How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 9

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How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 9
by JahanKhalili
09-Dec-2011
 

Above is a picture of an American woman who visited Ayatollah Khomeini at his house. She did it all on her own, barely speaking any Farsi and without any connections, credential or help from anyone. She just went there after getting the idea to do it. I'll tell you more about it later in the blog.

We've already established that Iranians suck at geographical exploration, scientific study or cataloguing of their own flora and fauna, their own archeology and even their own history.

Iranians were foaming at the mouth when I told them that their Cyrus cylinder bullshit about being a human rights charter was a fraud. But they should have known better.

What are they, retarded?

All they had to do was look up the translation, instead of believing rumors. Iranians didn't know sh-t about Cyrus the Great's cylinder - or himself.

Do Iranians know anything about Ayatollah Khomeini? You would imagine that they should. I heard all kinds of nonsense about him from them. One claim was that he was Indian. It appears that he did in fact come from the Kashmir.

However, I later asked a friend from India who came from the Moussavi family, about the history of that family in India. According to him, they had originally immigrated to India from Iran, and this is a quite well-known fact in India. It doesn't take a genius to see that Ayatollah Khomeini - with his fair complexion - was probably not originally of Indian descent.

The Shiah movement spread from Iran to India, not the other way around. That means that Iran was a source of theologians for India's Shi'ites.

You don't have to be a genius to dig. But Iranians aren't interested in finding just anything.

They are only interested in information if its "useful". So they don't dig. Instead, they either arm themselves with information from others, or make it up themselves. But if Iranians need to delegitimize someone, they'll find a way to do it, and facts don't matter. All that matters is the end result.

The older Iranians living here in America are bellyaching about Ayatollah Khomeini. If you say the word "Khomeini", their facial expression changes, and starts looking like they're taking a hardened sh-t on a cold pot. Whenever they talk about him, its always the same stuff: how many people he killed, how evil he was, how he ruined Iran, etc. ....

This stuff is quite useless for a historian. No one can be either elevated to a god-to-be-worshipped, nor can they be lowered to be the most despised symbol of evil in the world. Human beings are in reality very complex, and their complexities cannot be grasped by mobs who are using them to make political statements.

Various ridiculous stories that would make a hardened psychiatrist go mad, are circulated about Khomeini. One version was the usual story about him being a CIA or British agent. One of the more colorful versions - told by an all knowing Iranian idiot at a dinner party - included a tunnel specially constructed for Khomeini, that ran from Jamaran to the UK.

I have given up telling Americans about the insane things Iranians believe, because it makes me look like an idiot for no reason, and they themselves can't quite grasp that such degrees of stupidity are even possible.

Then there's the well-known Tahrirolvasyleh hoax, that claims that Ayatollah Khomeini wrote in an obscure book (which no one can seem to produce) containing passages that condone pedophilia and bestiality. As "proof", they'll show you some files on the internet that aren't photostatic.

Or they'll claim that some bookstore has it, but they don't feel like wasting money to buy it. No where is it posted on the internet, as scanned photos. I suspect that if it ever is, that it will not be available for authentication by any expert. Someone showed me the book in Arabic on a website, but couldn't show me the relevant passages, so I could check on them.

As it is, no expert seems prepared to back up the claim, despite the fact that there are such experts who could do it if it was legitimate.

No one seems to have produced an actual example of the book complete with the incriminating passages printed in Iran or Iraq from a time where it would have been legally valid. If you express amazement at this idea, or any of the others, the Khomeini-haters either act like you're a simple minded person who cannot grasp such cerebral mysteries, or they get offended and suspect you of being in league with their enemies.

On the other side of the political aisle are the Iranians who fairly worship Ayatollah Khomeini.

He's infallible, according to them. He is almost like the sun. In their version of events, Iran was at its darkest time, when suddenly from the sky on an airplane came Ayatollah Khomeini and brightened everything up with his frowning face. Then came his followers, who were very dear people. You can't say anything even remotely critical about Khomeini in front of them, or they'll hate you. Maybe these assholes think that genuine goodwill comes from coercion.

But I don't give a sh-t what THEY think. They can kiss my American ass.

Out of their goodness, they harshly judged everyone who was not suitably religious or revolutionary just like them, and some of them were deprived of their livelihoods, sacked or even executed.... ....and Iranians lived happily ever after. If you even point out inconsistencies or problems with their version of him, they'll get angry and accuse you of being in league with their enemies.

Then, as the story goes, he made everyone happy and godlike. Iranians became a holy people, good and pure....

... and that, despite the fact that there were so many bootlegged Betamax pornography videos in Iran (some of them found in religious households) that it was probably easier to obtain them there than in the West.

... that, despite the fact that (aside from those good and truly sincere religious people we all knew) no one can stand some of the worst specimens among his followers - the superior acting holy people, full of takabor and having no consideration for anyone but people who thought exactly like them. They acted so superior. They were so self-serving and arrogant; judgmental, cruel and unforgiving.

They thought they were prophets, but they were really just a bunch of dicks. If I were to imagine that this is what Khomeini was like, I'd end up having a very low opinion of the man. But one thing I learned from living in Iran is to completely distrust public opinion.

I never actually learned anything particularly interesting about Ayatollah Khomeini from either side. That's because people who already have their minds made up about something aren't going to discover anything about it.

As usual, if you want to learn anything about Iran, its necessary to step back from the insane Iranians and go find out about it yourself.

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I am not an expert on Ayatollah Khomeini, and have read in its entirely only one of his speeches. I really don't know anything about him. One thing I know, however, is that I will not get the whole truth about the man himself from any side of Iranian politics.

Iranian know-it-alls aren't the people I'd consult, if I wanted to really find out things about the man that the public doesn't know much about.

That, as usual, requires individual effort and research.

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For someone who thought his country and people were so cool special, my father had the peculiar fear of my mother going shopping and getting ripped off by his gracious people.

He knew that as soon as they saw an American woman, they'd rip her off.

My mother was indeed somewhat helpless in Iran. He would talk about how great and holy Iran was, but it seemed that he didn't actually believe any of it - judging from his own actions.

It wasn't my mother's scene. She called it a "crazy place".

But one thing my mother didn't have was Khomeini-itis.

She couldn't have caught it from the Iranians, because she barely spoke any Farsi.

She didn't learn to repeat the ridiculous stories made against him made by some, or the silly worshipful gushing excesses that others engaged in. She saw things from her own point of view, and felt no obligation to echo the points of view around her.

One of the things she did was quite remarkable.

To this day, anyone who meets her will never suspect that they are meeting someone who did something like what she did.

Yet my mother did something in Iran that most Iranians didn't even do.

She visited Ayatollah Khomeini, in his own house.

That she did this without speaking much Farsi, and without connections, should tell you something.

Westerners might be naive. They might be blundering and not versed in the niceties of Iranian culture or Islam. They might step on people's toes and make fools of themselves when they're outside of their own environment.

They might screw up some Iranian job interview, interrogation, or application for traveling to Iran.

Iranians who are devoted to tripping up Westerners who are in Iran and who aren't familiar with them and their stupid ways, will always find ways to do it.

I know that Iranians worship their way of doing things.

Its one of the few things they do very well.

Westerners might get suckered and overcharged when buying something at a store in Iran, by greedy Iranians.

BUT they occasionally have succeeded in doing things there that Iranians didn't succeed in doing - and that is indeed one of the main ideas behind these blogs.

My mother went to Jamaran, and visited Ayatollah Khomeini in his home. She took one of my sisters with her. To this day, I don't know how she did it. But I remember when she got home, there were two female Islamic Revolutionary Guards with her.

She invited them in as if they were friends she had made while visiting Ayatollah Khomeini. They were both silent. Then they stepped in and looked around briefly.

My mother seemed oblivious to the fact that they had come home with her to investigate her and to find out who she was. In her naiveness, she assumed that they were simply women who had hit it up with her and were curious and were dropping by for a cup of tea.

I quickly offered them tea, and turned on the Iranian hospitality. They stood there looking at us and talking to each other.

I had a little kitten. I brought it out and showed it to them. It was still only a few weeks old, and drank milk out of a bottle. It was so cute that it broke the ice and the women started smiling and cooing over the kitten. I spoke with the women.

After a while, they passed up the invitation to stay longer and left.

When they had left, I asked my mother how it went. Did you get to speak to him? No, unfortunately, she didn't. He did all the talking - and she hadn't understood a word of it.

My father never seemed to know anything about the visit. I never heard him comment on it. Its incredible that he, in his supposedly infinite wisdom and knowledge, knew nothing about my mother's greatest triumph while living in Iran.

Neither did any other Iranian know about it.

Neither do any of the Americans that my mother associates with, know or care that she did this.

Yet my mother achieved something that none of these people ever did. ... and I respect her for it.

She has no fame or recognition for it. So what? Having done the thing is its own reward.

Consult with an Iranian know-it-all, or bow to the masses... and kiss your ability to do these things goodbye.

The result-driven Iranians I knew would never have done such a thing. They all already had their minds made up. There was no curiosity in them to go and have a look at something just for the sake of doing so.

An American woman who barely spoke Farsi went and visited their leader, while they sat around and either made up flattering BS about him or made up insulting BS about him.

Needless to say, many Iranians fail at even knowing anything about one of their own historic figures who lived not-that-long ago.

Americans DO things.

While Iranians sit on their asses and talk - people like my mother do things without consulting anyone.

Americans might be naive. They might be like fish out of water in Iran. But they occasionally try things blabber-mouth Iranian know-it-alls would never try.

And they occasionally succeed.

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JK, you've got to admit that it's bizarre that

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You're a dumb lying rumor-loving Iranian, Hooshang

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Go roll yourselves up in a Persian carpet, and roll off an Iranian cliff.


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جا خالی!

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Ja Khali,

The more I read your comments and blogs, the more I realize that you are a true Iranian, in the traditional sense!

All the bickering, dismissing the facts, insisting on your own views and the relentless demonizing of the opposite views are all part and parcel of how many Iranians (not all) deal with reality. And you got them all, if these blogs are an indicator.

So congratulations, you have your father’s genes and you should be proud of them.

Those ancient Persian genes are so stubborn and unforgiving! Like it or not, they are in you, enjoy them!


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Better to be accused of being an apologist for Khoemeini

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.. than to be accused of being one for filth like you.


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BS is what keeps coming out of your keyborad. You can't have it

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both ways. If you apologize and justify every crime of IR and Ayat Shattan Khomeini, you are a supporter, without the courage and honesty to say so. All you Hezbollah thugs are lying, cheating rapists.


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Hey, I'm only half Iranian

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... and I have more respect for the best people of your country than you do.


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BS is what keeps coming out of your keyborad. You can't have it

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

both ways. If you apologize and justify every crime of IR and Ayat Shattan Khomeini, you are a supporter, without the courage and honesty to say so. All you Hezbollah thugs are lying, cheating rapists.


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"You don't love or understand your own people"

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And exactly who's the moron that has to insult Iran and Iranians with every single comment he posts. I've seen cheating Hezbollah thugs, but you take the cake. If anyone in your household had any decency they would have, should have washed your mouth with soap and water at least five times a day. Have you shame beign so stupid and proud of it?


JahanKhalili

News For You Manuchehr Ghorbanifars

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The CIA distanced itself from that guy.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manucher_Ghorbanifar

Why can't the CIA can't find any Iranian to tell them the truth?

Because, its part of your corrupt inferior culture to lie and to not tell the truth.

You guys can't even trust each other.

Look here: these idiots are saying that Khomeini is my leader. Their primitive brains are already full of suspicion about me because I disagreed with their bullshit.

I think psychiatry should devote a whole new specialized field just to Iranians. 


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JK, as usual the only lying, primitive ignoramouses here is you

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You're so devoted to your Fascist thug cheif-rapist Ayat Shayytan Khomeini, you even can't read the lines righ in front of you. Like all other Hezbollah thugs you're beyond hope.

And like all of them you need serious therapy, though even that might be too little too late in your case.

Have some shame and admit the truth: Hezbollah thugs in power in Iran and nothign but a bunch of rapist, and Ayat Shaytan Khomieni was the Cheif Rapist. Wonder what that makes you? An aplogist and defender of rapists? YES.


JahanKhalili

Although I am not a religious person myself

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I find these anti-religious Iranians who spread rumors like primitive savages, and who have no sense of honor, to be inferior to the religious people in Iran.

The religious people in Iran might not be that sophisticated, or that well-read, but they did have a sense of honor.

You are NOT superior to the lower-class religious followers of Ayatollah Khomeini.

If you had any honest willingess to study history, you would realize that child brides are not an invention of Islam or Ayatollah Khomeini, either.

//www.answering-christianity.com/byzantine_child_brides.htm
//www.hindu.com/fline/fl2214/stories/20050715006200400.htm

Its no wonder your people rejected you and overthrew you in the 1979 revolution.

You don't love or understand your own people, but spend all of your time trying to imitate foreigners who really secretly aren't impressed.


JahanKhalili

Lies

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A man is NOT allowed to touch a girl who isn't sexually mature, in a sexual way.

I know of at least two cases of men who were prosecuted for doing it in Iran while I was there.

If it were permissible, they wouldn't have been prosecuted. 


JahanKhalili

I don't trust anything you say

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Unless you show me something that an expert has verified, I'm not as stupid as you are just to believe something on the internet.

There is a process for arriving at the truth that you stupid primitives don't understand.

... and that's why you didn't even write a history book about your own god damned war.

//www.amazon.com/Iran-Iraq-War-Air-1980-1988-Cooper/dp/0764316699


JahanKhalili

I don't trust you Iranians

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You're full of lies.

The quotes that have been circulating on the internet about the Tahrirolvasyleh are being disputed here by Shi'ites.

//www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4867-tahrirolvasyleh/


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JK, Khomeini was an Ayat Shayttan,

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Do you know what that means? It means evil poured out of his mouth everytime he spoke. Either he was lying and misleading a whole nation, as he did prior of coming to power, or he was preaching execution and torture, after he got to power.

Check the records and see who gave the orders to rape virgin political prisoners. 

This is what you call your spiritual leader, hell bent on rape, giving advice on how to have sex with underage children. And determining if the tip of your penus has entered the correct location or not. I say shit on your spirituality and its leader, your leader.


JahanKhalili

My take on Ayatollah Khomeini

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Although I didn't know the man, and still don't know much about him, I think he really believed.

He was NOT a charlatan.

All these people who are making things up about him - like the fabricated quotes condoning bestiality and pedophilia - are charlatans, because they have shown that they are willing to lie to achieve their political goals.

That's the very definition of being a charlatan. 


JahanKhalili

The charlatans are yourselves

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This contains nothing about condoning pedophilia or bestiality.

Right? 


IranFirst

توضیح المسائل خمینی

IranFirst


Here is the garbage from that charlatan Khomeini. Only from the twisted Islam-infested brain of a MUllah, you can find these stuff. Why can' Muslim idiots use their brains, instead of reading these "cook books" to decide how use the toilet, or who to have sex with

 

//www.tebyan.net/index.aspx?pid=102834&Parent...

 

See the pages about getting maried

Also here are some samples from what nullifies fasting

- جماع

1584 جماع روزه را باطل مى كند، اگر چه به مقدار ختنه گاه داخل شود و منى هم بيرون نيايد.

1585
اگر كمتر از مقدار ختنه گاه داخل شود و منى هم بيرون نيايد، روزه باطل نمى
شود، ولى كسى كه آلتش را بريده اند اگر كمتر از ختنه گاه را هم داخل كند،
روزه اش باطل مى شود.

1586 اگر شك كند كه به اندازه ختنه گاه داخل
شده يا نه، روزه او صحيح است. و كسى كه آلتش را بريده اند، اگر شك كند كه
دخول شده يا نه، روزه او صحيح است.

1587 اگر فراموش كند كه روزه است
و جماع نمايد، يا او را به جماع مجبور نمايند، به طورى كه از خود اختيارى
نداشته باشد، روزه او باطل نمى شود. ولى چنانچه در بين جماع يادش بيايد يا
ديگر مجبور نباشد، بايد فورا از حال جماع خارج شود، و اگر خارج نشود، روزه
او باطل است.

3- استمناء

1588 اگر روزه دار استمنا كند، يعنى با خود كارى كند كه منى از او بيرون آيد، روزه اش باطل مى شود.

1589
اگر بى اختيار منى از او بيرون آيد، روزه اش باطل نيست. ولى اگر كارى كند
كه بى اختيار منى از او بيرون آيد، روزه اش باطل مى شود.

1590 هرگاه
روزه دار بداند كه اگر در روز بخوابد، محتلم مى شود، يعنى در خواب منى از
او بيرون مى آيد، مى تواند در روز بخوابد. و چنانچه بخوابد و محتلم هم
بشود، روزه اش صحيح است.

1591 اگر روزه دار در حال بيرون آمدن منى از خواب بيدار شود، واجب نيست از بيرون آمدن آن جلوگيرى كند.

1592
روزه دارى كه محتلم شده، مى تواند بول كند و به دستورى كه در مساله گفته
شد، استبرا نمايد. ولى اگر بداند به واسطه بول يا استبرا كردن باقى مانده
منى از مجرى بيرون مى آيد، در صورتى كه غسل كرده باشد، نمى تواند استبرا
كند.

1593 روزه دارى كه محتلم شده، اگر بداند منى در مجرى مانده و
در صورتى كه پيش از غسل بول نكند بعد از غسل منى از او بيرون مى آيد، بنابر
احتياط واجب بايدپيش از غسل بول كند.

1594 اگر به قصد بيرون آمدن منى كارى بكند، در صورتى كه منى ازاو بيرون نيايد، روزه اش باطل نمى شود.

1595
اگر روزه دار بدون قصد بيرون آمدن منى با كسى بازى و شوخى كند، در صورتى
كه عادت نداشته باشد كه بعد از بازى و شوخى منى از او خارج شود، اگرچه
اتفاقا منى بيرون آيد، روزه او صحيح است. ولى اگر شوخى را ادامه دهد تا آن
جا كه نزديك است منى خارج شود، و خوددارى نكند تا خارج گردد، روزه اش باطل
است

 


JahanKhalili

Bullshit

by JahanKhalili on

Stop lying.

If you have the book, why don't you scan it and let us show it to an expert?

What are you afraid of?

That we'll find out its a lie? 


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Get this throught yourt thick head, YOU ARE THE ONE

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

who's suppose to get the book. Read it, understand it, and give a report back. Obviously you're such a disfunctional mal-adjusted youth that can't even get your hand on a simple book, let alone reading it, understanding it, and reporting back. You failure in this very simple task proves once more as the real hypocrite, non-curious, primitive uneducated person you are.


JahanKhalili

If you have the book, scan it and post it on the internet

by JahanKhalili on

You're making the claim about what's in it. 

Why don't you do it? 

 


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No sonny boy, you're not going to get away with it tonight.

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

This has nothing to do with me, but everything with you.

I'ver read the book, and don't need to prove anything to you. You remain the ignorant party in this case. 

A very simple request was made of you to determine wether you have sufficient reading and comprehension levels. But the way you're backing out of such a simple task, proves that you shall remain an ignoramouse for the rest of your life. I still detect strong strains of Kantianism in you.


JahanKhalili

Your insults are an attempt to hide your own failure

by JahanKhalili on

You cannot substantiate your claims about Khomeini.

That's your fault, not mine. 


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Stupidity is all yours

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

Obviuosly you lack the simple skill of obtaining a book, let alone reading it, comprehending it, and reportign back. So, screw you and your type.


JahanKhalili

Stupid Iranians

by JahanKhalili on

They're asking me to prove the correctness of THEIR rumor.

Screw them. 


JahanKhalili

The burden of proof is on you

by JahanKhalili on

And you'll fail to meet it, just like all the other Iranians did.


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حتی عرضه گیر آوردن یک کتاب ناقابل از آیت شیطان را هم نداری؟

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol



مجسمه بلاهت، نقش حقیر تو در تلمذ در مکتب آن فاشیست لجن، آیت  شیطان
خمینی، این است که حد اقل  توانایی و قابلیت به دست آوردن یک کتاب ناقابل  
را به دست خود بدون کمک از دیگران داشته باشی.
پسرم بهانه مگیر. ما میخواهیم که تو، آن کتاب را خوانده و برای ما از آن
گزارشی تهیه کنی. سواد چنین کار  ساده و پیش پاافتاده ای را داری یا نه؟

JahanKhalili

دختر پر حرف و کم فکر

JahanKhalili


کتاب را

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کن و اینجا بگذار. ثابت کن که این شایعات حقیقت دارد. اگر جرات  داری، اینها را به یک متخصص نشان بدیم.