nadeem khan

SK

It's really interesting how you want people to see things: people "gang up" on this guy till he gets blocked? So he is not responsible for getting blocked but other people are? Are you serious? And you go around accusing other people of being dumb.

And can you please say what is the proof that Fred is Israeli and that he is an Organisation? I know this rumour was started by SargordPirouz but proof SK, not rumour.

A lot more than you

And your hate-mongering, gang-stalking and criminal Bahai Internet Agency.

Shut up, PF

What the hell do you understand of poetry. Your business is hate mongery and propagation of hypocracy. Stay with your business, AH.

Rumi's poem

Needs to be put in the bigger context of things. When all was said and done, he was not some head in the cloud hippy either. The one book about Rumi most Westerners should read is one written by a Baha'i academic of Persian Studies (one of only a handful of Baha'is I deeply respect): Franklin D. Lewis Rumi, Past and Present, East and West (Oxford: 1999).

In this book Lewis proves that all of these ecstatic poetic outbursts of Rumi need to be put within the larger context of his life as a committed Muslim where the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) stands as the ultimate universal example and celestial pole to both himself as well as to Shams of Tabriz. In fact, the letters (maqalaat) of Shams of Tabriz prove that Shams held any deviation from the sunnah of the Prophet as a serious deviation - period! - and not a sign of enlightenment. In other words, the shar'ia was central to the praxis of both Rumi and Shams. Lewis' book proves this fact further and so lays the myth of the hippy Rumi currently popular in the New Age culture of the West to bed forever.

This poem

Why think thus O men of piety

I have returned to sobriety

I am neither a Moslem nor a Hindu

I am not Christian, Zoroastrian, nor Jew

I am neither of the West nor the East

Not of the ocean, nor an earthly beast

I am neither a natural wonder

Nor from the stars yonder

Neither flesh of dust, nor wind inspire

Nor water in veins, nor made of fire

I am neither an earthly carpet, nor gems terrestrial

Nor am I confined to Creation, nor the Throne Celestial

Not of ancient promises, nor of future prophecy

Not of hellish anguish, nor of paradisic ecstasy

Neither the progeny of Adam, nor Eve

Nor of the world of heavenly make-believe

My place is the no-place

My image is without face

Neither of body nor the soul

I am of the Divine Whole.

I eliminated duality with joyous laughter

Saw the unity of here and the hereafter

Unity is what I sing, unity is what I speak

Unity is what I know, unity is what I seek

Intoxicated from the chalice of Love

I have lost both worlds below and above

Sole destiny that comes to me

Licentious mendicity

In my whole life, even if once

Forgot His name even per chance

For that hour spent, for such moment

I’d give my life, and thus repent

Beloved Master, Shams-e Tabrizi

In this world with Love I’m so drunk

The path of Love isn’t easy

I am shipwrecked and must be sunk.

Rumi 

This poem is beautiful.  

PF setting new records for desperation

I haven't seen anything from Bahais to prove to me they are: "anti-Iranian, Islamophobic, war-mongering criminal bigots who spew endless hate-speech and commit endless hate-crimes against their critics".

In all the years you have posted here, under your countless usernames, you have not produced a single shred of evidence to prove anything criminal or war mongering about Bahais as a group (no doubt there are individual idiots in any group, including Bahais).

And now you have become so desperate that you have resorted to producing links to your own anti-Bahai vitriol that you posted previously on IC under one of your countless usernames, in this case "Nur", as evidence against them. Which also serves to prove that unlike what you said earlier (or more accurately, lied about), you are the same character under another username.

That surely redefines the word sad. A classic case of "az roobaah-e miporsan shaahedet kiyeh? Migeh domam".

Nima, seriously let go of this insane hatred. Baba, get out and get a girlfriend (or a boyfriend, if you prefer), heck, try on-line dating if you can't do it face to face and enjoy life, and stop making pointless threats against Bahais. They are already suffering plenty as it is, and they have nothing to do with any US or Israel attack that the Islamists, you now so admire, are actually wishing for. But then you know that already, don't you?

Oh and, I doubt if there is any God up there to help anyone, Bahai or otherwise.........shame for you though since you for one sure could do with some serious amount of divine assistance, given your inner turmoil.

Reality-Bites

Let's face it, you and the organization who wheels you out on I.com are anti-Iranian, Islamophobic, war-mongering criminal bigots who spew endless hate-speech and commit endless hate-crimes against your critics, Muslims and the Iranian nation. Outside of the virtual walls of this cesspool where you don't control the levers of discourse, your kind are known far and wide for what you are.

For everybody else, evidence of the violent criminal past of Bahaism: //iranian.com/main/blog/nur/bahai-hezbollah-pt-1

//iranian.com/main/blog/nur/bahai-hezbollah-pt-2-abbas-effendi-murderer

God help you Haifan Baha'is if Iran is attacked by Israel and the USA.

Nadeem Khan

The reason why people are not really addressing the contents of your blog is because, at best, one can say so what? to your points and, at worst, your points are pure nonsense.

Example: you state that Bahai assemblies meet only 50% of time. My reaction is, so what? Whether true or not, surely it's their business how often they want to meet. Why are you getting your pants in a twist about it? More to the point, why does that make them bad people?

Another example: You go on about people like Fridrick Glaysher etc, who are critical of Bahais. Again, so what? Every faith, belief, political ideology, whatever, has critics among its members or ex-members. This doesn't automatically make the faith in question evil, does it? Do Bahais go round imprisoning, torturing and murdering their critics, like one or two other faiths I could mention?

Another example, you state "Bahais have been nabbed on espionage charges and others on flouting laws of the land" and "..Eloping has become almost a law and not an exception. Faith. Extra-marital affairs are common (and for certain position-holding individuals legalized by the Faith), consuming alcohol has become a habit..".

What is your evidence for all these claims? Anyone can go round making up accusations about other people, but unless you can produce some credible data in support of your claims, it's only going to be regarded as hateful nonsense that it is.

Furthermore, a lot of your points are so inane that they can only be described as childish garbage. Example: you state that: "have you seen Baha'u'llah's picture and are you all ready to believe this Ugly Faced man to be the creator of the Beautiful Flowers and colourful Butterflies? His face itself is a proof of his being a Criminal Goon".  

So you call Baha'u'llah a "criminal goon", because you find his face ugly? That's your proof? In other words, according to your level of reasoning, ugly people automatically = criminal goons. And you want people to talk about views produced by this kind of mentality?

Above all, and all your anti-Bahai nonsense of a blog aside, the reason why people don't really bother with the content of your blog is that they know what kind of a person you are; a Bahai hating bigot, just like Wahid, no more, no less.

The fact that you post on IC only to pour vitriol on Bahais, makes that clear enough.

Oh and non-Bahais here don't necessarily "accept Baha'u'llah to be the manifestation of God". They just don't like seeing bigots continually propagating hate speech against a religious minority whose members have been under vicious state sponsored persecution for decades in Iran.

Allao Abho dear Baha'is and Baha'i sympathizers

I havn't read all the comments but I will like to reply to some that I have read.

1) I am not an Iranian. Hmmmm That's true!!! Ok, then how am I on their payroll? How do I receive the money from IRI? any Guess...!!! 

2) Hojatieh!!!! hmmm, Ok Juan cole is also Hujatieh, Fridrick Glaysher is also that, Wahid Azal is also that, Abdul Husain Aayati was also that!!!!, Steve Marshall is also that, Alison same, Jaques Soghomonian same, Larry Rowe hojatieh, Marangella hojatieh, Nosrat Hojatieh!!!! right ! I am hojatieh! All exposers are hojatieh! We have some IR and Hojatih agents in ITC and UHJ also!!!

See some more informations from hojatieh :

//bahai-scandals.blogspot.co.il

3) About Wahid Azal claiming prophethood. He has the right to claim. When a person with Criminal Record and a proved agent of Imerialists can claim to be a God, then why can't a person claim to be a prophet!!! it's amazing. You guys are ready to believe a dirty faced criminal to be a Manifestation of God but not a "Smart Guy" with so much knowledge as a prophet! 

4) Why don't you all non-Baha'is here accept Baha'u'llah to be the manifestation of God???? Reply please!

5) Have you seen Baha'u'llah's picture and are you all ready to believe this Ugly Faced man to be the creator of the Beautiful Flowers and colourful Butterflies? His face itself is a proof of his being a Criminal Goon! Keep other reasonings aside. Iranians are so beautiful, I even doubt this person to be of Iranian origin!! Hooh!

6) And this is really shameful to see the behaviour of some people, how illogical they can be in the enemity of the IR mullas. They have completely closed their minds. It is shameful, they don't want to read anything against Baha'i Cult, when the literate westerners today are exposing this cult on daily basis.

See these blogs also :

//bahaiculture.blogspot.co.il

//bahaism.blogspot.co.il

I am not going to reply to any comment further.

"See what is Said, don't see who says it"

Instead of attacking each other, you guys could have brought-up and discussed the content of the blog.

Bye.

Allao Abho

See my comment on the related blog concerning Trita ..

...

Trita admitted under oath,

Trita admitted under oath, he was paid by the CIA. Do you ever read SK or just like to run your motor mouth???

SK, you remind of those ditzy blondes...Don't bother even opening your mouth because you're a hopeless case.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Dearest Soosan Khanoom!

 I do like the poem you sent thank you! .it is true, but
when religion expires it turns into Fanaticism and instead of curing the spiritual
illnesses of Mankind, it aggravates them, that is why we need a new Remedy for
every age

We believe all the religions in essence are
one.

People are
attached to the lamp and not to the light, that is why they cannot recognize
when the light shines in a New Lamp. It is as people were looking at their Friend’s new
garment and not Himself, that is why people cannot recognize Their Friend in a
new garment.

Baha’u’llah
the founder of the Baha’i Faith teaches us that Moses and Jesus, Mohammad, and
Bahá’u’llah Himself as well as other great spiritual teachers are essentially
and spiritually the same person and have the same rank and  the essence of all religions is the same. The difference
between the religions is their social teachings and not their fundamental truths,
Religion and science are two great forces and according to the Baha’i teachings
have to be in harmony.

I would
like to share one of Baha’u’llah’s quotes on Unity of Religions

The case of Occupied Territory

First of all Baha’i are known for their wealth and there never been poor and educated Baha’i , at this stage the only thing is sinking is the Islamic Republic and the its supports, which are universally held in contempt, few stupid leftist that are obsessed with Imperialism and see Iran defying it, hence ignoring the crime committed against its own citizen, with jails full of Human Rights Lawyers, stoning raping etc.

Arabs stating from Yemen, conquered and from Iran to Morocco, destroying religion culture and languages, Pharaohs of  Egypt were not Arabs, but today Egypt is Arab, Libya, Morocco etc, in Present day Algeria and Morocco, 70% of Adult population was annihilated, as they resisted conversion,  Spain was the only country to survive, due to sting faith in Christianity and heroic deeds of people Like Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar  better know as El Cid, Spain was 800 years under Muslim Rule, Iran, was only 400, but you people never had the Moral and spiritual fire and strength to get rid of this vileness that is afflicted you ever since the defeat at Nehavand, with Zoroastrian now numbering less than a million world wide! 

Iran is different from Arab country in an illusive manner, due to its language, but look closely, the language is 80 percent Arabic, including the very word Farsi, which the Arabesque of Parsi, as they could not pronounce P, and substitute F for it.

The Iranian had virtually disappeared, and it was due to one man alone that made a present pathetic come back, and no it was not Ferdowsi Hafiz etc, It was Hulagu Khan, that issued an edict and had Persian made the official administrative language, by then it was almost 90% Arabic.

 There psychological phenomenon called the Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding,  which a victims bonds with his or her abuser, it seems Iranians and in particular these rabid Islamist that masquerade under various names and guise has perfect the bonding, remember that Omar was assassinated, by an irnian slave, who was former Espahbad Hormozd, captured at Battle Jelovla, he could no longer bear to see Iranian boys of age of 7 years being sodomized and dying from anal laceration, that was one of Omar's pastime pleasure.

Now judge for your self, is it not the time you follow the Spanish and Jewish example and liberate your selves! 

The only Illegal settlement in the Palestine or Judiah  is that Aqsa Mosque with those penis like structures called Minarat,

The reconquest of Spain, was aided by European and Papal state and it was on the frontier of Arab empire, were finally holy order and sovereignty of Christ was restore, but the creation of State of Israel is sheer miracle as it is a reconquest of magic magnitude, it is in middle of this vileness, an oasis of progress and democracy. and who is the Zionists? the real Zionists was an is Joshua, he was the  LAION of ZION!

Ruhi jan ... I say screw all the divisions and all the religions

This poem for you my friend with much love.  .  : )

Why think thus O men of piety
I have returned to sobriety
I am neither a Moslem nor a Hindu
I am not Christian, Zoroastrian, nor Jew

I am neither of the West nor the East
Not of the ocean, nor an earthly beast
I am neither a natural wonder
Nor from the stars yonder

Neither flesh of dust, nor wind inspire
Nor water in veins, nor made of fire
I am neither an earthly carpet, nor gems terrestrial
Nor am I confined to Creation, nor the Throne Celestial

Not of ancient promises, nor of future prophecy
Not of hellish anguish, nor of paradisic ecstasy
Neither the progeny of Adam, nor Eve
Nor of the world of heavenly make-believe

My place is the no-place
My image is without face
Neither of body nor the soul
I am of the Divine Whole.

I eliminated duality with joyous laughter
Saw the unity of here and the hereafter
Unity is what I sing, unity is what I speak
Unity is what I know, unity is what I seek

Intoxicated from the chalice of Love
I have lost both worlds below and above
Sole destiny that comes to me
Licentious mendicity

In my whole life, even if once
Forgot His name even per chance
For that hour spent, for such moment
I’d give my life, and thus repent

Beloved Master, Shams-e Tabrizi
In this world with Love I’m so drunk
The path of Love isn’t easy
I am shipwrecked and must be sunk.

Thanks Sean ...

: )

NK.PF, WAHID,MJ, ETC...

You don't worry about Baha'is, we have promises that we will be attacked by all the world in a not very  far future, the stronger   a Cause becomes, the more opposition and attacks it will receive.

Nobody throws a stone to a fruitless tree! 

پر طاووس و سوسن خانم

بخشید ها، جسارته اما شما‌ها یه طوری با منطق با اینا اختلاط می‌کنید انگار
که فرقی‌ هم میکنه! اینا ساز خودشونو میزنن، والسلام. هر جا صرف نداره کر و
لال و کور و خنگ میشن هر جا هم صرف داره یک زبون دارن ۶ متر با ۸ تا چشم
۱۶ تا گوش دراز! صرف و نا صرف هم بستگی به دستور و البته جیب اربابشون داره
و دو زاری که به اینا قراره برسه.

I see your points ... thanks dear PF ...

: )

NIAC is against war and so am I DEAL WITH IT!

I support any voice that is against any war in any place on this earth. This time, however, it happens to me my country of birth.  I continue to support NIAC as long as it remains antiwar ... the minute NIAC drops its anti war position they shall lose my support.  If your accusation of Trita is based on your witness Daee ... Then it is as laughable as Trita being Iraj khan,, 

I have stated on this site before that Trita has the support of left wing anti war politicians in this country but him being a CIA agent is a news to me.  i am not sure that is true cause CIA seems to be very much engaged with Neocons activity these days . 

But how dare you call me a liar while on a daily basis you guys seeking CIA's help and supporting Fred's agenda and accuse anyone who stands against Fred's daily bull shits of being an IRI supporter?   Not to mention that recently you came out of the closet and declared your support for Shah by getting yourself in non logical arguments with many greatpoints that Zendian brought up in the other blog. 

Democracy seeker my foot ... The biggest liars are people like you cause you guys even lie to yourselves.  

On a lighter note , good to see you getting out of the kitchen rather than asking me to be banned too ... that by itself is quite an improvement .. 

Soosan Khanoom

You have nothing to prove and do not need to justify yourself to anyone. These cyber-bullies are merely attempting to silence you and others with differing perspectives from theirs who aren't willing to tow the party line they want to ram down everyone's throat through intimidation, innuendo, fear-mongering and harrassment.

But take a good look at I.com and assess for yourself. The regime the interests behind this site wish to bring to Iran is what we see on I.com.

What a hypocritic liar.

What a hypocritic liar. You support NIAC and Trita who was paid by the CIA and you call me cia...and now you are best buddies with a lunatic who thinks he is A prophet high on opiates... You are either incredibly naive or just not so very bright.

Not even worth my time..  

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Vildemose .. I have been labelled anti-Semitic, IRI supporter

and much more here on this site... My blogs and comments on this site are for everyone to read and judge ...  Your cheap shot and accusation won't make me one but if that makes you feel better that's fine with me .... If you want to fight with IRI go back there and fight them rather than asking your daddy CIA do it for you !!

PERIOD  

You nailed it, Soosan Khanoom

"...a private, privileged, all inclusive Golf Club for bunch of super rich
white old farts who feel entitled to ban anyone they wish..."

This is what this site actually is. This is the agenda on whose behalf these people are truckin' here. This is why we had a Revolution 34 years ago (albeit it went bad and the Shah wasn't primarily to blame). This is what these people want to bring to Iran again. This is what they understand by "democracy" and "freedom."

God bless you. The fact that you are here and in these peoples face and speak as you do is proof that the Voice of Justice does indeed prevail in the Universe whatever else happens!

By the way,

Any religion can become political including Bahais .. I believe the argument that MJ used to do before she got blocked was that there is actually certain specific Bahai group who is very much political ...  if writing against political Islam is not a hate speech so does writing against political Bahaisim ... 

We have blogs here who discredit Islam ... we have commentators here who keep doing it on a daily bases and f those are not hate speech then similar attitude towards the Bahaisim shouldn't be consider hate speech either ...  

Fred can defend himself

Fred can defend himself better than anyone else here...

But one thing is curious, how can you support  IRI at any cost and be pro-peace?

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Fred is seeking starvation, war, and death on a daily basis

yet none of you guys who are obsessed with this particular blogger has a gut to even slightly disagree with Fred yet alone ask the admin to ban him !!  I have argued  many things with Fred  but I do not think so I have ever asked admin to ban him... cause I am against banning in general or at least I try my best to not ask that from admin despite the fact that I sometimes want it so badly!!

The internet is filled with hate speech these days .. guess what? Either grow up and handle it in the best way you can or just leave the kitchen if you can't take the heat...

This site is not a private, privileged, all inclusive Golf Club for bunch of super rich white old farts who feel entitled to ban anyone they wish.... This is a forum for discussion and should be open to everyone.   So we may, actually get the chance to listen and learn something from each other or argue it if we feel our opponent is wrong..  

I do respect those on this site who get this simple fact and i am so disappointed at those who don't!

Nadem Khan, ok  Bahaiis

Nadem Khan, ok  Bahaiis are wrong, though I really admire them.

what is your religion and how will you save the world?

enlighten us khan joon!

vildemose

Try not to burst a blood vessel. This is only the internet. It is all virtual.

The Hojjatiyeh does not exist and I am not old enough to have joined it when it was. The bogeyman you folks love so much hereabouts is a convenient fiction which even you folks don't believe in real life.

dear hate-soaked hojatieh

dear hate-soaked hojatieh supporter: I did not flag you. I have flagged you in the past but not this one.

I almost feel sorry for you now..You seem to need love and companionship more than anything else. Good luck. I hope you find whatever it is that you want..But please don't go killing yourself or anyone else.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

No reason to flag this comment, vildemose

Just because it brings home truths center stage...

by Peacock_Feather on Thu Oct 04, 2012 03:36 PM PDT

Believes - and not just regarding Fred - that a whole host of
discussions over many years, and especially the attacks on individuals
(many of whom have now left or been blocked), may in fact constitute
hate-speech and that contributors to this site may have in fact
committed hate-crimes against certain individuals here. Lines have been
crossed. One example is that where one contributor had his place of work
contacted by one of the other contributors here.

That said, you have no evidence of anyone here, particularly myself,
inciting violence against Salman Rushdie. Calling a novel he wrote
'crap' is not hate-speech or inciting violence. Having contributors
allege defamatory things about other posters which are not true, such as
what nosratmahallati has now done on multiple occasions here and others
have done before him far worse, is another matter entirely. You,
yourself, are also on record having crossed several lines.

The admin is welcome to block me. But this now is the enth public
occassion where they have been put on notice about the egregious
infringements to people's legal, civil and human rights occuring from
this website on a regular basis with the admins nor webmasters/owners
doing anything to rectify it.