, through the loving providence of God -- exalted be His glory -- and His surpassing mercy, to abolish, through the force of Our utterance, all disputes, war, and bloodshed, from the face of the earth".

(Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 33)    Or: "The aim of this Wronged One in sustaining woes and tribulations, in revealing the Holy Verses and in demonstrating proofs hath been naught but to quench the flame of hate and enmity, that the horizon of the hearts of men may be illumined with the light of concord and attain real peace and tranquillity."         (Baha'u'llah, Kitab-e Ahd)   We know for a fact that these guys did not do what they did for their own gain, be it monetary, political or otherwise.  So, either they were truthful, or they were delirious.  If they were delirious, why was there no sign of this in their writings? Why, in fact, the literature left behind from them is some of the most eloquent and worthwhile literature in the world, and while the world has been forever full of crazy people, why these few gathered so many followers over the ages?     We obviously can not take the entire human history and ignore the deleterious effects of what appears to have been religious thought and teaching in it.  What one has to understand, and unfortunately most cursory reviews of the world history does not, is that the religions of the world, had forever, left the door open for human intervention; and when human intervention and the want of power mixed in with the original teachings of the "Prophets", the religious teachings suffered and through time and a process of decay and inevitable obsoletion, the added teachings turned into nothing but dogma.  This, along with the inevitable material and scientific growth of the human thought through time, made it necessary for re-appearance of the "Prophets" and the perpetual completion of the original Book of God.     Human mind today will not accept dogma as an explanation for a lot of things, this is only natural and expected.  A college student will not accept a lot of the same things that he accepted when he was 6 years old.  Today, the social religious teachings are very different from those of the past, and if one is to judge whether religions are valid or not, one has to look at the entire picture and not only what is old and, for the lack of a better word, obsolete.  I encourage you and all others who believe religions is the opium of the masses, to dig further and continue with your independent investigation of truth. I do not encourage you to become a Baha'i or a Moslem or a Christian, but I do recommend broadening your horizons.