BBC Persian's Bahman Kalbasi of the Washington Bureau investigates the source of the attacks on NIAC (Persian).
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Hovakhshotor,
by Mola Nasredeen on Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:27 PM PSTwho died to make you the boss? You've been here for just 2 days (I checked the date of registration for the name Hovakhshotor) and already bossing everybody around. Or maybe Hovakhshotor is the new name you have registered under?
Trita Parsi wins Award
by ocpersian on Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:22 PM PSTThis is great news for people seeking peace. Let's see how Sayed Hassan Daioleslam and his gangs connect this to IRI:))) Cheshm-e-hasood-koor,
//www.courier-journal.com/article/20091130/NEWS01/911300350/1008/Trita+Parsi+wins+World+Order+Grawemeyer+for+Mideast+insights
Mola, your starter is sufficient, so I won't elaborate
by Hovakhshatare on Mon Nov 30, 2009 09:48 PM PSTI know your type and the safsate. I'm the success you and Trita try to milk. Go bark up another tree and
با بیل وارد حرف مهندسا نشو
Hovakhshatare, it's you who is 2 days old (on Iranian dotcome)
by Mola Nasredeen on Mon Nov 30, 2009 08:25 PM PSTTrita Parsi and NIAC have been around for a long time, you just weren't around to know about their achievements. NIAC has real base among Iranian Americans and they actually pay for being a member.
This is what NIAC says about us:
Iranian-Americans have achieved extraordinary levels of professional and economic success in the United States, consistently ranking among the highest in most surveys of immigrant education and affluence.
A stroll through America life reveals an indelible Iranian-American stamp. Visit any major American university, hospital or investment bank and you will find Iranian-American professors, doctors, and bankers making contributions to the education, health, and economic welfare of our country. Visit any major technology company and you are likely to find Iranian-American programmers, software engineers, and often CEO's playing a key role in America's information revolution.
Still, despite the Iranian-Americans' contribution to the engine of American economic growth, the Iranian-American impact on our civil society - on our politics, our media, our advocacy organizations, our social institutions - is a less impressive story. "
NIAC is one of the major organizations that's trying to fill out this gap.
چوب دو سرّ طلا just about sums it up
HovakhshatareMon Nov 30, 2009 07:12 PM PST
How this Trita and NIAC became a topic of conversation including the never ending posts and articles on this site, guest of talk shows and 'representing' ahmmmm... Iran or Iranian-Americans (as the situation demands) is telling. This is just another one of those bricks in the wall.
Take it easy Mr. Jones
by ocpersian on Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:30 PM PSTI see you are a member for only 2 days, 50 minutes. How active you have become on this site:))) You say:
"Dai does not have an organiation which say I represent Iranian American. NIAC does."
Sure he does, in case you did not know your buddy Mr. Sayed Hassan Daioleslam has in fact a lobby called PAIC //www.iranian-americans.com/
Can't figure how 'progressive' Iranian Americans are in bed with neo-cons?
He is on the board of directors (among others):
Shahla Abghari, Siavash Abghari, Rahman Asadollahi, Hassan Dai, Iraj Derakhshan, Bijan Eftekhari, Hossein Eshraghi, Kayvan Kaboli, Nastaran Samiee, Behrooz Shahabi, Zohreh Shisheh, Nasser Tahmasebi, Mehdi Zolfaghari.
Looks like Truth hearts. what's good for the goose is good for the gander!! What is PAIC doing? How do they get their funding? Who are they representing?
Take it easy, don't wet yourself!
by Mola Nasredeen on Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:16 PM PSTTake a deep breath!
Learn a few yoga moves!
Go for a walk
Take Prozac or Viagra
But take it easy
I repeat my request for the advertisment of Prozac pills on Iranian dotcom, agha Davoud "Prozac Lazem Shodeh".
Response to saboohi
by AMIR1973 on Mon Nov 30, 2009 06:10 PM PSTYou say: "It looks like IRI's Censorship is playing by ocpersian and Amir1973."
What are you talking about? Are you implying that I'm a supporter of the IRI? I've criticized them quite harshly on this website and stated that the IRI and Islamism have been a "disaster" for Iranians. Does that sound like an IRI supporter? I'm sceptical about NIAC and have suggested that their critics should propose alternatives to NIAC. But, just as I'm sceptical about NIAC, I think it is legitimate also to be sceptical about some of their critics. What's wrong with that? Is Hassan Daioleslam beyond such scepticism? If NIAC is an IRI front, then let's have it out. If Daioleslam is a Mojahed with connections to people in the US pushing for war, then let's have that out too.
گروههای لابیگری یا چوب دو سرّ طلا؟
David_JonesMon Nov 30, 2009 05:38 PM PST
گروههای لابیگری یا چوب دو سرّ طلا؟
مدتها بود که بعضی از یاران در ایمیل خود یاد آور میشدند
که چرا گروه نیاک یک هو شده گروه دفاع از حقوق بشر؟
راستش هرچی با خدامون صحبت میکردیم عقل ما به جایی قد
نمیداد مگر اینکه باز دنبال گرفتن پول از وزارت امور خارجه آمریکا باشند
حالا که این خبر تصویب ۲۰ میلیون دلاری طویله آخوندها رسید
تازه ما فهمیدیم که این گروههای لابی و دار و دسته هایشان حداعقل یکی
دو سال نوری از گروه انگشت شمار کوچک ما جلوتر هستند
تا زمانیکه میسر, از بخش دولتی آمریکا گرنت، پول تحقیق و
غیره گرفته، میگیرند و خواهند گرفت
کفگیر پول بنیاد علوی به ته دیگ خورد؟ هیچ غصه نباشه
که آخوندها ۲۰ میلیون دلار برایشان از محل امدادهای غیبی امام درست
کردند
حالا فهمیدید که چرا لابیگرهای امثال امیر احمدی این همه
مدت در ایران بودند؟ چرا نیاک یکهو مدافع حقوق بشر شد؟
خلاصه از هر ور پول بیاد اینها خودشون را جوری جلا داده
که بتوانند بگیرند! همه به اسم حقوق بشر و حمایت از ملت برون مرزی و درون
مرزی
راستی غیر از یکی دو گروه ان. جی. او. حقوق
بشر که واقعا دارند خدمت میکنند, دولت آمریکا به کسی غیر از این گروههای
لابی گر هم کمک کرده؟
چوب دو سرّ طلا که میگن همین جمعیت لابی گر رژیم
میباشد
What is NIAC?
by David_Jones on Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:27 PM PSTDai does not have an organiation which say I represent Iranian American. NIAC does. As an organization which claims to represent Iranian American interest, it is NIAC that needs to be tranparent, not Dai....NIAC gets million to represnt Iranian American interests, Dai does not. NIAC worked with Bob Ney...who got jail...Dai did not.
Hopefully you can connect the dots!
Dai is showing true face of NIAC!
by David_Jones on Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:24 PM PSTNIAC membership is less than 2000, there are 1000,000 Iranian Americans in the US. Less that .003%. Harly qualifies to reprents Iranian American interest...Trita Parsi is not even an American (thank God).
NIAC is a Lobbyist for Islamic Republic, no and and buts
by David_Jones on Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:18 PM PSTGet a grip guys...NIAC is a 501c3 (tax exempt and subject to Freedom of Information). Why does not NIAC disclose its annual operating bugets, annual audits and list of its members, and its contributors?
Whic human rights organization, advocates for democracy on its websites and ask for discontinuation of funding behind the scenes...?
Just what else do you need short of hopefully the court verdict, to admit that NIAC is and has been a lobbyist for the Islamic Republic.
Just look at their email correspondence and hopefully Dai will put out more incriminating documents linking NIAC directly to mullahs.
Why is NIAC fighting not to disclose his internal documents...as a 501c3 what is it scared of?
There is a saying in Farsi....it is Por roo, like supporters and staff are very very por roo! indeed!
Trita was hoping to silence Dai by a threat of a lawsuit...it backfired and NIAC is eating crow!
Who's who game
by saboohi on Mon Nov 30, 2009 04:14 PM PSTIt looks like IRI's Censorship is playing by ocpersian and Amir1973. I think Mr. Dai has the courage to defend himself as he did to the entire IRI's web of influence in Washington alone. Let's just stick to the facts and argument and stop who's who game.
Fred is not Daioleslam
by ocpersian on Mon Nov 30, 2009 03:55 PM PSTFred is much smarter than that. The real Sayed Hassan Daioleslam might be 'Saboohi'?. He reposts Sayed Hassan Daioleslam's email answer to BBC!!?
All I know after the great green movement inside Iran, we have seen many newcomers who claim to oppose IRI and want to ride this wave. Question is how many are real and how many are 'opposition' created by the very IRI? I am at the point that I do not trust any of these new characters. I do my own research.
NIAC’s internal documents-Series two
by saboohi on Mon Nov 30, 2009 03:05 PM PST“Although the mission of the proposed lobby should be to improve
relations between the US and Iran and open up opportunities for trade,
the initial targets should be less controversial issues such as visas
and racial profiling/discrimination. Since the lobby will be spared
from creating a grassroots network of its own, the initial focus on
non-controversial issues will only serve to establish credibility
within the community, and not massive support (which would necessitate
the complete avoidance of issues such as US-Iran relations).”
//www.iranian-americans.com/2009/11/1576.html
Who is Sayed Hassan Daioleslam?
by ocpersian on Mon Nov 30, 2009 02:33 PM PSTTransparancy should work both ways, what do we know about Hassan Dai? We do not know what his real job is, how he supports himself and where his source of funding is.
There are several allegations that Sayed Hassan Daioleslam is indeed a member of MKO. Mr. Daioleslam denies that he is a member, yet his 20 years of life in France along with the fact that two of his siblings, Hussein Daioleslam and Fatemeh Daioleslam are high-ranking leaders of the MKO raises doubts about his true connections to the MKO cult.
Who is Sayed Hassan Daioleslam?
The Iranian (Persian) and American media as well as on the web he goes by the name of Hassan Dai. His real name is actually Sayed Hassan Daioleslam. The words ‘Sayed’ and ‘Eslam’ have been selectively omitted from his name. There is not much known about him other than what is listed on his website. According to this website he was born in Iran in 1957, is a 1974 graduate of Polytechnic University of Tehran. He maintains that he was active in the student movement before and after the revolution. He says that he left Iran in 1981 and settled in France. While in France, he claims to have been active in “National Front” and the “Freedom Movement of Iran”. (Nehzat-e-Azadi).
He says he moved to the United States in 2001 where his wife is doing graduate work in Arizona. According to this website Sayed Hassan Daioleslam (aka Hassan Dai) has been collaborating with two “independent” Iranian journalists inside the country focusing on the Iranian Regime’s lobby in US since 2005.
While we know more about Sayed Hassan Daioleslam in the United States since 2005, he has very little to reveal for the over 20 years that he claims he had lived in Paris, France.
What we do know however, are two things: Freedom Movement of Iran (Nehzat-e-Azadi) which was formed by the late Mehdi Bazargan (first prime minister after the revolution) is still active in Iran and is now headed by Dr. Ebrahim Yazdi. No well known member or supporter of this group is living in France or any other place in Europe. The fact is Iranian Regime tolerates this group also known as ‘Melli Mazhabi’.
Paris, France however, is the hotbed place for another very active and radical Iranian opposition group. That group is no other than Mojahedin-e-Khalgh Organization (MKO), classified by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist group. The assassination campaign and the collaboration with the Iran’s enemy, Sadam Hussein, destroyed MKO’s base of support within Iran. There is now as much hate for MKO inside Iran as it is for the current rulers. In fact in many circles they are referred to as ‘Mullah’s with a tie’ (Mullah-e-Ba-Keravat). You want more? It looks like Mr. Sayed Hassan Daioleslam has some explaining to do other then 'choice of bad word' in an email exchange with Neocons.
Question for Fred
by AMIR1973 on Mon Nov 30, 2009 02:07 PM PSTDear Fred,
You have on a number of occasions invoked the phrase "in the interest of full disclosure" (or something similar to that). I ask "in the interest of full disclosure": Are you Hassan Daioleslam or a collaborator, associate, or in any way linked to Daioleslam? If you are, that does not make it a crime; but "full disclosure" would seem to suggest that you should let it be known if you are. Regards.
Look at Dai's response to the email presented by BBC
by saboohi on Mon Nov 30, 2009 01:28 PM PST//iranian.com/main/blog/saboohi-0
اولا که شیوه دفاع تریتا پارسی شناخته شده است. وی خودش را در کنار اوباما
و دیگران قرار میدهد و مخالفان خودش را در صف جنگ طلبان میگذارد. این روشی
است که کارآئی خودش را از دست داده است. ثانیا، من تحقیقاتم در مورد تریتا
پارسی و نایاک را در سال 2006 شروع کردم و اولین گزارشم در ژانویه 2007
منتشر شد. زمانیکه اصلا خبری از اوباما یا کلینتون نبود. ثانیا تریتا
پارسی به مدت ده سال برای یک جمهوری خواه فاسد و بدنام بنام باب نی کار
میکرد که بجرم رشوه گیری های مختلف، منجمله رشوه گرفتن از یک قاچاقچی مقیم
لندن که برای جمهوری اسلامی کار میکرد، روانه زندان شد. بنابراین، مظلوم
نمائی تریتا پارسی تنها برای فریب کودکان خوب است. اما در مورد ایمیل من
که مدتها قبل نوشته بودم و تریتا منتشر کرده باید یک توضیحی بدهم.
I'm with Patriot!
by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM PSTNIAC should step up its effort in communicating with its supporters (or those who have yet to make up their minds about the group). You guys are not doing yourselves any favor by taking a back seat.
Dear NIAC representative on Iranian.com
by Patriot on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM PSTThank you for coming and posting information and news about NIAC on Iranian.com. It is a lot more useful when we hear things directly from you. Now please also consider joining the discussions and speaking for yourself. The problem you face on Iranian.com is that a few users on this site who do not enjoy a respectful position among the user population (I am not talking about anyone who is already on this thread) are appearing as "NIAC defenders," and this is not adding much to your prestige and credibility. In my opinion the "support" of some of these well-known characters is nothing but a "kiss of death" for NIAC.
As you obviously take the time to come and post your news and information on Iranian.com, won't you consider joining the discussions, too?
NIAC should work more effectively at communicating...
by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM PSTNIAC should work more effectively at communicating with people, I give you that but by deliberately trying to discredit NIAC and painting them as an IRI lobby you people are trying to sabotage any engagement policy of Obama which will help pave way for further confrontation. THAT is what NIAC supporters like myself have a problem with. You people are not being honest about your real intentions. Fred likes airtight sanctions, while mahmoudg wouldnt mind it if US dropped a few bombs on Iran. Both of these proposed poliices are AGAINST Iranians (and Americans) interests.
Mahmoudg
by Abarmard on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM PSTBased on the logic of "Ta nabashad cheezakee mardom nagooyand cheezhah" the picture of Imam must have been on the moon!
Who are the people that are saying "cheezhaa", that also should be factored in. However, it's good to check everything before joining or accusing.
Happy Monday.
NIAC has to anwer questions....
by mahmoudg on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:47 AM PSTTa nabashad cheezakee mardom nagooyand cheezhah. An old adage but perhaps some truth to it. Let the the courts take its/there course and at the end we shall see what comes out of it. But any contact with the Islamic Republic representatives (especially at the levels NIAC has had) is suspect and any organization that claims to keep an eye on the interest(s) of Iranians inside and outside of Iran, should heed to this.
NIAC lobby has to answer
by Fred on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:42 AM PSTNIAC lobby had its Chicago guy on the same BBC program claiming that they have had no contact whatsoever with Islamist regime, he was even pushed on it and he was adamant.
There is an email obtained during the discovery which directly contradicts that assertion.
All the attacks from the usual suspects will not make the relevant unanswered questions go away. NIAC lobby might be innocent but as long as it refuses to answer and paints all those who do not buy into its claims as warmonger, rightwing, neocon,… people like me will be around to demand answer to relevant questions.
Should NIAC lobby register under FARA, or a regular lobby then they can tell people like me to take a walk till then they have to answer.
Why are you so worked up about NIAC Fred?
by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:26 AM PSTIs it anything other than the fact that they dont want airtight sanctions and you do?
NIAC is working towards Iranians interests (not IRI). you are doing the opposite. Confrontation is what IRI wants.
Fred, the resident propagandist
by Q on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:22 AM PSTFirst you cry about not enough Uncle Sam funding for regime change activities, now you're attacking BBC(!) for being biased in favor of NIAC. Another text book PR damage control by a professional PR man.
Are you ever off duty, Fred?
NIAC lobby email to Zarif
by Fred on Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AM PSTNIAC lobby should put up the entire thirty minutes of BBC program and not just the most favorable section. Also there was no opposing view on the entire program making it very much a lopsided journalistic job.
BBC could have asked NIAC’s chief lobbyist about his email to Islamist ambassador to UN. and also ask him why he has gone to court on three seperate occasions to stop publication of discovery material all unsuccessfully? What is it that NIAC lobby does not want people to know?
NIAC lobby should publish all documents of their dealings and contacts with all Islamists.
ps. NIAC lobby's including the word "investigate" in the title of the blog is very much misleading, there was no such claim made by the reporter or BBC.