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Dear Q if I were you ,I would not jump too fast to agree with ..

Nur, he is out of touch with reality, he thinks The Mrs , souri and I are employed by this Bahai secret agency. He also has criticised the Mrs avatar!! I mean Angelina Joli for being too fat??he thinks the Mrs is angelina Joli( no offense The Mrs I am sure your as beautiful). 

please Q if you want to bring to the open our ties with British just write a separate blog by yourself, because " birds of the same flock , fly together" and you could be  passed in the same category as Nur!!!!

my two cents

I do believe that historical roots of the Bahai faith lies in the colonial connections of their leaders first to the Russian Empire, and after the 1917 revolution, it shifted to British, and later to Zionism. I do believe that the central theme of Shia Islam of "return of Mehdi when times are tough" has been used by Bahai leaders to gather followers who indeed had tough political and economic condition in Iran and beyond, but the foreign powers supporting the bahai leaders have used the "new" faith to weaken the potency of political Islam as much as possible.

But, note that what is said above is only a belief of the historical roots, and has nothing to do with the many people of Bahai faith who are peacefully practicing a faith that they believe in, they love, and shouldn't even have to defend whatever the root of their faith may or may not be. To begin with, many of the original followers of the faith believed in it precisely because they wanted a change for the better from the bad hand they were dealt with, and there was the power of "return of Mehdi, or the savior."

Secondly, since the anti-colonial struggle of Iranians have always included the Iranian Muslim clergy, the bahai followers have always been the subject of suspicion, mistreatment, and until Shah's time they have been unfaily persecuted precisely because of those roots that the followers had nothing to do with.

Now, I know that most Bahais here would argue that the Bahais were treated as badly under Shah as any other times. I don't believe so, and I am one of those who believe in the "conspiracy" that precisely because Shah has been fighting the "Ertejag siah," weakening Islam was one of his central theme, and has been in the pocket of the British and the Americans, he was forced to give the Bahais much more prominent positions as compared to their population percentage, even when he himself didn't want to. Thus, I do believe that Bahais did flourish during Shah. And that's precisely one reason that they are being victimized so brutally under IRI.

I do believe that the only religion minority in Iran that is treated in a barbaric way are Bahais, becasue the Islamic Republic abuses the historical roots of the religion/cult, and because of the backlash of their preferential treatment during Shah, and because of the ties to the western powers now as a means of propaganda against IRI.

As such, people like myself tend to be bothered with repeated articles in the Iranian.com where the Bahis use it to propagate writings of Abdul Baha, or use the site to proselytize. But, I love to see the revealing of the anti-Bahai barbaric acts done to followers of Bahai faith inside Iran. I love to see the Bahais advertise for their equal right in Iran, to demand being able to go freely back and forth, exercise their faith without being treated like a second class citizen who doesn't enjoy the equal political opportunity, which clearly they don't and IRI shamelessly doesn not even try to hide it.

Adib - I think you misunderstood me

What I wrote has nothing to do with NUR or Bahais. It has to do with religion as a whole. I've actually attended the events you suggested. They're interesting, but not for me. I'm not judging Bahais, but I think that it's basically just a next step kind of thing for people who subscribe to religion - the next step if you will. NUR - whomever he is, does sound paranoid. I might sound paranoid too, since my comment about the "snake pit" - but what I meant was that ever since the iranian.com 2.0 came about, more discussion has taken place (good thing), but so has a lot of strange talk about censorship on this site. The disagreements (if you can call them that) led to a lot of nasty comments loaded with accusations. It still happens today with Fred, for example. He gets away with it by using pronouns - THEY or THEM leftists/islamists/anti-semites- rather than naming us outright. Did Fred have the guts to do this before iran 2.0? Don't think so.

I love this site. It's a lot of things and it is special. I don't know anything about Asia Society and all this other stuff - NUR's talk about Asia Society strikes me as paranoia and deliberate way to malign the site for another problem he has - Bahais. NUR stop wasting your time over this. Please try to get a grip. I hope you can survive whatever is disabling you like this. I say this as someone who like j. javid, doesn't subscribe to god or religion. Good luck to you. 

And Adib - thanks for the suggestion. I still think Bahai is a cult - like the rest of them- rituals, gatherings, and libraries of texts under the name of religion - same sheet different century. Thanks though. 

Nima and Q

I never made that remark. Where did you find it?

Q, you have to be kidding me. I skimmed through your essay and went into such a severe laughing fit that I nearly passed out. Like your usual polemicist, you haven't a single source for the Baha'is being linked to the British. It's all anecdotal, if even.

My book - Debunking the Myths: Conspiracy Theories on the Genesis and Mission of the Baha'i Faith - refutes all of these myths with both Baha'i *and* non-Baha'i sources. It's only 89 pages, but my bibliography numbers at over 55 books and websites, many of which have non-Baha'i (primarily secularist) authors, although I also use personal accounts like those of Shaykh Muhammad-Taqi Falsafi and Ayatollah Montazeri. Notwithstanding the British nonsense, I also go into Russia, the Pahlavi regime, Zionism, the "enemy of Islam" label, SAVAK, and even Freemasonry. These lies *cannot* exist any longer in this day and age, not with the ubiquity of information freely available on the Internet.

The book is only $9.95. I promise it won't be a waste for you:

//www.lulu.com/content/paperback_book/debunking_the_myths/6430166 

Rosie, Nima Hazini is NUR.

Rosie, Nima Hazini is NUR. Apparently he is well known in the Bahai community as an ex-Bahai-anti-Bahai!

No one identified any contemporary living Bahai. I think the last known Bahai was Kasravi.

Perhaps Marge is referring to you when she says this is not fun anymore. Had you not made this so seriously about mental help, it'd have been more enlightning and fun!

See Q also has some history with this. Soon he'll be accused of being the same person as NUR, Sophie, Reza41, Covenant, Pawn and others. This is the level of discussion.

One more thing about Haifan Bahais, many years ago Iranians who were looking for asylum cases to change their immigration status, would try to say they are either MKO or Bahais. In both cases their problem was trying to get a central body certify their MKOness or Bahainess.

At the time I remember people talking about Bahais have to be certified from Australia and I didn't understand what that meant until recently when NUR introduced the term Haifan Bahai and UHJ! So now I know, kind of. I still don't know how UHJ certifies a rag tag average Joe as Bahai. I actually don't want to know and rather let them be.

Dear Mr. Faryarm

I think, I now have an answer to my question posted on one of your blogs earlier! :)
-F

Dear NUR, I believe you are correct

I tried to shed light on this sinister Bahai conspiracy years ago and was punished for it accordingly. There is a strong link between Bahai activities and the "British did it" excuse that is the perfect cover and mental excuse for most Iranians. I haven't shared much of the details but perhaps it is time. Email me if you want to discuss it. I can't trust much anymore in public.
//iranian.com/Opinion/2004/August/QB/inde...

Regards.
Qumars

funny

Yes religion is funny. It is always some body hears something behind the bush and thinks he is the prophet.

P.S. Please Iranian.com don't sensor me!!!

To Pawn about Subh-i-Azal

Dear Pawn,

Thanks for the heads up!

Actually, Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-Azal (d. 1912) was the successor of the Bab, not his elder son. 

Go to, www.bayanic.com and click on Who's Who and then click tab Subh-i-Azal.

413

ASIA SOCIETY not an advertising agency

If you are ignorant of the way that foundation funding systems work, I am not. I have made it one of my businesses to follow the flow of money trails by liberal and conservative foundations in North America all the way to the implementation of the agendas those grants and donations were initially designed for.

The Asia Society is not an advertising agency. It is neither selling a product or offering a professional service. It does not advertise on a site unless it has some kind of a pre-existing funding relationship with the site in question (or persons linked to the site). Educate yourself a little, or at least don't play moosh mordegi!  Also, I find it quite telling that Rosie Roshan and the others misdirecting here on this point appear to have gotten awfully nervous about something. Obviously I have hit a nerve or three. Now that's something to look at...

To the idiot posting under the unverified alias, since I do not believe in shrinks and hold the industry they belong to in utter contempt, as these people are mostly crooks who have no idea of what they talk about, I obviously do not have a psychologist. Nor have I now or have I at any time taken prescriptive medication for mental health purposes. 

Finally, to the Baha'is here who keep making the accusation that I am Sophia and Reza and anyone else who disagrees with them and offers plausible resistance to their BS, why don't you have the site administrator here actually post the IP addresses of myself, Sophia and Reza for you all to see that we inhabit different bodies and are in different locations - although you are right, we are of one mind and one in spirit regarding the Baha'i Hezbollah contingency of Iranian.com!

413

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Adib get new glasses. Wikipedia is bad for eyesight!

Adib said: 

" How much has NUR shared about the beliefs and mission of this group?"

Two blogs here,

//iranian.com/main/blog/nur/bayani-community-iran

&

 //iranian.com/main/blog/nur/sadiqa-dawlatabadi-irans-first-modern-feminist

and constantly posting the link, www.bayanic.com . What else do you want? To drill meaningless quotes at people the way you Bahai Tablighatis do everywhere?

413

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Hi Marge

Thanks for the heads up!

You raise a good point about people moving to Bahai from Islam or Christianity. But I believe most of that happens only in North America, and there's a revolving door. People come in and then walk right out of there! The Haifan Baha'i numbers worldwide are actually dwindling big time, which is probably why the Baha'is have become even more aggressive in recent years and like the Hezbollahis of the early years of the Revolution are openly attacking both their schismatic groups as well as critics with a ferocity - like you see here.

My position is that the Real Truth requires no converts or efforts to prosletyze on Its behalf. The Pure Spirit is and you can get to It from anywhere- although I believe the esoteric and occult facet of the Abrahamic Tradition and those of India offer amazing templates to that end.  We can recommend or offer insights, but the effort to seek converts for the sake of numbers in my opinion is a form of blasphemy against the Spirit!

In any case, JJ's mistake was to give free reign to the Bahais here and to beat his chest too hard for these people in order to keep his site going. They have turned this place into a virtual Baha'i taziya (Shi'ite passion play) and are dominating most of the cultural and religious discussion - as if they are the only minority group in Iran! I understand that a man has to make a living, but there are honest ways of doing it without completely selling out as JJ did a long time ago.

May I suggest a new site be launched much like the original Iranian.Com, but better, and one that keeps these Bahai snakes out of it.  BTW I am a snake handler and am also fascinated by these animals in real life - plus one of the many forms the Spirit takes in India and in the Left-Hand Path (that I am partial to) is in the form of the Serpent Mother! Think about it...

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To Marge

Maybe you should check out a Baha'i gathering, or better yet see how pilgrims at Haifa, Israel, interact with each other. Nothing but love, harmony, and fellowship. That might sound airy-fairy to you, but it sure is comforting to think about how the whole world could potentially be filled with the same spirit as the people who visit Haifa. ;)

Thank you Souri

I understand what you are saying. Thank you! But what I mean is just that things aren't what they seem. I guess I'm not as "connected" to people here as others, but I've visited this site from time to time to see sudden disputes that seem to come out of nowhere, rooted in stuff that is going on behind the scenes. Who the hell is steering this ship anyway? I'm not saying this is Bear Stearns - I'm just saying it isn't the same. I'm just nostalgic. Oh well. Fuddy duddy old lady = me. The terrorists have won again. It's all IRI and Ahmadinejad and now, UK and Rockefeller and these nutty Bahais. Please post more jokes!

JJ - Read This

My friend, Stop Being PETTY!!! As you can see, much of the crap that you see generated here in the comment section, was generated either by your somewhat IMMATURE and PETTY behavior In The PAST, or by IMMATURE and PETTY behavior NOW.

I hope you get it. Please GROW UP.

By the way about those Bahais

......they are a cult too. You are doing quite well - Congrats. All religions are. But I have to give it to the Jews first and foremost - thank you for not being obsessed with converting people. Anyway it seems these days a lot of people move on to bahai from other religions. It's like the next best drug after Mo& Jesus and the rest of it I guess. Ekh. 

Dear Marge

I don't share your view on this. Look at the main page of the site, there are lots of good articles written by very good and knowledgeable people and also many nice photos and the News section ,,,,,,,,,etol

What is happening right now, happened also some other times (especially during the Ghaza-Israel problem or the US election ...etc) it happens mostly on the blog section (I mean mostly) and this is normal. Sad, but natural. Because many people come here to talk about their ideas and opinions and many people disagree with each other, like in all other places in the world (as you mentioned yourself)

The best thing to do is, when you are tired and disgusted by those fight, just look at other articles and some other blogs if you like. I, go for the jokes and poetry. I'm sure you will find something good for your taste to distract yourself for the time of the hurricane!!

Love your input in this site, we need your presence here :o)

This site.....

Has turned just as awful as the rest of the world. Scandal and money questions all around. I used to love coming here and it seemed so simple/pure. How naive I am! Since 2007, and the rise of the Ahmadinejad scaremongering, this site has changed greatly. It's terrifying that the little oasis as turned into a snake pit :( 

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS: Baha'i Hate-Mongering & Libel

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais  

 Sourcewatch article, Baha'i Faith

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Pawn, I haven't the foggiest idea who you're talking about,

I haven't the slightest notion who Nima Kazini is, and I'm not beating a dead horse because I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT HORSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. So how can I beat it?

So that's up to where I read. The part where you told me about beating this horse and this person who I never even heard of.

Meaning I didn't finish reading your first paragraph.

And if you want me to continue reading the rest of that post (and I really don't know why you would but if you do..) you'd better give me a damn good reason to and it better damn well explain who this person is you're talking about and why the h. you expect me to know who it is and what horse I'm beating when all I see are goldfish. And it better be clear. And it better be succinct And it better be convincing.

Otherwise, don't even bother saying anything.

I don't know if this is possibly conceivable to you, but I'm not micromanaging this thread. Or this issue. It's not a central part of my life.  See?

A more complete profile now emerging !

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/early-heartfelt-message-about-nima-wahid-azal-nur-old-friend

What Juan Cole says about the Bahai Technique: CAUTION NON-BAHAI

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:

"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to hear the sound of their own voices ...Obviously, the world is so constructed that they cannot in fact only hear their own voices. They are forced to hear other voices that differ from theirs. This most disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'is or when the voices speak of the Baha'i faith. The way they sometimes deal with the enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to a heresy inquiry and threaten them with being shunned if they do not fall silent. With non-Baha'is or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the faith by backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note that since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy, of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was retracted, twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose with the facts,' and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused of all these falsehoods by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have been backbitten by them. This shows that all the talk about the danger a sharp tongue can do, all the talk about the need for harmony, for returning poison with honey, for a sin-covering eye, is just *talk* among right wing Baha'is. No one fights dirtier than they when they discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot refute."
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm
See, www.juancole.com

Note Bahai Tactics & Technique

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

 "Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS 

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"a friend of JJ"

JJ causes much of the trouble for himself. Just look at all the people criticizing him for the way he publishes articles and blogs both here for this web site, or when he was the Editor for the University Newspaper back in New Mexico. As they say in U.S.: Where there is smoke, there is fire.

(No subject)

Oh boy oh boy!

Rosie why are you beating a dead horse? I told you our one and only Nima Hazini (artist formerly known as Prince ;) is NOT right in this blog and his response to JJ, ad or advising. Which part of that was not clear? Was it the part about me not mentioning about the mental illness part? That was and is one of the main issues!

First of all, how many self confessed Bahais do we know? I don't know of any and I admit my ignorance. If anyone knows a contemporary Bahai in this day and age, please tell me and I'll thank you for it.

We know this guy Nima Hazini with his real name and up to task. These other Haifan Bahais ;o) are using anonymous names such as Faryar, Alborz, Adib and so on. I am not suggesting they give their real names. No siry, not at all. I'm just saying under a pseudo name, all of this equates to one big nothing!

Now Nima Azini may be a bad man, a bad bad bad man. I don't know. Who is a famous bad man these days? It can't be Ahmadinejad or Netanyahu. We need someone real bad, like the guy who is responsible for Darfur genocide, what is his name?

Now is Nima Azini preaching genocide against Haifan Bahais? WTF is he talking about then? This is just talk in a website with a gold fish as the logo! So take it easy will 'ya?! Get off that horse and lets walk the ground.

If there should be advocacy for seeking mental health it is should be for an epidemic here, not just for NUR. All of these Haifan Bahai scholars need therapy to stay away from Nima Azini or at least stop the nonesense about Bahaullah and his grandson tweetering the internet!

You didn't answer the mendel question. I just want to know what it is.

Here is a link to his comment and dialogue with Zion and mendel reference, by the way her advice was also mental health.

//iranian.com/main/blog/covenant/introduc...

Oh, by the way, Nur, here's one for you...

//www.dailylobo.com/

Look, see?  They're getting on just fine without the w..

Sophia

I never said that *all* of the groups do not exist, but I already gave my opinion as to why they do not constitute "Baha'i sects."

I don't care how these people practice their faith, but when they go around sugarcoating their agenda to us Baha'is while trying to make the "headless House" look like the greatest enemy of the world and the ultimate usurper of authority as a means to galvanize people to subvert their authority, then they are crossing boundaries as far as I'm concerned. On the one hand, our means of proselytization does *not* consist of going around telling people that Muhammad and Jesus were plotters and usurpers. It involves no defamation of these people whatsoever. It is an undeniable fact, however, that the chief method by which these sects promote their own agenda is by vilifying the House and attempting to illegitimize it through impotent blog entries and essays.

Again, they can practice their faith for all I care, but when they go around Facebook recruiting Baha'i youth to their own groups with the intention of bashing the real Baha'i Faith and "explaining" why "they are right and we're wrong," they're being harmful and utterly disingenuous.

>Now, the Baha'is make a big issue of their own persecution.

I cannot believe you're actually going to use this argument. Their non-existent persecution cannot compare to what the Baha'is in Iran go through. Do you *honestly* think that you can compare the razing of cemeteries to the ground; the firebombing of homes; the denial of higher education; the inability to hold a business license; arbitrary arrests, raids on homes, and subsequent confiscation of personal belongings; and 200 executions in the past 30 years, two of which include being *burned alive*, can compare to our disapproval of their manipulative recruiting methods and other unwanted interference on their part, such as preventing them from pitching tents at Baha'i functions and handing out "Orthodox Baha'i pamphlets" to all the participants of the function? One of them threatened to do this while having a picture of Baha'u'llah there available for all the Baha'is to see. He, as someone claiming to be a real Baha'i, would showcase the picture of our beloved and paradeit around the place to make a point. Do you honestly think that our disapproval of these actions can compare to what the IRI has done to Baha'is in the past 30+ years? Or their predecessors for the past century?

I thought not. 

But back to the discussion at hand. I can indeed back my statements up about Fred Glaysher. See here:

//www.fglaysher.com/reformbahai/Reform_Bahai_Press.html 

It is quite clear that Fred Glaysher started this movement and created reformbahai.org (just note the "fglaysher.com" in the URL I just gave you)

Now, entering reformbahai.org on www.domaintools.com gives us this information:

Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4806242599

Now, using the Domaintools service, look up www.freebahais.com. You will notice this:

15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Matches the earlier information perfectly. :)

Regards,
Adib 

your talkin to nur=sophia

Sophia is the same Theosophia waweed has quibbled about. If you are talking to Sophia your talkin to waheed nima , Amin inizah, steve, hazini, ghamgini...
When he says they are diffenrent physical realities, he is saying in his head they are different people.
you are talking to a lunatic who is taking everybody for a ride. nothing he has said makes any sense.
and except hate nothing comes out of his gmnostic hateful spams.
I hate to say this and invoke my profession but Zyprexa (anti-schizo, anti psychotics) holds a lot of promises for waweed. But you gotta stay away from drugs even in the form of Tea.

Okay Pawn, I'll answer this one but after this I'm

not talking about Nur in public anymore. If he wants to contact me privately he can. If you want to you'll have to be registered.

Look, I am dealing here with a man who refuses to understand the meaning of the word AD-VER-TIS-ER because he WANTS so badly for i.c. to be something...malevolent...something...sinister...so.that he fails to see SIMPLE BASIC things right in front of his nosem so that he can create for himself a hostile universe. And this is called paranoia. SEVERE paranoia.

Again, will you get a grip? I am dealing here with a man who swears by some entity called "sourcewatch" that claimis to be an authority on all sources on the Internet. So the question is, who watches sourcewatch while sorcewatch is watching the entire world to protect us from the Lie and give us the Truth? And this sourcewatch of his, this..Ten Commandments, this..Sword in the Stone, this...Divine Revelation...thinks iranian.com is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. Honey bunny, I KNOW i.c.  i know jj. jj is exactly what he says he is and iranian.com is exactly what he says it is, and he doesn't say either of them are anything that special.

And guess what? They're not..

And that's what makes them special.

THIS IS INSANE.

So I'm not going to have abstruse discussions with you about the political history of the Bahai as it relates to Ahmadinejad's Holocaust theories on this and such link from so and so's post on thingamjig's blog dated such and such day. NO, I"M NOT.. Theonly thing there is for me here on this thread is a sick man who needs help. And I can't help him here. But hopefully somebody can. If he goes and asks for help.

Now YOU seem to have enormous time and energy and sympathy for him. Maybe YOU can help him. But I'm warning you, if you don't start off by admitting that he has an illness, you'll do far much more harm than good.

and yes, quite right. I do find merit in many things he says. (I particularly liked the opportunist bit, btw) But that doesn't change the fact that he's seriously ill.

Now if you want to engage me in other abstruse topics, you'll have to write a blog and contact me and ask me to participate on it and I will. But I think it would be better if you are really concerned to go register yourself and contact him and establish a direct private relationship with him rather than wasting your time on the history of piffenpiff with me...

Take care. Seriously. I know you mean well. I really do.

Rosie

let me get this straight

Adib, you should carefully consider your comments here. Are you actually saying that because a group has less then 300 members, it doesn't exist or has no right to recognition? You are on seriously shaky ground with this- these people have as much right to call themselves Baha'is as anyone else, if that's what they believe. Now, the Baha'is make a big issue of their own persecution. If you are do not allow these people to practice what they believe FREELY, you would be guilty of precisely the same thing. Do you have atcual proof that all these groups were falsely created by Fred Glaysher, and don't actually exists, or is that just what you've been told.