National Iranian American Council

Takht E Jamshid

Shame Shame
This is part of Iran and Iran`s history.
Stop the Auction PLZ .
can we auction the statue of Liberty?
Shame Shame

Yep

A "little" Sugar Free Red Bull goes a "long" way. Energy can be "destroyed" and then "created", right? No nuclear puns intended... Oh no, what have I done! ;)

Well

It's good to see you have "enough" energy left to be "kidding" nonstop with all these "jokes". Good for you.

Zion

Wrong direction.

Yes, I was wholeheartedly admiring Jews from the beginning. Whether you choose to believe me or not I think you missed my point altogether. Well, I did what I could. Quotation usage meant tongue-in-cheek. "Control everything" =  joke, conspiracy theory, blaming others for your ills, classic stereotypes being called out, get it now? Everything in quotes was a play on people's fears and mistrust. I know better, I'm sure you do too. I hope to heck nobody's stupid enough to really, sincerely blast a group of people in a public forum with their face and name readily available! You think I would do that to me and my family? No thanks!

 It shouldn't be seen as preaching, it was more like telling people "The cause of your problems? Try looking in the mirror for once!" Hence wrong direction, wanting to leave it be, not caring anymore, etc. I have no business preaching, trust me. And I didn't want it to go to another level. If it were worth debating, sure. Punishment? Eh, not really how I saw it, even though that was the word I picked. Just seemed like a lost cause.  

Oh man, why is it "my" lobby group all of a sudden? I'm not the president, just a client haha. What are you wishing upon me here? Where's that joyous occasion I've been clamoring for so I can finally rest easy? Just kidding. You're a bright one. Not sarcasm!

Okay

I changed the "dirty" part, though it was in quotation marks too, so that I wouldn't inadvertently undermine your "appreciation" of us, and especially of the ways we "control everything".
Sorry you consider a question or a debate as a punishment when it disagrees with you or when it goes to certain "directions" by touching on related issues you yourself bring up but don't like to see questioned afterwards. As I said, it's disappointing when a preacher himself does not follow what he preaches everyone else, and with such passion for that matter.
I'm sure you'll get more joyous occasions to express your admiration for your lobby group in upcoming "discussions" that go exactly in the "right" direction. After all, you are in the absolute right place for that.

Zion

Or lack of energy.

Mr. Zion, I just stopped caring altogether when the discussion went an entirely different direction (and I'll do the honorable thing and take my share of the blame for it, why the heck not?). Sorry, online hang contests lost their luster on me aeons ago. Nobody wins when we come back for another dose of punishment once an hour. You believe what you want, I'll do the same, we'll both claim we're right and superior (although I don't remember EVER in my life calling Jews "dirty", I recall giving them utmost admiration on this site and in real life. My excessive use of quotes alluded to sarcasm the entire time. Re-read it. Or don't, no loss.) and thank our buddies for their sideline support, life goes on. Sorry to disappoint as you said, but hey, these things happen sometimes. I do appreciate you having not resorted to name-calling and insults though, very noble of you. So, sidestepping all this great fun, seen any good movies lately?

against all odds of ever being taken fairly,

i continue...lol.

i just hate hypocrisy.  in all shapes and forms.  it's a personal itch of mine and i just can't keep quiet about it.  i hate it when i see otherwise intelligent people wear blinders about something.  god knows i don't particularly like people criticizing americans, catholics, irish, or southerners but it comes with the territory.  NOBODY is perfect.  and when someone so blindly ignores the obvious, i consider THAT dangerous. 

and then to blame the person who speaks out?  it's just not right.  i'm not going to settle for the bullshit excuses either... if you're not iranian, blah blah blah.  so what?  it makes me incapable of forming an intelligent conclusion on my own?  there is more propogandist bullshit spoken here than i've ever been exposed to via the media.  from EVERY SINGLE SIDE there is. 

anyhoo.  gotta take another load to long beach.  found more books.  husband not happy.  threatening a bonfire.  :-0

Energy [updated]

Hojjatie, If you lack energy, if you don't have energy to discuss what you claim, then why bring it up? You expect the rest of us all to hail you and what you claim? It's just a bit surprising, and disappointing too, given all your passion in capital letters about the issues you yourself brought up. Can't you see? Based on your view of things (with the appropriate quotation marks), here is another of those Jews, one of those who "control everything" by "keeping each other's backs" "threatening" the "sanctity" of your "culture" by asking an apparently "taboo" question, and after all that preaching about speaking up you just shy away because you "lack the energy"? So disappointing... . :-)

BTW, I think by "circular arguments" is usually meant arguments that rely on an equivalent claim for the proof of another. Not a back and forth quarrel as you seem to have meant, but hey, what do I know? I just thought I had given some evidence to justify a reasonable question.
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Dear AF and Kaveh, thanks for speaking some sense. As you can see, however, any tinge of dissent is an unacceptable vice among "certain people" ('s culture?)

Zion

The definition of "negative" on IC

Having and expressing a different point of view.

Refusing to subscribe to conspiracy theories.

When you say that Iran is not the be-all and end-all to the continuation of life on Earth as we know it, and that we are not God's gift to humanity any more so than anyone else.

Negative is when you don't blame Jews for every single goddamn thing in the world that you don't like.

When you think Israelis are people too.

When you think Baha'i's are people too.

When you don't justify or try to justify the 30 years of crimes committed by the IRI.

Negative is when you speak for yourself, or when you dare to be your own person, refusing to be a sheep.

Good idea!

I agree about the circular arguments, not much into BMVe either 

IRANdokht

different equals negative?

expressing different opinions is not the same things as being "bombarded with negative comments".   can't anyone else express their opinion as well?  or are there rules about that too?  if someone disagrees with your point of view, theirs is influenced by propaganda???  that dog won't hunt!

i'm sure NIAC does wonderful things for iran and the iranian people.  but surely you understand that not everyone supports them.  and again, if they don't, it's a fact that they are anti-iranian?  based on what facts did you reach this conclusion?

"not without my daughter" is a sensitive issue.  i certainly understand that.  and i would certainly understand and support any groups determination to suppress negative images.

but please... are you suggesting that the movie is completely fictional?  are you suggesting that the movie is a complete lie???  or are you suggesting that iran or muslims DON'T practice honor killings?  or do you just not want to see a movie about it?

because if you do recognize that both stories have strong factual basis, you're out of line suggesting that zion is promoting anything. she responded to a rather bizarre statement about conspiracy theories.

and to tell you the truth... anyone who reads these comments knows exactly what "them" and "those people" means.

i'm all for being supportive of my country AND iran but it's going too far when you live in such a state of denial that when someone points out the truth, they are body-slammed into a brick wall.

LOOOL

didn't know there were any left. i thought they all got sold off in tokyo in the 70s and 80s. (I mean the important pices not the clap trap trash bric a brac souvenir crap)

Ugh!

I REALLY don't have the energy for a circular argument consisting of "NIAC are IRI supporters!/No they aren't!", "Jews rule the world!/No they don't!", "'Not Without My Daughter' is lies!/No it isn't!" and the ensuing the name calling that seems to always follow. Mr. Tsion/Zion, you're entitled to your beliefs, I do not agree with them but at the end of the day the world didn't catch on fire, so that's all I've got.

Irandokht, drinks are on me. Sorry, I don't own a BMVay though LOL! 

Now about those priceless artifacts...

LOL

As it happens, most Iranians are muslims, and as I mentioned higher education seems not to be a real impediment against these sorts of practices. In any case, I didn't imply anything, I said clearly that I do not know about this either way, and I can't see how you or anyone else could know with this certainty what happens among a population of, what, 60 million?

My question was about a different film altogether. Please don't try to spin my words. Thank you.

Zion

PS. Oh and who exactly are "they" in your last paragraph? You mean ehem... "The Jews"?

lack of understanding? or propaganda

Dear Mr Hojjatie 

as you see, we keep getting bombarded with negative comments and sentiments just for expressing our opinions about the Iranian values positively. 

we're talking about honor killing in regards to Iranians, not muslims in general, and we have someone parade here with a bunch of nonsense as some sort of proof!  when people do not know about our culture and are fed propaganda, they end up believing it and even arguing about it which I would find quite amusing if it wasn't so dangerous.

I am glad that we have active Iranians in the scene to help reduce the damage, but as you also said, they are united and have each other's back while we tend to rip each other apart at the first chance we get.

It's really a shame. 

Again I just wanted to thank you sir.

IRANdokht

Hojjatie

you say
'yet another "Not Without My Daughter" mess of LIES about our culture would tarnish it '

Now I don't know about honor killings, I only know it is evidently quite independent of being educated... just recently an educated muslim who happened to be bemoaning of bad reputation of Islam and even had a radio station to introduce peaceful Islam to the "ignorant Americans" ended up beheading his wife on a similar family dispute, anyways I'm digressing. I have seen "Not without my daughter" and I didn't see any particular demonization of "your culture" at all. half of the protagonists of the film were Iranian, even parents of "martyrs" who were depicted as decent people willing to help. It was a depiction of certain "types" of families in Iran, like elsewhere, including people who behave differently in the West as what they really believe, and let me tell you, especially after visiting this site and witnessing first hand people with exactly that attitude, i'd say in that regard the film was right on target. So what is your problem with it? I suggest if you are trying to make a point in favor of your IRI lobby group, at least pick a meaningful example.

'Hey, how else would you explain how so few of them in the world "control eveything"?'

I don't exactly know what the quotation marks are supposed to smooth out, but why is it that all NIAC supporters I've seen here end up expressing conspiracy theories against Jews, one way or the other, with or without quotation marks? That is very interesting.

Zion

Ms. Irandokht.

You're welcome!

Mr Michael Mahyar Hojjatie

I just wanted to say Well Said:

it would be appropriate to be very thankful for NIAC's acheivements while others keep silent or pretend it's not their problem in the first place. 

Thank you!

IRANdokht

Mr./Ms. Hater

Please don't "tell me what it is". I will tell you what it is. 

You don't even have a shred of a clue as to where I come from, or what I'm about.

I have never claimed that this country is perfect. As a matter of fact, I have gone on the record several times and have said that this country is in fact deeply flawed. One of the flaws is the fact that in this country, there are those, like you, who believe that you are entitled simply by virtue of your mere presence. That type of thinking does not add or contribute anything positive to society.

Those who "use" a society do not deserve anything besides contempt. Your ridiculous assumption that I would be happy in a place like China, for example, demonstrates that you truly fail to comprehend facts. I haven't given the thought to going there even for a visit. I do not have any desire to visit a country, that depsite its rich culture and history, employs systemic abuses of its citizens, be it economically, politically, or socially, when newborn babies have been murdered simply for being female.

ObamaVoter

Let's address your assertions one by one, shall we?

1. While I have indeed been a member of the Republican Party since October 1984, when have I ever declared myself to be a "Zionist"? Kindly show me where I have done so even once.

2. Neither George Bush or any other president can legitimately be held singularly responsible for either economic growth or economic regression. You fail to recognize that the United States operates under a capitalist, free market economy that is inherently cyclical. This is clearly evidenced by the extremes in both the growth of the past few years and the retraction being experienced at present. While George Bush was indeed the president, it is the 535 members of both the Senate as well as the House of Representatives that must be held accountable as the legislative branch of the government. In other words, if one person controlled it, President Obama would havee stopped and reversed it with a stroke of a pen. I don't know if you are aware, but despite the current president's noble words and efforts, the stock market dropped today to levels last seen in 1997, back when Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from a fat chick.

Secondly, rather than "morals" perhaps the proper terminology is public perception. But if you wsh to use the original terminology, I, for one, am not concerned in the least with how I may be perceived "morally" by those who would like nothing more than to see me harmed, or by those who harbor a measure of sympathy for those who wish to see me harmed.

I must also ask, who is "us"? And in what manner do you constitute "us"? I don't speak for your interests or anyone else's. Kindly refrain from attempting to speak for mine, no matter what you may think they are. You honestly don't know.

3. Again the word "zionist" is being used with zero effect. If you were to repace the word Zionist with IRI, you would be making a valid statement, Otherwise,.....

4. It is the sole responsibility of Iran and the Iranian people, not the responsibility of any outside person group, to promote the rights of the Iranian people. 

Lastly, if you wish to engage in futile insults regarding intelligence, go find a schoolyard. 

NIAC bashers...

Keep in mind, there is a film coming out called "Crossing Over" which at first featured a nasty scene about an Iranian family in America who perform an "honor killing" on a family member that NIAC pressured the filmmakers into removing. Had they not made the effort, yet another "Not Without My Daughter" mess of LIES about our culture would tarnish it and we'd have to defend ourselves for nothing all over again. And you know Americans would believe every second of that crap because they're already in the mindframe to do so and Hollywood is The Pied Piper to their masses.

Regardless of this-and-that ridiculous conspiracy you hear they are active in, it would be appropriate to be very thankful for NIAC's acheivements while others keep silent or pretend it's not their problem in the first place.

cyrus and darius???

the two most glorious leaders in Iran?  LOL

what else can you do but laugh!

Anonymous fish

manoucher avaznia just called cyrus and darius blood thirsty dogs in his poem that is featured...I made a responce in another blog..lets see if this Iran lover crowd will respond...you be the judge..

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//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

not everything is about ISRAEL!!!

this is not about IRI, or about hamas.

FOR GOD SAKES THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES IN THE WORLD!

this is about a WRONG decision by the US courts that Obama can reverse very easily.

xerxes

i have not defended anything.  i am pro-israeli.  i am pro-jewish.  i don't know why that is so hard to understand.  i am not pro-zionism.  i do not support or condone any act of unnecessary violence.  i do not condone violence by any extreme faction, be it zionism, nazism, IRI or anything done by GW... :-)  there is a huge difference between zionism and the jewish people.  i understand that even if you don't.  i am pro-iranian.  i am NOT pro-IRI.  i understand that there is a difference between the iranian people and their government.  do you understand where i'm coming from now?  i understand that there is a huge difference between hamas and the palestinean people.  i just don't know why you or anyone else has to "generalize" based on basic facts.  i sympathize with the palestineans.  i do not sympathize with hamas or hezbollah.  i think hamas has done the palestineans far more harm than the israelis.  i think the IRI has done far more damage to the iranian people than israel or the US could EVER do.  i wish you could understand that.  i agree with you on many issues but i don't think you give me ANY benefit of the doubt for understanding the difference between the many different factions between government and people.

israel provides the US with the only ally in the middle east.  that is a simple fact whether you like it or not.  the US is going to maintain a close ally in Israel no matter what it takes.  do i like millions of dollars going to their economy?  hell no.  but it does and WILL continue to be a fact of life until the region is stable.

sean.  you are an ass.  i pay you zero attention.  your "ann" comment has rendered you less than zero percentage of a gentleman or an intelligent person.  and anyone who agrees with your "cute" comment falls into the same catagory.

Thank you for posting this

I will pass this link on to my University. We are all with you NIAC.

NIAC gets it...

They started very small and now look at them. They have turned into a force for peace and understanding between United States and Iranian people. That's why when they speak I listen.

Kaveh

I tell you what it is. Those who have read and are aware about the Human Rights are normally against the "crimes" of the "western" governments committed against those weaker nations. It's not hard to find history books full of stories as such. Those who live in the European Countries are benefiting a great life style, but for those who are conscious, they use the "internal" freedom, as much as you they might have, sometimes not too much, to express themselves and work to change those horrible policies. That's not bitching, that's being a responsible human, who unlike you goes somewhere and becomes a sheep, forgetting where he came from. You don't need to blame all things on the "Western", and it's not proper to do so, but as the credit should be given where credit is due, the crime and horrible actions also should not be forgotten.
Jews remind the world through media, movies, music once they feel the world if forgetting what happened to them during WWII. Are they anti West? They also all live in the West. How come double standard?
If Israel is criticized, not even "punished" by the West, what kind of reactions do you get? I am giving you a point of view to show how pathetic you sound when you talk so arrogantly.
Those who live in a free society and "use" it, deserve to be in a free society. People like you would be happy anywhere, as long as they can do their daily routines. Let's face it, someone who speaks their mind will have a tough time in China, you on the other hand would be totally fine. Therefore, people LIKE you don't deserve freedom, since you don't even know what freedom is. You got it all backwards.

Ann Fish

I read all the Q's comments and find him extremely well informed and well read, while you are the exact opposite. I have learned a lot from him. I suggest you don't enter yourself in the discussion since your knowledge is similar to Joe the Plumber when it's about Iran and the Middle East, if not less. So, I would ask you politely to enter discussions that are in your level of thought process.

Sincerely,

Sean

This is another work of Zions

Zions started this as their criminal minds works nothing constructive .

anonymous fish have a question for you. I want to know where you coming from defending the crimes of Israel. Ask you an honest question and answer me honestly. What does Israel DO for the USA? In your openion that I have seen you call "them" US Ally, what is it that US gains from them?

There is not enough to talk about ZIonists. As if you tell people, I am sick of hearing Nazis, living during the 40's. hey, the Jews are still talking about 60 years ago and getting money and land for it. Why does anyone expects to stop talking about Zions, that are very relative to many problems in the world, not including killing and torture.

Zionism is Terrorism, are you a Zionist?