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Parham
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05-Aug-2011
 

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Parham

Mash Churchill

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Your Majid Tafreshi doesn't provide ANYTHING as proof, and doesn't even claim much!
Like I said, provide quote(s).
I'm getting tired of this, you know?


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Mossadegh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Was a patriotic Iranian I do not question it. The problem I have is with those who canonize him as a Saint. He was a man and a good one. But he made mistakes and was a bit of an autocrat. 

None of these takes away from his love of Iran. I think both Mossadegh and Shah loved Iran. Both made mistakes and paid for them specially when they went against Britain. I want to be accurate in our views. Mossadegh as good man but not a Saint.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

anglophile

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Just for the record I do not support the 1953 coup. It was wrong and I oppose it. Just because I question Mossadegh does not mean I want UK to meddle in Iran. They should have left us alone. It was our business not theirs.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

anglophile

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

First of all stop insulting me or making fun. It is unbecoming.

Second: Churchill did not love Iran. If he did why did he force Reza Shah to go? He wanted one thing and that was "oil".

By the way I am not anti-Mussadeghi; I just do not worship him. I am not naive and very familiar with Britain. I spent a lot of time there. My family had very close ties to high level British insiders. I know what they were up to then and now.


anglophile

Dear DNK and Mash Parham LOL

by anglophile on

 

Daijan Napoleon of Khorasan (DNK)

I have left message for you on the burkah arrest in Paris. Take look. BTW, Churchill loved Iran, that is why he helped Mohammad Reza Shah return to Iran in 1953. As an anti-Mussadeghi you of all people should appreceite that.

 

And as for Mash Parham (the new side kick to DNK)

see the full ddocument by Majid Tafreshi in my link Mash Parham and don't sanitise the documents.


Parham

FYI

by Parham on

This is what has been uncovered mostly from the released national British documents.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear anglophile

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

All I got here is your word. No proof; no evidence. Plus even if he did take money from Saddam so what? He did nothing to harm Iran. Very much the opposite Shapur Bakhtiyar paid for his life for Iran. Will you?

In addition using the picture of an Iran hating racist "Churchill" does not help you. It detracts from your credibility and puts your motives in doubt. I tell you I do not believe one thing that comes out of England specially BBC.

England should keep its paws off Iran and our politics. Not one single word from them has any value. They already dd plenty of damage to the world and it is time for them to go away.


Parham

anglophile

by Parham on

Lay your proofs on the table.
As they say, "put up, or shut up". : )


anglophile

There is no video clip I am afraid :))

by anglophile on

... showing the smiling late Bakhtiar and the grinning late Saddam shaking hands with Saddam holding a cheque for ten million dollars in favour of Bakhtiar! I guess by your Daijan Napoleonic criteria nothing less than that is proof enough of Bakhtiar's receiving financial aid, among logistics (Baghdad Office and Radio station) and other things, from Saddam. Oh, even with such an imaginary clip I am sure you will say, that was not the real Saddam but one of his imposters LOL.   Sorry old chap but the writing is all over the wall. From David Alliance's lobbying for Bakhtiar to have the British getting Saddam to support Bakhtiar to Amery's and Temple-Morris's accounts of their meetings with Oveissi and Bakhtiar to Andrew Withley's reports to the British FCO, all and all show (without might or perhaps or maybe) that both Oveiss and Dr B had been recepients of Saddam's generousity. Even Dr B has been so reticent to condem Saddam (his benefator) outright and considered Khoemini (and quite rightly so) and much more dangerous enemy.   There is a new genre of -allahis being born these days: Bakhtiar-allahis. You fellows by your blind support are doing more damage to the status of the late Bakhtiar than protecting him. You fellows should say: yes he did receive funds from Saddam. So what?   Even the ardent Mussadegh-allahis like Fariba Amini have accepted that Bakhtiar received supports and funds from Saddam, I suppose Ms Amini's father was much closer to Dr B than yours LOL. 

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Parham

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You obviously know more about this than I do. Nevertheless I would like to also see proof. By the way even in the unlikely event that he did it does not matter to me. Bakhtiyar was a great man. He did what he could to save Iran.

More than me and many others. Taking money from an enemy does not matter; it is what you do with it that matters. 


Parham

Prophet

by Parham on

I had heard such allegations. One was from Bani-Sadr, another from someone who was with Bakhtiar for years but then sold out to the Islamic Republic and returned to Iran.

I am still willing to accept them if I see any concrete proof. So far, I haven't seen any.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I had never even heard such an allegation til now. It on the face sounds like bull ***. Knwoing the type of man he was I find it hard to believe this. I therefore must agree with Parham. 

Show proof and real one or please withdraw the allegation. This sounds more like an attempt to tarnish a Great man. Where is proof!

VPK


Parham

Re: On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

by Parham on

Funny, nothing in what's posted has any proof to Bakhtiar being funded (either before or after) by Saddam. The released Brit documents only recount Julian Amery (an ex British parliamentarian)'s report on his meetings with Bakhtiar and Oveyssi, and his inability to find out where the two were getting their funding, and hinting/wild guessing that they might be getting funded by Saddam and/or Ashraf Pahlavi. All of this in the summer of 1980, before Saddam's attack.

Show me one place in any document where it shows Bakhtiar was actually being funded by Saddam before, during, or after (as claimed below) the eight year war (that's besides Bani Sadr's usual mumbo-jumbo)!


anglophile

On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

by anglophile on

 

My respect for Bakhtiar is not reduced by the fact that he received subtantial funds from Saddam before and after the war with Iran. BUT we should not allow the cult of human-worship blind us to the truth and force us to denial. Here is an except for a BBC Persian interview with Bakhtiar:

 

مصاحبه بی‌بی‌سی با بختیار

روز ۲۴ جولای ۱۹۸۰/ ۲ مرداد ۱۳۵۹ (سه روز قبل از درگذشت شاه)، فریدون جاهد، خبرنگار بخش فارسی سرویس جهانی بی‌بی‌سی مصاحبه‌ای را با شاپور بختیار در پاریس انجام داد. این مصاحبه پس از مصلحت اندیشی با وزارت خارجه بریتانیا انجام و ترجمه متن کامل آن نیز برای وزارت خارجه بریتانیا ارسال شد.

این مصاحبه در حالی انجام شد که بختیار قبلا در دیدار با داوود آلیانس، رادیوی بی‌بی‌سی را "صد در صد طرفدار خمینی" نامیده و عنوان کرده بود که ایستگاه رادیویی سیار خود در ایران را برای خنثی کردن تبلیغات بی‌بی‌سی آماده راه‌اندازی کرده است.

در ابتدای این گفتگو، بختیار شایعه اخطار دولت فرانسه به او برای کنار گذاشتن فعالیت‌های سیاسی و یا اخراج را به کلی تکذیب کرد و همچنین ترور نافرجام او و ماجرای کودتای نظامی نوژه را بی ارتباط به هم دانست. بختیار ضمن تکذیب ارتباط خود با ماجرای نوژه، احتمال داد که نقشه ترور او مدت‌ها قبل از کشف کودتا طرح شده است.

بختیار در پاسخ به سؤالی درباره ادعای مقامات ایران درباره ارتباط بین کودتای نوژه و قصد اشغال ایران توسط عراق گفت: "من هرگز با اشغال ایران توسط عراق موافق نیستم، ولی متاسفانه ایران روز و شب به عراق حمله می‌کند."

خبرنگار بی‌بی‌سی مجددا پرسید: "آیا عراقی‌ها به شما قول چیزی را داده‌اند؟ بختیار پاسخ داد: "من از هیچ کس قول نمی‌خواهم، ولی منافع متقابلی وجود دارد و ما هر دو ضد رژیم خمینی هستیم

Also see: 

به پیغام رسان شلیک نکنید


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Princess

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You are right. It does take Wisdom and most people do not have it. However it also takes hard work and courage. When Bakhtiyar took the job he risked his life. And paid for it very dearly. Many of us including myself love Iran. But I admit to not having done much other than post on IC.

It is the few who actually do something that become the greats. I know Bakhtiyar will be remembered as a great Iranian. I just hope we get a more like him. People did not appreciate him when he was PM. At least now I am happy to see all of us realizing what a gem he was.


Princess

Prophet

by Princess on

We might have plenty of people who truely love Iran, but I am not sure about their wisdom. Wisdom goes a lot futher than mere love, and I am afraid the way I see it, true wisdom is as rare as gold when it comes to us Iranians and politics. I hope I am wrong.

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Princess

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

You are right for most part. But there are many more jewels that are silent. The one thing we got out of this "revolution" was a lot of educated Iranians who have direct experince with democracy. What is needed now is for them to speak up. It is also a true love of Iran which is required. Shapur Bakhtiyar had all of them. Are we up to the job remains to see. I love Iran; maybe disagree with others on some issues but we got that going.

Parham

Prophet

by Parham on

No problem!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Parham

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

My apologies if I misunderstood you. Maybe I was projecting my own thoughts. For me oil is a curse on Iran. Had it not been for oil Mossadegh would have not been overthrown and the coup would not happened.

We would very possibly have a democracy right now in Iran. Honestly I want to *** on the oil. *** the oil that brought CIA and coup and all the things you know very well. Apologies to Parham.


Parham

Another link

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Gooya published this one yesterday -- also interesting:

//news.gooya.com/politics/archives/2011/08/12...

Prophet

When did I say that?? I just quoted Human Bakhtiar saying if secularism is not more important than the nationalization of oil, it's not less either.


Roozbeh_Gilani

روح آقای بختیار شاد و راهش ادامه دارد...

Roozbeh_Gilani


همچنین، روح  صد‌ها هزار دیگر از  هموطنان شهید ما از سلطنت طلب، ناسیونالیست، مجاهد، بهائی، مسلمان، مسیحی‌، کمونیست، کرد، بلوچ، اصفهانی، آذری، گیلکی، زن، مرد، بچه، جوان، پیر....... که جان پاک خود را فدای راه آزادی و استقلال ایران از این رژیم منفور فاشیستی اسلامی کردند شاد و راه سرخشان ادامه دارد تا سرنگونی این نظام فاشیستی اسلامی و مجازات سید علی‌ خامنه‌ای آدمکش   و دار و دسته اش...


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

A real hero

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

Dr Bakhtiyar was a real Iranian hero and a patriot. If JM had supported him maybe he would have won. If he had remained PM Iran would have become a democary. Rohash shad bashad.   Parham is right. Principle of secularism and democracy is far more imprtant than oil. I wish we never had any oil. Pumping *** out of ground is no match for secularism and democracy. 

Parham

Masoud & ROOG

by Parham on

Masoud jan - It's all my pleasure.

ROOG - Many thanks for those links.
There's also a nice piece by Iraj Pezeshkzad in the Radio Farda and NAMIR web sites that's very interesting to read.

I know the link to the Radio Farda material doesn't work anymore, but if I try to correct it, this blog will get taken off the main page (don't blame me, it's the system)! So I'll just post it again here:

//www.radiofarda.com/archive/bakhtiar_assassi...


Princess

May he rest in peace!

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متاسفانه در طول تاریخ، ایران دلسوز واقعی‌ که هم وطن پرست و هم دانا باشه خیلی‌ کم داشته، اون تکو توکی هم که داشته، مردم هیچوقت قدرشونو ندونستن، مثل این مرحوم. به امید روزی که ما قدر "جواهرات" نادرمونو بدونیم. روحش شاد و یادش گرامی‌!

 

 

 

 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Thanks

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on

Parham jaan,

Thank you so very much for posting the video. I just finished watching it.  As time has gone by, my respect for Dr. Bakhtiar has greatly increased.  If people knew then what they know now, most would have supported him.  Bakhtiar was many decades ahead of others.

Best,

Masoud

 


religionoutofgovernment

Bani Sadr's interview with the BBC

by religionoutofgovernment on

Here is a rebuttal of Bani Sadr's interview with the BBC in the above link. This man has no shame and will not hesitate to rewrite history to suit his personal agenda.

You may have to copy and paste the link:

//www.namir.info/Neuer%20Ordner/04-Spalte%20Mitte/2011/08-2011-August/05-050811-%20jomhoori%20eslami%20ba%20(dadras).htm


religionoutofgovernment

A True Iranian Hero

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I urge everyone to download and read his books. It not enough to call him a great man, we need to continue his legacy. 

Here are the links to the books: 

Yekrangi:

//www.amirshahi.org/Tarjomeh/yekrangi.pdf

 37 days after 37 years:

//www.shapourbakhtiar.com/Ketab.htm


Parham

Divaneh

by Parham on

My pleasure.


divaneh

Thanks for sharing

by divaneh on

Dear Parham, thanks for sharing the video. Very good interview. He certainly set an example of integrity, honesty and selflessness. Those qualities combined with his vision make him very rare.


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