ZIONISM - WHY ARABS & MUSLIMS CALL THE ISRAELIS

A Bunch Of Bigots

Mehdi, it appears that you wasted your time writing a piece on this subject.

No matter what, there will always be a group of people, who have made themselves known here, that are staunch opponents of the existence of Israel.

They subscribe and adhere to all of the negative stereotypes surrounding Jews and Judaism, with one of these a*holes going so far as to call the Holocaust an "excuse" to establish the country in 1948.

An EXCUSE!

These people are beneath contempt. They hate Jews, hate Bahais and hold themselves superior.

They are not students of history, and they are not versed in the truth. They choose to ignore it, and they are doomed to repeat it.

They will always blame Jews and Bahais for their own failures in life, which are many. Those failures will continue, so long as they refuse to be accountable and take responsibility for the decisions they make. They have never looked at themsleves in the mirror, for if they have, they would be sickened by what they see.

I, for one, am sickened whenever I see them.

well done

keep up a good work. The truth is boiling the blood of our residnt islamofacists.

Israel vs. Occupation

Zionism has many forms. Some are spiritual, pacifist and humanist, and some violent and xenophobic. Political Zionism has fulfilled its goal in Israel proper of establishing a state where Jews can thrive and where all citizens are (almost) treated equally under the law. Benny Morris acknowledges that this process involved the expulsion of many native inhabitants. This is incontrovertible, and Morris laments that these expulsions did not go far enough.... 
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I oppose the violent expulsions that midwifed Israel proper but I do not oppose this country as it currently exists.  My contention is with the hitnakhluyot, settlements built outside the Green Line.  Here is where a violent form of religo-political Zionism is making life a living hell for the Palestinians who are its daily victims. 
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These settlers, by slowly expanding into the West Bank, are reducing the chances that a viable Palestine will ever emerge.  Their goal is the gradual cleansing of the West Bank (and Gaza) of its Arab residents.  They are sweeping Palestinian land from under the feet of its people, and they are threatening the future of Israel by making a two state solution impossible.
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Mehdi Mazloom does Israel and her citizens a dangerous disservice by conflating their country with the Occupation.  By failing to make this distinction, he is ensuring that the delegitimization of an immoral Occupation contributes to the delegitimization of Israel herself.

How boring!

Yet another zionist supporter playing gymnastics with the truth, re-writing history, and denying the ugly truth about zionism's inherent racism and colonialism. These are the real revisionists with nothing positive to contribute other than to continue on with the oppression of Palestinians.

We have heard all this before, and none of it changes the simple facts on the ground:

- Zionists invaded Palestinian land and set up a colony through terrorism and ethnic cleansing;

- Palestinians have every right to continue their struggle with Arab and world support;

- Israel is an embarrassment to Jews and Judaism, and there will be no peace for Jews in Palestine for as long as Israel exists as a racist Apartheid state.

There has to be a regime change in Israel with a single democratic state for Palestinians and Jews and other religious minorities alike in Palestine and with Jerusalem under an international mandate.

No need for more bloodshed, racism and exclusivity.

Peace!

Mazloom, I knew you have not

read the Herzl Paper or any of the Zionist Congress agenda, otherwise you would have known how disgusting Zionism really is :-)

Here's a reference for you:

The Documentary History of the Middle East Conflict, by Walter Laqueur  and Barry Rubin editors, is just a collection of DOCUMENTS.

If you are used to www. kinda reading only, check the book at 

www.penginputnam.com, listed under history books.

The first quote AGAIN was from :

"Theodor Herzl: The Jewish State (1896)"

The second AGAIN was from:

"The First Zionist Congress: The Basle Declaration (August 1897)

and here were the quotes again :-)

Herzl paper on craetion of a Jewsih State:

...Here two territories comes under consideration, Palestine and
Argentine. In both countries important experiments in colonization have
been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration
of Jews.

Abd here's  from the First Zionist congress:

The aim of Zionisn is to create for the Jewish people a home in
Palestine secured by public law. The congress contemplates the
following means to the attainment of this end:

1. The promotion, on suitable lines, of colonization of Palestine by Jewish agricultural and industrial workers.

ZioNazis pick and choose as they see fit

Quote: - what "Chosen People" means

For Jews it means chosen to work hard. Educate their children to be independent, studious and contribute to societies in which the live. 

Quote: - why they need to use Americaan advanced weapons to segregate peope based on their religion

21% of Israel's population is made of non-Jews. where these minorities have 10 members in the legislative body representing their interest. A member in the Cabinet, and a Judge sitting on the country's highest court. 

After 2000 years, this is the first time in Jerusalem's history which all the religions are respected and their respective believers have full access to their house of prayers.

Quote: - why would God promise people some land and when and at which notary public the dead was transferred to them?

The "Notery Public" was Unite nations. The date was 14, May 1948.

Quote: - why Israel is the second most resented country in the world.

The fact is, Israel has more friends and allies around the  world then despotic regime of Iran. If your statement would have been true, people would not do business with Israel. They do.   

and many other questions that have been repeated endlessly. Their usual
answer is that those who ask these are Nazis! What a bunch of miserable
people. No wonder they are resented EVERYWHERE.

Since you can't stand up like man(or woman) to put an intelligent and convincing argument. So insults are the better way. Israelis are far happier and content with their lives then many innocent and oppressed Arabs and Muslims throughout the region.

Agha Maytee

you are right, I do sound a bit confused! LOL

There is nothing wrong:

- Nothing wrong with any people thinking they are "chosen people";

- Nothing wrong if jews are proud of who they are and say so every chance they get.  That's good.

-  Nothing wrong even if they try to ruin you once they realize you are not supporting their cause. 

These, and many other generailzations, are anti-semitic, in my opinion.

However, what is not anti semitic is to object to injustice and subjugation of an inncocent population (palestinians), or objecting to spreading lies against a very large segment of humanity (muslims and anyone who comes from a muslim country), or against a conspiracy to black-list their opponents by deceit, or being outraged at how the zionists are provoking world powers to attack Iran in an ever expanding war against their neighbors. These actions will end up in disaster for millions of people and zionists themselves.  

One more thing people should bear in mind, people like Mehdi, zion, etc. do not represent majority of Israelis, let alone majority of jews.  These are extreme right likudites who have taken over Israel the same way neo-conservatives have taken over US policy.

jalelo

quote:

.Here two territories comes under consideration, Palestine and
Argentine. In both countries important experiments in colonization have
been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration
of Jews.

Please, Post the link to both speeches, let me read and will get back with you.

shimon you are a confused man

You write:

I have worked with many jews and I have good friends among them. What
you might not realize that Jews and Zionist are one and the same when
it comes to the issue of Israel.

And later

They (Jews) will do anything in their power to ruin you if they realize you are not subservient to their cause. 

 So, some of those "best friends will do everything to ruin you". Yet you call them "good friends".

that is a convoluted logic isn't it?.

Find another pasture my friend. You make no sense.

you are wasting your time jaleho

Of course your points won't get addressed.  That's not how this excercise works.  

This is to use iranian.com to post and move on- repeatedly.  There is no discussion here.  These guys are not naive.  They are here for propaganda, and maybe taking down a few names. Besides, the facts are well known to all sides.  This excercise is to shout down dissent, and, as we say in Persian, "goosh-e mardom ro por kardan".

Zionists are prennial victims, don't you get it?  

Mazloom, let's go easy on your reading

How about you digest these two paragraph first. One from Herzl creation of a Jewish state and the second from the first Zionist congress of 1897. Tell me if you still don't think that Zionism was a colonial scheme?

Herzl paper on craetion of a Jewsih State:

...Here two territories comes under consideration, Palestine and Argentine. In both countries important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews.

Abd here's  from the First Zionist congress:

The aim of Zionisn is to create for the Jewish people a home in
Palestine secured by public law. The congress contemplates the
following means to the attainment of this end:

1. The promotion, on suitable lines, of colonization of Palestine by Jewish agricultural and industrial workers.

Hey Agha Maytee

you picked up the pen and decided to write about an underdog so you get some attention. I think you picked the wrong side. I have worked with many jews and I have good friends among them. What you might not realize that Jews and Zionist are one and the same when it comes to the issue of Israel. Any Jew even the ones that do not practice believe that they are of a chosen race. They jump in any conversation to let everyone know that they are Jews and a cut above all. They will do anything in their power to ruin you if they realize you are not subservient to their cause.

Do not mix Iranian Jews in this mixture. Iranian Jews have been manipulated but they are still good Iranians. You have very little knowledge of Palestine and the issue of land invasion.

You are defending the oppressor and you will not even get a thank you note from a single Jew.

You will better serve the true good jews if you change your view and reflect the truth, of course once you read all the details that JALELO has give you and I know it can run one crazy to read all of it.....

LOL and Thanks

Don't be ignorant!

The Arabs have no reason to be mad that the Zionists conquered their land, stripped them of their resources to survive, and are performing the second Holocaust as we speak? You make it seem as if the Palestinians are being completely irrational regarding their feelings about foreign invaders entering their land, killing their youth, and committing countless atrocities on the Palestinian people. I do not hold the neighboring Arab countries in the same regard, but what is going on in Palestine is unquestionably rooted in the conquest of Israel and the practice of Zionism, which is annihilating the Palestinians daily. Do not just sit in front of your television and watch the news. Read books. Don't be ignorant!

ZioNazis pick and choose as they see fit

They only repeat what their brainwashing teaches them and never truly listen or get involved in a discussion. They are no different than a brainwashed fanatic Muslim or Christian. They only pick and choose what they want to reply to, or what they want to see or hear. This is advice from the multi-million dollar New york PR companies that give guidance to them on how to make Israel appear good in the world. These are of course the same firms that were directing the Nazis on how to make germany and Hitler appear good - the falsehood propaganda firms. Not one of these ZioNazis will ever discuss:

- what "Chosen People" means

- why they need to use Americaan advanced weapons to segregate peope based on their religion

- why would God promise people some land and when and at which notary public the dead was transferred to them?

- why Israel is the second most resented country in the world

and many other questions that have been repeated endlessly. Their usual answer is that those who ask these are Nazis! What a bunch of miserable people. No wonder they are resented EVERYWHERE.

"Professor" of Jewish History - jalelo

If you wish me to read and respond to your posts. then concentrate on one two or 3 links. Don't littler the blog with thousands link.

I will read those to which I think of worthy and respond to each one of them.

Herzl suggestion of a Jewsih State (1896)

//iranian.com/main/2008/things-have-change#comment-68130

Israel NEVER sought Justice!

by Jaleho on Thu Jun 05, 2008 08:40 PM CDT

Fariba
wrote:

"The Jewish people lived in Palestine 2000 years ago. It is
understandable that, in their desperate search for safety and security,
they wanted to return to this land, especially after the Holocaust."

That is the funny reasoning the Zionists give to Americans who
don't know real history of Zionism and creation of Israel and hope
people would accept it as a FACT.

First, the ancient Palestine, the land of Canaan, has been
inhabited by many other groups, prior and after the Jewish kingdom:
Greeks, Hebrews, Christians, Pagans, Persians, Arabs, and old Canaanite
tribes. In that 5000 years, Jewish kingdom of David and Soloman only
lasted 73 years!! Even if you consider the entire on-off Jewish kingdom
from conquest of David to fall of Judah (1000BC-586BC), you get about
400 years. Somehow, the present day Zionist made that more important
than 1300 years of CONSECUTIVE occupation of the land by Muslim and
Christian Palestinians, and think the repetition of that absurd Jewish
claim in US congress and US media actually gives the jews a RIGHT to
other people's land. That is as absurd a basis for land claim as is the
God's promise to his chosen favorites.

Secondly, Herzl (father of modern Zionism) was considering some land in either Palestine -Or-ARGENTINE for a Jewish State.



See, Zionism was a racist scheme born at the end of 19th century,
early 20th century, which is historically the period of colonialism and
settlements. Its purpose was no different than European settlers in
colonial regions that reached Africa, Asia, and Latin America. And,
like other colonial cases, it was the poor and disadvantage Jews who
were supposed to go first and do the dirty work. {called Society of
Jews}. I will quote for you from the article of Herzl in which he
proposes the idea of "The Jewish State" in 1896 for the first time:

"The plan : The whole plan is in its essence perfectly simple, as
it must necessarily be if it is to come within the comprehension of
all. Let the sovereignty be granted to us over a portion of the globe
large enough to satisfy the rightful requirement of a nation; the rest
we shall manage ourselves. The creation of a new state is neither
ridiculous nor impossible.....The government of all countries scourged
by anti-Semitism will be keenly interested in assisting us to obtain
the sovereignty we want. { can you see how ironically anti-Semitism is
similar to Zionism in principle, and is being used to create it?! i.e.,
let's separate European Jews and send them away, rather than change
individual country's anti-Semitic practices; let alone that the Jews
who lived in Palestine for centuries, did equally well with Muslims and
Christians there. }

...The plan, simple in design, but complicated in execution, will
be carried out by two agencies: The Society of Jews and The Jewish
Company

...We must not imagine the departure of Jews to be a sudden one.
It will be gradual,{but} continuous, and will cover many decades ...
The emigrants lowest in economic scale will be slowly followed by those
of higher grade...

...Should the powers {in this case Britain, which was the mother of
many other colonies, and the superpower du jour, the same role Israel
sees in US now} declare themselves willing to admit our sovereignty
over a neutral piece of land, then the Society {of Jews} will enter
into negotiations for the possession of this land. Here two territories
comes under consideration, Palestine and Argentine. In both countries
important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the
mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. An infiltration
is bound to end badly. It continues till the inevitable moment when the
native population feels itself threatened, and forces the government to
stop a further influx of Jews. Immigration is consequently futile
unless we have the sovereign right to continue such immigration..."

As you see that holocaust was just a later EXCUSE to complete
colonization of Palestine, which was the clear objective of the Zionist
movement from 1896.

Later, in The Biltmore Program- Towards a Jewish State (
May,11,1942), Ben Gurion went to US, organizing American Zionists to
reformulate this forceful Jewish immigration using the Nazi persecution
as the pretext to continue Herzl recipe of 1896!! This was followed by
the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry (1946),
where the jews took only its 6th recommendation seriously: more massive
Jewish immigration without native acquiescence. They discarded the part
that prohibited the Jewish demand of forceful immigration to create a
Jewish majority!

So, there was no original justice in mind in the beginning that you think has backfired now!

And, there's no good intention from either Israelis or Americans
who have extended the "peace process" just to give Israel enough time
to gobble up as much of Palestine as they can.

One thing that Herzl didn't know back in 1896 is that colonialism
and apartheid would DIE in the 20th century. Israel and Zionism , as
the last pillars of it will follow suit. That's why everyone talks so
nervously about EXISTENCE of illegitimate state of Israel, and talks
about 60 years as if it the most important part of the 5000 year
history of that region! That 60 years is just a historical BLINK,
typical of all historical aberrations, and will be at most another
blink before it disappears in the dust bin of time by history's
mandate. South African racists spoke with no less of an arrogance than
Israelis today.

Abarmard

Thanks for link. Unfortunately I have no time to read it all. However, one thing many educated Iranian and Arabs don't seem to grasp that, they are barking at an old and discarded tree.

I reality, Zionism in Israel is a passe. It gave way to modern state of Israel, long long time ago, Zionists was replaced by Israeli. No one among the new generation of Israelis identifies himself as Tsi-yo-ni (Zionists).

But it is real entertainment to watch the ideiot Mullahs in tehran keep harping on the same discaded name. 

Mazloom, most Israeli Jews are ZIONISTS

I am glad that at least you learnt that it is a good thing to distinguish Zionism from Judaism. Furthermore, you seem to be unconciously realizing that Zionism is a "stinky" thing and it smell seems to be starting to reach your nose like it has to the rest of humanity :-)

But, your note here shows that you still don't understand the nature of Zionism. Zionism IS INDEED NOTHING BUT A COLONIAL SCHEME, just like what the European designs in South America and Africa and yes, apatheid south Africa.

To show you the above, I have already bothered to type relevant  parts of Herzl orginal paper of 1896 about a Jewish state. I will copy it later again, maybe you'll bother to read. Pay attention that Herzl asks the European colonizing  powers to be granted a piece of land in ARGENTINE -or-PALESTINE for creation of a Jewish state.

And, here's the exact first item of the First Zionist Congress, The Basle Declaration of 1897, right after they agree that land to be in Palestine rather than Argentine:

The aim of Zionisn is to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law. The congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end:

1. The promotion, on suitable lines, of colonization of Palestine by Jewish agricultural and industrial workers.

The entire thing is less than half a page, I don't know why you never bother to read you OWN ZIONIST documents.

I will cut and paste Herzl original suggestion for a Jewsih state and its nature (which I have typed for you before) in the next post to keep this short enough for you to actually read. I will also write seperately about the Judaism accpect regarding Israe.

Hey "shimon", goldeberg, or whatever.

you wrote:

You have not been kicked in the face by a alcoholic Russian who has migrated to Israel 

He was kicked by other young Russian immigrant thugs, whom were neo-nazi groups. What I do know, they were caught and convicted. During their trial these young Russian had apologized to the man whom they beat. 

Change your name to SHIMON MAZLOOM or keep your silence. You are instigating people under a false Muslim name.

What makes you believe that Mehdi is not my real name????.  Also, sorry compadre'. I will write what I think I  should write, not what you think I should write. 

You have a choice to make. 

zion - you are welcome

תמשיך עם המאמץ

Zionists in the Wonderland "And everybody lived happily

ever after. jews had taken over the best pieces of land, Palestinians were put into concentration camps to be kept quite, the jewish prime minister was taking bribes, the jewish president was raping the women in his office and....."

Excerpts from the book called "Zionists in the Wonderland" by Mash Mammad. Published by Amghezi INC. 2008

AS always

I am going to post my favorite quote and book. I believe this is a better explaination:

//rwor.org/a/125/kovel-interview-en.html

Hate connoisseurs

Iranian Islamist/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies are up to their eyeballs with hate for Israel and Jews anywhere and consequently what is being done to Iran and Iranians by the Islamist regime they are so much enamored with is of no consequence to them. As long as the Islamist republic validates their hatred they are willing to forget all and do a bang-up whitewashing job of all their crimes . All this professed love of justice for the Palestinians, who volunteered in droves to fight Iranians alongside Saddam’s invading hordes, is just a cover for manifesting this hatred.

Peace Now

שלום עכשיו

funny Mazloom! very funny!

Naturi Karta are like the Mullahs???
They have tanks and planes and bombs and control the whole country?

You are just like that bald guy. You can't stand free speech by people you don't agree. Take a look again on that video.

You have it backwards. They are the true, silent voice of the Jew that have been marginalized by the rich and powerful Zionists.

Educate yourself. This is a real human being:

Zion...

Trying to be the lowest common denominator is not a contest on the site ;)

Another good one

Thanks Mehdi. Keep it up and don`t mind the islamofascist usual ranting.

Iranians are not anti semite?

During The Shah regime,Iran was home to over 250,000 Jews and that was the biggest concentration of Jews outside Israel,and still is.During The Shah regime Iranians trusted a Jewish business man more than a Muslim business man.What is going on in Iran right now is that the more the government think they can show that they are anti Zionism the more they are popular in the eyes of the Muslims.This is more political then anything else.Peace on Earth

hey Mehdi

the best you can do in your life is not to advertise for Israel. You have not been kicked in the face by a alcoholic Russian who has migrated to Israel and calls it his homeland and you have not been slapped in the face by a British who moves to Israel and calls it his homeland to oppress the helpless people of Palestine.

Change your name to SHIMON MAZLOOM or keep your silence. You are instigating people under a false Muslim name. I am no supporter of IRI or PLO but I am not a supporter of Zionism either. Change this subject.

Thanks