Parvaneh A. Farid

I rest my case...

thank you nur for proving my point

ROFL

I think you might want to turn around right about now and see your own Pavlovian tail for yourself wagging furiously behind you.

Dr Pavlov

typical Pavlovian's dog response

Nur do you hear the bell ringing???

LOL

You announce that you don't respond but then go ahead and respond with ad homs. BTW the historical evidence shows that your profit was addicted to opium as was Mirza Abu'l-Fazl Golpayagani. I do not drink Vodka and I have never tried opium in my life. Get a better line.

I do not respond

to Azal's vodka and opium induced INFANTILE tirades....

all he does is embarrass him self and anyone who decides to associate with him....  

Rea

I am not counting you in. Just trying to keep you consistent with your stated views below. Beating chests for persecuted minorities is not a one way street, nor do the Haifan Baha'is hold any monopoly on the issue, as much as they'd like to. QED

Nur-i-Azal

Expressing an opinion on internal Baha'i issues and/or, god forbid,  taking sides would be highly arrogant on my behalf.  And would go far beyond my interest in this topic. 

With all due respect, count me out.;)

Mazlum-Nama'i-i-Mashhur-i-Baha'iyyan

Where is my humanity, you ask? Where is the humanity of your organization when destroying the lives of countless individuals who have dared to disagree and criticize its administrative bodies? Where was the humanity of your organization in declaring me and 11 other individuals to be apostates (murtad)? Where was the humanity of your organization when you sued the Orthodox Baha'is and the BUPC organization for trademark infringement of the name Baha'i? Where was the humanity of your founders who murdered in cold blood countless innocent Bayanis who dared to criticize and reject your founder? Where was the humanity in the corruption of Habib Sabet, Karim Ayadi and Hozhabr Yazdani in the 1970s? Where was the humanity of the Ugandan Baha'i NSA recently in this case? etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Where is my humanity?! My humanity is in unequivocally and without any hesitation or fear denouncing your creed, your ideology and your specific organization as being a clear and present danger to this humanity and its common weal. My humanity is warning our species about the kind of dangerous totalitarian nightmare that awaits them if they ever, God forbid, took you seriously. My humanity is screaming at the top of my lungs to the Green movement  in Iran to avoid you people like the black plague.

There is my humanity!

Behind the lifetime ideological brainwashing and mazlum-nama'i (feigning victimhood), where is your humanity? Especially where is your humanity in attempting to sabotage, hijack and discredit the Green movement at this crucial juncture with your own insatiable lust for political power in Iran?

As far as these seven individuals are concerned: given the documented history of the Yaran's corruption when it was known as the Ma'arif, esp. given Khanjani's which has been documented BY BAHA'IS, my response is one thing only: TOUGH LUCK! 

[Crossposted to USENET]

Rea, I agree

Apparently the Haifan Baha'is only see this principle one-sidedly and where they themselves are concerned and have no qualms about putting the religious beliefs of others on trial when it suits them. See here.

This blog is about 7 Bahais on capital trial for their faith

As you know IRI has murdered Bahais in the past for their faith, a matter of life and death. As an ex-Bahai you know that.

Where is your humanity Nur-i-Azal? You strike me as a person with good command of English, well read but lacking in human qualities.  The apostate issue you can write a blog about and it can be discussed elsewhere. Can you not keep things in proportion? For once under such sensitive circumstances, can it not be turned into a subject about you and your propoganda? You seem to stoop to pretty low levels to try to achieve your objectives.

There is a time and place for everything.

In the opinion of a humble atheist,

unless they do harm to others, none should stand trial for their religious beliefs.

Power corrupts

And you know the rest about absolute power!

The situation in Iran intoxicates you people with the possibilities of creating real political power for yourselves, doesn't it? It is so close you can actually taste it and can't believe your good fortune. You cannot wait to be installed as the state religion of Iran in the same way that Khomeini was flown from Paris to Iran on the dime of others to create his Islamic republican nightmare. This is what all of this is about: about how you Haifan Baha'is are being used by the same set of greedy and corrupt globalist shills who manufactured that hokey (counter-)revolution of 1978-79 and brought Khomeini to power. As they used the mullahs, now you are being used.

Just remember this, if your dream/nightmare does actualize, 30-40 years from now our children and descendents will be having a similar conversation about toppling the totalitarian Bahai theocratic state of Iran and its leaders. But I am confident that you people and your patrons will fail in your attempts to even get there.

[Crossposted to USENET]

here is something for us to chill!

The comment has a body too, not only title! Lets listen to this and chill!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7_pTD_hlk

If I am IRI, then IRI is in serious trouble -- and it will FALL!

Because I have spent the past 20 years working against it.
Yes, I wish the Haifan Baha'i WC and the historical LIE that it represents against the TRUTH, together with the apparatchicks and dangerous ideological sycophants who run that outfit, to be effaced from the pages of history in the same way that Nazism and Soviet power were finally effaced and as Islamism is about to be finally effaced, and hopefully one day Zionism along with it! Absolutely! Why? Because you are exactly the same totalitarian danger to this planet as they were.

Now you can lie as much you want about me, just as the MKO has lied about its own non-IRI critics and accused them of being in the pockets of the IRI (when Nurizadeh proved the MKO itself to be in the pocket of the IRI), but I am now and have been 100% upfront about who I am and what I actually represent. You people, on the other hand, wouldn't know what Truth and upfront means if your lives depended on it.

And as far as actual agents of the IRI are concerned, start with the webmaster and owner of this very site, and also take a hard, long look at yourselves. To quote Robert Dreyfuss once again:

HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:

New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)

//www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf

&

//www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini

Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)

MARG BAR ISTIBDAD-I-MAZHABI! ISLAMI VA BAHAI!

//bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

[Crossposted to USENET]

Nur-i-azal it becomes always relevant that you are IRI & it s ok

You wish the Haifa Baha'i centre to be effaced from the pages of history? the world recalls someone else wanted Israel to be eradicated from the map.Why do you only want Haifa?

Nothing can be effaced from the pages of history.History has crisis and victory. It is about time to be honest with who we are.  Baha'is are always Baha'is, be it in Iran where the are not allowed to practice their religion or on a blog or internet forum. Having Faith to what we beleive and that what we are practicing is in conformity with our mind and heart,cnditioning it does not harm others, makes us honest,civilized individuals of society. I suggest we all examin what we believe in. And remove masks! I have learned outside Iran that masks are only good for Halloween parties. Pretending to be someone else is a childish thing, we only pretend in our childhood games that we are doctors, police or mothers where dolls are our babies, we pretend to be racing by a car, some kids play with guns! But does any sound minded person give a real patient or a criminal to a child? Today we are grown up, you and I. Pretending to be someone else is a childish game.No one trust us if we keep playing this game.

Think about it and be well wisher for all. We need to build and be positive.Down to this, down to that, death to this death to that hasn't taken us anywhere.Light guides, darkness is only abscence of light.

Another broken record

The Bahai Universal House of Justice is blaming all loyal liberal Bahai critics of its heavy handed policies of being covenant breakers or apostates.

 The Bahai Universal House of Justice is blaming all ex-Bahai critics of being covenant breakers or apostates.

 The Bahai Universal House of Justice is blaming all the other Bahai denominations of being covenant breakers.

 The Bahai Universal House of Justice blames Sen McGlinn for seeking leadership and other assorted nonsense, and expels him, for writing and self-publishing a book.

If this is not another broken record, then what is? One is sorry to see this happening. God willing, one day the Haifan UHJ will be effaced from the pages of history and such sectarian persecution will stop.

[Crossposted to USENET]

There is no Baha'i history since 1844

Baha'i history begins at the earliest in 1863, not before.

Broken Record

The IRR is blaming Baha'i for being Israeli spies. 

The IRR blames opposition students for being Israeli spies.

The IRR blames diaspora for being Israeli spies

The IRR blames murder of Professor Masoud Ali on Israelis agents.

If this is not a broken record then what is? I am very sorry to see this happening to Baha'i. Hopefully before long the Islamic regime will be gone and persecution stop.

Thank you all for replying,

will read the links this evening.

In the meantime, will send a comment to my Croatian forum using bits and pieces of Mona's comment ( hope you don't mind:) ).

For Rea: Why are Bahais Persecuted?

Hello Rea,

This is a video produced for a Persian Audience and broacast to Iran a couple of years ago.

The CYCLE OF OPPOSITION

Also you might want to read up ...

on the Bahai History in Iran since 1844

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/nz/DB/

The Bahai's have been in Israel since 1872...

When Bahaullah was exiled there....

here are the details....

Bahaullah's incarceration in AKKA...

 //reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/GPB/gpb-12.html

Baha'is of Iran are ONLY persecuted because of their beliefs

, and they're not and have never been threats to Iran’s national security.please take a look and read these two documents by Iran HRDC.

Crimes Against Humanity: The Islamic Republic's Attacks on Bahai's

A Faith Denied: The Persecution of the Baha'is of Iran

And  regarding politics , as a Baha'i, we're forbbiden to take part in political party or partisan movement. We stay away from memebership of any poitical party.We can work in nonpolitical government jobs. I, as a Baha'i, vote in a general election for any candidate who I believe would make a difference and can contribute and help to betterment of my community/society/ country where I live.

The Baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics does not prevent us from taking public positions on  social/ moral issues such as advancement of women, racial unity, social and econimic development,interfaith (like this coming World Religion Day ),....

The principle of non-involvement in politics is related to the Baha'i teaching of loyalty to government in power. We obey the government  and avoid from any attempts to overthrow or damage it. The Baha'i community at all times show obedience, submission and loyalty towards their own government consistent with the principle of nonpolitical involvement.

This is what we're told and that's what we do "In every country where any of this people (Baha'is) reside, they must behave towards the government of that country with loyalty, honesty and truthfulness.">>>

Mona

My limited understanding:

It may be the Israel connection - bahais operate under a governing council based in Israel. They have a shrine in Haifa and their prophet's own burial place in Acre are objects of pilgrimage for Baha'is, who come to pray, meditate and pay respect. Haifa's tourism authority says 43 percent of tourists in the city come mainly to view them.

Iran and Israel have been enemies since Iran's Islamic revolution , and IRI think that Bahais spy and collaborate with Israel , that they are "Zionist agents" .

//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985731.html

The Baha’i International Community categorically denies the accusations against the seven individuals and states the following:

The accusation of spying is contrived and has long been used as a pretext to persecute Baha’is and as an attempt to impede the progress of the Bahá’í community. Since the 1930s, Baha’is have successively been accused of being tools of Russian imperialism, of British colonialism, of American expansionism, and, most recently, of Zionism. The Baha’i Faith has never been a part of any of these movements. There is no truth to this allegation, nor is there any evidence to support it.

That the international headquarters of the Baha’i Faith is located within the borders of modern-day Israel is purely the result of Baha’u’llah, the founder of the Baha’i Faith, being banished from his native Tehran and sent – by Persian and Ottoman authorities in the 19th century – to perpetual exile in the city of Acre, near Haifa. Baha’u’llah arrived in Acre in 1868, 80 years before the establishment of the state of Israel. The Iranian government is well aware of this history.

Accusations that Baha’is "insult religious sanctities" and promote "propaganda against the Islamic regime" are completely without foundation – Baha’is respect all religions, including Islam, and are loyal to government.

Perhaps someone like Faryar can clarify your question.

Question from an outsider

In anything I've read about the Baha'i plight in Iran I found no answer as to why they've been singled out by the regime.

On my country forums those who support the "democratic" Iranian  government often cite the freedom of religion accorded to all Iranians in support of their democracy thesis. Either they dismiss altogether my 'Baha'i claim' or they say "if there is any persecution, it must be politically motivated."

So my question is, have the Baha'i been singled out for religious (eg. proselytism) or for political reasons? If for political, in what sense they are active politically?

A couple of links will do. Thanks.:) 

Barbaric

I wish the international community would do more about the bahais of Iran. Verbal condemnations is not enough. It is frustrating to see that nothing has changed and they are still being victimised. I have personally witnessed the effect on bahai families that have lost a loved one through executions, for just being a bahai. It destroys their lives.

Les hope for a miracle that they will be released and can return to their lives and families.

injustice elsewhere doesn't legalize the injustice in Iran

Until we keep comparing ourselves with the worse we will not develope.We Iranians need to be open minded and more than that open our hearts to the world and all that is therein and learn from the positive steps others are taking.Concentrating on their shortcomings brings no fruit to neither our lives nor to our country.

Prosperity and well being of Iran and its nation is the ultimate desire of any Iranian and for that we need to do something and not go against and always point our finger on the wrongdoings of  other nations.

I can only agree that there is no "the best" justice system in the world but I am talking about Iran,we can and we will have one of the best justice systems,one day the whole world will learn from us,and that is clear as the sun to me.

...

دلم از این خرابی ها بود خوش چونکه میدانم
خرابی چون که از حد بگذرد آباد میگردد

به ویرانی این اوضاع هستم مطمئن زان رو
که بنیان جفا و جور بی بنیاد میگردد

مونا

Mordechai Vanunu: A Prisoner of Conscience in Israel

In fall 1986 Mordechai
Vanunu, an Israeli citizen who had been employed at the Dimona Nuclear
Power Plant in the Negrev Desert, gave evidence to the London Sunday
Times newspaper that Israel was developing nuclear weapons. He wanted to
inform the world.  It was an act of conscience. He was convicted of
treason and sentenced to 18 years in Israeli prison. He spent the first
eleven and a half years in solitary confinement. He was released from
prison April 21, 2004 with severe restrictions
on his activities for at least the next six months and possibly
indefinitely. Vanunu may not communicate with foreigners and may not
travel into certain areas of Israel.

//www.peaceheroes.com/MordecaiVanunu/mordecaivanunu.htm

They are lucky they don't live in the US

US has the largest prison population in the world! The prisons are so full that recently they simply opened the doors and let some of them out as they had no money to keep them in there! You think Iran is bad? You know nothing!