Jahanshah Javid

Sorry excuse? Rich from an ISLAMOPHOBE

You mean sorry excuses like hate-mongering hikmat/taqiyyah doing Bahai Islamophobes like yourself? 

also that joke of a cult you belong to. 

Sorry, I am not a Bahai.  But that UHJ organization you beat your chest loudly for has an agenda to become the World Government someday, not to mention they support theocracy. So if you don't support this course of action perhaps you need to let them know that you don't support their becoming a government,  and you don't support theocracy, and since you don't support those be prepared to be shunned and vilified by your Bahai family and friends since to disagree with that UHJ is apparently the same as disagreeing with God according to the Bahai faith. Given this, why don't you be a little consistent for once and denounce the Vilayat-i-Faqih in Haifa as well as the one you're denouncing in Iran. Not that I'm holding my breath that you would.

Sorry excuse of a human being guriazal

 
I always how much of an idiot can a person be?  You just lowered the bar.  You can't read English? 

I said ALL.....includes Bahai and also that joke of a cult you belong to. 

to.."Everybody Loves some..."

I am glad that you found this site to vent your frustration at us. Hope you feel better now. 

I'd think, however, that you would fair better posting stuff on the Faux Network website. You'd get much more sympethetic ear there buddy. Perhaps, Glenn Beck would like to hear from you to benefit from your infinite wisdom...........

While your concern for our safety (and our mothers' at places like Logan Airport) is heart warming, I suggest that your re-examine your priorities for the immediate future.

If you really are Iranian (or at least you once thought you were) - You, Sir, Are a New Breed!!!!

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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Fatollah was he Muslim?

Then he was a boy in a man's body. These people are not men. They are overgrown and appear like them, but they have the emotions of a child and they are usually sexually frustrated. Have you read what writings the latest US Nigerian terrorist wrote in his blog? His penis was causing him most of his issues and Al Qaeda got to him instead of a Playboy.

i beg your pardon!

"The boy who did this stupid act ..."

I am sorry, He was a 28 years old MAN, not a boy! 

do you know what kind of people do this action?

people who are hungry, uneducated, and desperate. Most of the recruits for Al Qaeda (not all - some are rich and comfortable no doubt) are poor and angry. Most of them are just exploited by fanatics. They don't read blogs asking them to apologize or rationalize. They just see the black and white BS of the world "USA ATTACKS/BOMBS VILLAGE" or "BIN LADEN STRIKES THE TWIN TOWERS". We should pity these people. Or maybe we should pity our leaders, who enable them through war and foreign policy meddling/implanting dictators. 

The boy who did this stupid act against the cartoonist is Somalian and no different than those pirates who do that stuff not because it's a stable way of life- but because they have nothing to lose.

I am nod defending this guy, but I'm more disappointed in the idiots like Bush who had the power to catch and kill Bin Laden, but decided against it in order to enrich himself. What do you expect from poor and uneducated and radicalized people? I expect more from the "sane world," if i can borrow a phrase from Fred.   

the poor 75 years old Kurt

the poor 75 years old Kurt Westergaard had his 5 year old grandchild on visit when attacked in his home, he left his grandchild whom with a broken leg in the room alone, and sought refuge in the safety of a buncker in the house!

I don't give a damn whether he insulted Islam and its profet, muslims or the god almighty himself! To be attacked in your very own home! by a deranged and brainwashed Islamist thug ! that must be a couragous act ! 

We shall wait and see how "good" muslims will pour out and give thier support to this GUY in public!!! I think not!

Faramarz: you are welcome. those weren't his exact words

I just paraphrased what I thought Nehru said to Ghandi, who disagreed with Nehru and said that Muslims should stay with India.  

He was absolutely right and the man deserves more credit as the first prime minister of India for what he did. What a great founding father of a nation. 

As for Israel, it is just a sick experiment that was destined to bring misery and bloodshed into the world, like the Islamic Damned Republic - maybe that is the point. These conflicts keep the Middle East a chaotic and unattractive place. A great place for all the shady things we see today. In other words, Israel from its founding was an inorganic nation that punished Arabs for what happened in Europe. I don't like Arabs for how they treat Iranians, but I will be consistent and say that founding a nation in the name of a religion, ANY religion, is wrong and equals shaky foundation.

One of the reasons I hate the GOP in America is how obsessed they are with pushing religion, instead of spending time on important matters of state. The presidents of this country have had to talk to evangelists every time they screw up. It's sickening. 

George Bush used to talk to the one in Colorado who turned out to be gay and a patron of prostitutes. Ted Haggard. Once per week that a**hole was talking to the leader of the free world. 

Say what you will about Obama, but he doesn't waste time with stupid religion and hocus pocus. 

I have read the Bible, and the way it talks about women is offensive to me. Very offensive. The Koran is even worse in many ways. When I see the way the prophet treated women and their families. The way Aisha was treated makes me sick. This is not something to worship. It is something to pity. I think this blog is nonsense. It doesn't address the problem of Islam at all. Sorry if that offends some of you.

Faramarz Fateh

NO RELIGION SHOULD HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN RULING ANY COUNTRY.  Including the Vatican.

Does that also include the all-male UHJ (i.e. the Baha'i UNIVERSAL HOUSE OF JUSTICE)?

Marge with crush THANK YOU!

I love the quote you have attributed to Jawahar Nehru. I trust its a true. Thanks for posting it!!  I am going to use it from now on, with your permission of course.

What you say about Israel is not entirely true.  Although I am 100% against any mix of religion and ruling of a country Israel's problem did not start with them going on the offense or being the initial aggressor.

The first 2 attacks on Israel was started by Arabs.  Additionally, the British and the U.S. use Israel as a means of indirect control of the mid east.  The original group of Jews who headed Israel did not want such a future for the country.

NO RELIGION SHOULD HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN RULING ANY COUNTRY.  Including the Vatican.

Masnavi (prologue)

Har kas az zann-i-khod shod yar-i-man

Najost az darun asraar-i-man

Everybody became my friend according to their own consideration

None searched for my secrets from within me!

Those who only have blind faith

Become offended at ridicule and criticism of their sacred icons. Those whose faith is not blind, but deep, have no reason to take offense because if these icons are truly sacred in a real way and the Divinity you worship is truly omnipotent, how could the ignorance or ridicule of detractors possibly hurt it? Think about it!

Consider that all these Muslims (or whatever other religious adherent) who have taken offense with Salman Rushdie all the way to these Danish cartoons really don't have a real, deep, abiding inner faith in the contents of their relgion and the bigger picture that they claim. And perhaps this is precisely the core of the problem here. It is not an abundance of faith, but a real lack of it  as the source of the problem , because true faith can never actually be blind. True faith is inner vision of the contents of belief!

It is all in the interpretation

It is amazing how a kind heart Rumi goes to tavern and fills up his cup with love and compassion....and an ill heart goes to tavern becomes drunk and takes away innocent lives so violently!

Har kesi az zann khod shd yar man;

Az daroon man najost asraar man;

Everyone has become acquainted with me based on his self image;

No one ever searched to understand my deep secret;

Oriana Falaci :

"The Muslims refuse our culture and try to impose their culture on us. I reject them, and this is not only my duty toward my culture-it is toward my values, my principles, my civilization." 

Freedom of Speech is one of those principals and values that she was talking about. 

Jawaharlal Nehru had an admirable approach to Islam

Sever a nation from Islam to move it forward. He knew that the Muslims could never coexist with Hindus. He was right. Look at India, then look at Pakistan. What a visionary! Oh and look at what good religion has done for Israel, the promised land from God. LOL.

FYI/HISTORY FORUM: Islam and the West: Clash of Civilizations ?

Some answers or further questions here ...

HISTORY FORUM: Islam and the West: Clash of Civilizations ? (Santa Clara University, CA)

Perosnally I think it is the notion of Jihad in Islam which is the source of the intolerance that thrives in this religion.

Unlike Jesus, Muhamed WAS a Warrior ...

The Crusades was something that appeared much later and to my knowledge was not preached by Jesus himself.

I don't see what kind "beat" Jesus' pacifism expressed by the lending of your cheek if someone hits you on another.

Dear mannya2001, surrender? me?

Dear mannya2001,

I ain’t surrendering nothing, my friend.  It is called freedom of expression (1st amendment).  

If we do not agree with a bunch of nut-cases who are blowing people just because an idiot has a piece of faux-tawa in his pocket and a promissory note for 72 virgins, we gotta stand up and say:  Helloooooo, he is full of it, so is the person who gave him this faux-tawa and the hut at the virgin-land. 

Over here, freedom of religion (2nd amendment) does not mean that you can do whatever the heck you want just because it is part of your religious freedom.  It has worked for over 200 years and no one dares change it, especially in light of Islamist organizations like IRI, Saudi, Al-Qaida, Taliban,……

I can count many other amendments that these islamists are violating with impunity, in the name of religion. 

Compassion for your fellow mankind before you reach for God.

Qur'an begs to differ JJ

"There are some among them who talk ill of the Prophet. For those who offend Allah's Apostle there is a painful punishment. Have they not realized that anyone who opposes Allah and His Prophet will abide in hell forever?"

Qur'an (surah 9:14)

JJ this is a great message

it really is time for muslim leaders to take a stand. i also think that secular people of muslim origins can also play an important part in speaking up and making their voices heard.

thanks for the blog

To Cost of progree!

Apparently, the short history lesson 101 went over your head... Sir!? Or, maybe you are one of those deniers who believes that Iranians (including those who rallied behind the mullahs and chanted Death to America and BTW their #'s were in the millions back in 1979) have no fault or blame to bear and everything is the fault of the others! Where have you been for the past 31 years, Sir? 
Yes, indeed, I am a right-winger!? I do support military action against the Islamic Regime and its thugs and its apparatus but not against the civilians and its infrastructure (although it would be an easy thing to do militarily speaking)! Are you happy with my profile now!?
Don't worry I am not concerned with Joe hilly billy Bob shooting me, I can defend myself! You only wish you would face a hill billy Joe out of the movie "Deliverance" I am talking about highly educated folks taking the law in their hands. Believe you me Mr./Ms. Cost of Progress, the resentment towards Middle Eastern folks in general and various countries of that area in particular is very very high even in the likes of neighborhoods I live in which is 20 minutes west of Boston!? Does that surprise you?
But, I am worried about the Iranian old lady who arrives at the Logan Airport and has to be subjected to all kinds examination and interrogation!? That lady could be your mother, my mother, or somebody else's mother!

to "everybody loves..."

Are you Iranian? Hard to believe.

You single out Iranians as you reference terrorism when no single Iranian has ever been convicted as one. You sound too much like Right Wing zealots we all have heard and perhaps spoken to.

I understand what you're saying, but I think you're off base...a bit...Iranians are not committing the terror crimes around the world dude...I know...I know what you're saying, but you're still off base. 

I think you should worry more about what the Islamic thugs are doing to the Iranian youth and  Iran in general these days before worrying about Joe Six Pack shooting at you.....

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Dear JJ

Your blog here resonates well with many discussions that have been going on in various fora in America since the 9/11 event. Many national, state, local, and community leaders have been asking this question where is the outrage of Muslims when fellow Muslims commit murder and crime against civilians!?
Consistent and continuous silence on the part Iranians (Muslim or not) and others on these crimes will bring collective punishment upon us all as I stated before, it's just a matter of time!?
Mark my word, there will be day when citizens of America will take the law in their own hands and shut-gun down anybody with a middle eastern background, complexion, accent, or any other ethnic signature if these terrorist events intensify and we continue to stay indifferent.
For those contributors here who like to philosophize, pontificate, and continue with your irrelevant and obsolete charand_o_parand, enjoy your freedom while you can since the following will come to your neighborhood sooner than you think:
*) Racial profiling,
*) Strip-downing at the airport security check points,
*) Examination of body cavities (some might actually enjoy this!?),
*) Bearing national ID cards that identifies you POB, etc.,
*) Tattooing your forehead with the letters Born in Iran (Some might enjoy this, anybody who has a tramp stamp here!?),
* Conjure up with your imagination.

Redicule is only one of many

"reasons" & "excuses" that Moslems give for being intolerant and quick with vengence....... Surely, this is known to the informed poster. 

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Good analysis

DW Duke,

It is on of the rare times, I agree with you! I happened only twice in the past. Hope one day all the people from all the ethnicities and religions see eye to eye in some matters, like I did with you now!

Ridicule of Religious Views

As a child I was always taught that it is poor etiquette to ridicule someone's religious beliefs just as it is poor etiquette to ridicule someone's ethnicity.  In today's society it is more than just a matter of etiquette.  It is now a matter of serious social impropriety much like passing gas in a crowded elevator.  While there is some degree of tolerance for jokes about  one's own religious faith or ethnic heritage even there it can become excessive. 

There is humor that does not ridicule someone's faith or ethnicity but it is often difficult for some to tell the difference.  As a result some people "cross the line" with their religious or ethnic humor.  Others unjustly criticize innocent religious or ethnic humor that has no ridiculing element. 

My rule of thumb is that if the humor casts a person of a particular faith or a religious leader of a particular faith into a negative light then it crosses the line.  But as many have said in this thread, crossing the line is never a justification for physical violence or aggression against the perpetrator of the social "infraction."  If the person is truly ignorant that his humor went too far, sometimes it is appropriate to politely explain why it might be offensive but the explanation should not be in anger and should not itself be laced with insults.  That only exacerbates an already diminished situation.  

Islam will disappear without killing

Mannya is right that Islam will disappear if it stops punishing the free thinking with death penalty. "Accept our daft rules or we kill you" is the main tenet of Islam. Unfortunately the examples are set by the prophet who killed anyone who ridiculed him or questioned his authority.

That however is the militant Islam and I am sure a modified Islam, good for the everyday needs of the believer will emerge, just as Christianity did at the end of the appropriately called dark ages.

We all must thank Kurt Westergaard and the other cartoonist who opened this debate with their courageous action. What they did was the best way to challenge the untouchable totems.

Sorry Souri

Sorry Souri but I am having difficulty following your posts in this thread.  

Hi DW Duke

Ebi Amirhosseini said : stick to the subject!

and I am sure he will follow me everywhere from now on, to repeat the same thing and spot the spammer...

So please, do blog about it if you want and I will come and say what I have to say.

Thank you dear.

human rights are not illegal

bahram g

you said "illegal is illegal,"  and i say circular reasoning is circular reasoning.  iri has made basic human rights illegal.  does that mean iranians shouldn't fight for their rights?  does that mean only expatriates who live in free countries can speak against the inhumanity that is being waged against their countrymen?  i'm not insinuating that you're pro-iri; however, you're using the same lame argument that those mozdoors are using on this site (and elsewhere).

jj

i totally agree with your blog.  that's why i don't hold my breath for some mullah to declare fatwa against the iranian regime.  they won't.  even montazeri never did.  some of the faithful muslims (not necessarily those who're in a powerful position) that have demonstrated against cartoons would not demonstrate against honor killings, rape of children and many other heinous crimes which are committed in the name of islam.

i don't know how this blog turned into an analysis of zionism, but one thing for sure that is that the zionist state of israel which is comprised mostly of secular people will not commit the "highest offense" as jj put it against their own people.  even rabin's assassin was not executed.  it just goes to show me that some principles are sacred after all, as in human life.  now i can hear the rumblings that israelis are killing palestinians, but this blog is about muslims issuing fatwas against those who seemingly ridicule islam/muslims and/or against other muslims (whether believers or those who are just "labeled" muslim like myself).  ahmadi could not have done a better job in diverting attention from the gist of this blog and make the discussion into an essay on zionism.

Apparently a female

member of the Chap is amused and outraged (I hope so) by the taken out of context comic quote.

But as a matter of principle and proof, I have attached the link to one of the most infamous Chapie advocates of murder, death, and destruction in the name of Islamic republic of Allah who happens to be a frequent contributor to the Iranian.com, Mr Ardeshir Omani:

//iranian.com/ommani.html

I would be much obliged to present more cases upon request!