Congratulations to 2nd Muslim American elected to US Congress

Q
by Q
11-Mar-2008
 

Andre Carson, grandson of the late Democrat Rep. Julia Carson, was elected to serve the balance of her term in the U.S. House of Representatives in a special election.

She died in December 2007, after serving 11 years in the heavily Democratic district.

The younger Carson, 33, a member of the Indianapolis City Council who converted to Islam about a decade ago, will serve out the remainder of his grandmother's term through calendar 2008. He beat Republican Jon Elrod and a third party candidate with 52 percent of the vote to 44 percent for Elrod.

From: //www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1...

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congratulations indeed

by Sadri (not verified) on

America is a hopeful place these days. I hope more Muslims can now participate in government.


Q

Fine

by Q on

so long as everyone is clear which one of us has "no more answers in magic bag", isn't that what you called it?


Zion

Chill Out

by Zion on

Chill out Q. It`ll do you good. LOL. Chill out.
(I am still cooperating. see?)


Q

more lies as usual...

by Q on

they are easily satisfied with some suitable words and nominal endorsements.

you really don't understand this country at all do you Zion? Either that or you are minimizing on purpose. This is how things get done, money, donations = bills, legislation and policies. If it didn't work, they wouldn't be in business very long. Ask your co-workers at AIPAC. Entire books are written on how it works. Don't treat us like we are stupid. Money is how politics works in America. Yes, Zion, even "really serious" matters like foreign policy are affected by politics.

I couldn`t care less if you accept my statements or not.

Oh I wouldn't expect anything else from the likes of you. I just wanted to highlight that all you have is your discredited words! While I have shown video of sitting Senators and congressmen embracing this message. Yes, you are so arrogant as to think your own assertion without counter-evidence is actually a valid "response". You think people should not trust their own eyes, but trust your "words" instead. That's how full of yourself you are! No wonder you don't get it.

Whenever there is no more answers in your magic bag, there is always this `palestinian children` to come back to, isn`t there?

You mean like whenever there is no more answers in your magic bag, you always accuse others of bringing up palestinian children? And also never respond to it? No, my ignorant friend, this was not accidental. It was a direct response to you for when you said: "These people are not committing any crime." Yes, they are supporting major crimes. You simply have a self-centered way of defining what a crime is: basically what they do and never what we do. That's what kind of crime these people are supporting.

I realize you have convinced yourself that killing children is not a crime, but just because that's what you believe, doesn't make it reality.

But I thought everyone already knew this and and wasn`t fooled.

Wow, what a clever propagandist you are. Yes, everyone who has a chance to read your BS. People who are reading your material can easily reach this conclusion but not the ones who have not yet had the "pleasure." That's who this is for... glad you are cooperating.


Nadias

Wow!

by Nadias on

There sure are a lot of night owls on this web-site. Yes, I know, I am a night owl too.

 

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia


Zion

AnonymousKhadij

by Zion on

Yes indeed. That is indeed the the level of `crimes` Israel is committing all the time. The damn criminals!


Zion

This is getting really fun now

by Zion on

`Even though major instruments of power in the US and Israel pay homage to them...blah blah blah.`

Yes because they provide good money, good votes and loyal supporters, and they are easily satisfied with some suitable words and nominal endorsements. That is where it all ends. When it comes to really serous matters and decisions, their points of view are taken in to account as much as those of Kazmo Karmer (probably even less)

Zion, Your highness simply wants us to accept your personal decree ...blah blah blah`

Not at all. I couldn`t care less if you accept my statements or not. You bunch raise (pseudo-)point and I answer them the way it is. You are free to believe whatever twisted fairy tale you like.

`when Palestinian children are killed, maimed or starved on daily basis,`
yes of course. We are back at the innocent `palestinians` again. Surprise surprise. Whenever there is no more answers in your magic bag, there is always this `palestinian children` to come back to, isn`t there? It is the modern version of the `passion` plays. We were the killers of christ, now it seems he has somehow multiplied into this `palestinian children` handy tool. Ye. Here we go again.

`I wanted this blog to get more exposure so people see for themselves what you are about.`
ooo, you clever devil! tsa tsa. But I thought everyone already knew this and and wasn`t fooled. So why the need for such attention?
here here, you see. I am still playing along gathering some attention for you. So don`t worry so much. Be happy.


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The women dancing with Israeli flag at the end of that video

by AnonymousKhadij (not verified) on

was a crime against humanity!


Q

Yes, here we go again.

by Q on

Zion, Your highness simply wants us to accept your personal decree (previously found to be majorly flawed) that these people are "powerless", facts be damned! No proof necessary. Even though major instruments of power in the US and Israel pay homage to them. They are considered a powerful lobby working for the most powerful lobby on foreign policy, AIPAC. Yes.... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

A group of people with Zionist connections just like them (neocons) created the Iraq mess which has killed nearly a million people. The Israel lobby and its allies are responsible for funding and supporting Israel's illegal settlement policy. They are responsible for allowing Israel to carry on major crimes with impunity. Yes, if one person gets beheaded, you would like 1 Billion "morally bankrupt" Muslims to be "responsible" but when Palestinian children are killed, maimed or starved on daily basis, you don't see a "crime."

You wasted no time delivering the double-standard I was looking for.

I told you why I respond (for now). I wanted this blog to get more exposure so people see for themselves what you are about. And it is succeeding so far.


Zion

Yada Yada Yada

by Zion on

I say it once again my dear Q, this time perhaps a bit more slowly: If you really believe that anyone in positions to make decisions on issues of war and human life would even for a second give slightest attention to what these harmless loonies say, you are as nuts as they. You are actually more of a nut come to think of it. So chill out. :) This is the crux of the difference there exists with islamists like Ahmadinjad or Khamenei.

`Still if this is something you disapprove of, but your fellow Zionists are embracing by your own logic, you should be held accountable for it. At the very least your ``moral bankruptcy`` for ``letting it happen`` should be common knowledge.`

What are you talking about? I, like many others disapprove of this policy, but there is no crime committed what so ever. There is nothing those who endorse the votes and money of these bunch have to apologize for. I disapprove of their policy nothing else.
Many who share my view express our opinion and disapproval in complete freedom in Israeli journals, media and the free speech arena all the time. Such issues are debated heatedly and constantly, and that is all that any decent and sane person would agree is to it.
(This `question` was the gem of your comment, sin`t it? )

`Yes, we get it, you are special . `
LOL. This is really what is at the bottom of all this that is eating you , isn`t it? Funny, it seems gentiles like you are the (only) ones who actually believe this stuff. Definitely not the Jews! Your reactions say so. I wonder why?

(oh, and if nobody is buying what i say, why are you so desperately obsessed with proving me wrong all the time?)


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Moslems will one day be the majority in Congress

by John Carpenter III (not verified) on

One day Moslems will be the Majority in the US Congress. The Supreme Court will also have all Muslim Judges. And the US President will be a Muslim. And there shall be direct talks and economic relations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America. Thank God.


Q

Zion, nobody's buying your Orwellian doublespeak

by Q on

your game is up here. You can accuse me of "hypocrisy" all you want. Your words are here for all to read. You can stop distorting now.

Yes, you have painted a picture of Zionists, Americans, Jews, "everyone" being against and opposed to Islam and Iran. In your sweeping generalizations, your demonization of an entire religion and country, and your blatent islamaphobia, you sound exactly like those assholes in the Christian-Zionist video.

people are a fringe bunch of harmless idiots. These bunch are a group of loudmouth with no real power to make any decisions.

Zion, we have already established you have no clue what's "fringe" and what's "mainstream." Can you explain to me how a fringe bunch of idiots can personal visits from US Senators and Congressmen (did you even watch the video?). Can you explain to me why major presidential candidates are kissing their behind to get endorsements?

McCain Courts "Apocalypse Pastor" Hagee

Yes, very "fringe" indeed Zion. Why do you have to lie so damn much? This man, who just endorsed McCain wants to Bomb my family. I can understand why you don't care (because it's not YOUR family), but don't BS me about him being "fringe."

Hagee is backed by AIPAC and the Israeli establishment, whom you may be beginning to realize don't care about Israel itself, only the $billions the "special relationship" brings to their defense and tech investors. But I don't give you that much credit. You're too much of a "High School Football" team player to ever get it.

The director is Jewish himself, but not a zionist.

I happen to have met Max Blumenthal last year. He's a progressive reform Jew. "Zionist" as a term has unfortunately been hijacked by warmongering likudniks and their apologists who have no idea what they are talking about.

Still if this is something you disapprove of, but your fellow Zionists are embracing by your own logic, you should be held accountable for it. At the very least your "moral bankruptcy" for "letting it happen" should be common knowledge.

(I can't wait until you come up with a different standard for yourself than you did for 1 Billion Muslims. Yes, we get it, you're "special.")

I didn't whitewash anything. I explained this to you once and you either didn't get it or don't want to accept it. You cherry pick the parts you want to believe, you don't understand "USSR" and you refuse to accept Project Censorship's article. This means you are a propagandist pure and simple.


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Zion

by Mammad (not verified) on

Zion:

Since you seem to hold everybody, except Zionists of course, responsible for practically everything on the face of the earth, and since you seem to have such "high" standards of humanity and peace, why do you not condemn the Jewish Hezbollah - the armed Jews in the Occupied Territories - for all the crimes that they constantly commit, ranging from stealing land, water and agricultural resources of the Palestinians, to setting up colonial outposts that sometimes become even too much to some of the other Zionists?

Why do you not protest your Zionist brothers who kill women, children, and old men in the name of fighting terrorism, and have created the largest jail on earth - the Gaza Strip?

Jews in Israel are entitled to live in peace, like everyone else. But, that does not give them permission to commit all sorts of crimes against the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories on a daily basis. I agree that the Palestinians have also committed many terrorist acts against innocent Israelis, which must be, and have been - a lot of times unproportionally - condemned. But, the bottom line is: They are fighting the occupation and colonization of their land.

So, where are your humanity and "high" standards when it comes to such war crimes? Is it because you Zionists believe that only a Jew or Zionist can criticise another? Certainly, the Israeli lobby in the US thinks and acts so.


Iranian-

Zion

by Iranian- on

As I indicated "Iran as a Nation" basically means anyone rulling Iran not any specific government.

Also, it was recently discovered by a German historian (can not remember his name) that it was actually 1,000 years that Iran has not initiated any wars.


Zion

Iranian

by Zion on

Iran has not started a war for the last 250 years, not 1000 years.
Anyway I agree that Iran s a peaceful nation and Israel has no problem from IRAN. The threat is from the Islamic Republic ruling Iran for the last 30 years that is a different thing altogether, and have their terrorist arms all around the world, from Argentina to Lebanon.
You disagree? Are you saying that the regime in Iran is in anyways representative of Iranian people and their culture?


Iranian-

Zion

by Iranian- on

Iran as a nation has not started a war with another country for over a 1000 (thousand) years. Meanwhile Israel started at least four (maybe more) in its 60 years and even this great country that we live in, the US, has started many wars in its 250 years or so since its creation.

Now please go ahead and repeat your statement regarding Iranians having "their finger ready on deadly warfare" again!


Zion

Have you no shame, Q?

by Zion on

Where have I ever shown any support of such things here?
Amazing how easily you and your type can lie and slander others.

The video is not scary, it is just pathetic and comical. These people are a fringe bunch of harmless idiots. As ambassador Gold stressed very correctly, the real danger lies with those in positions of power who want to actually push the clock forward and have the power to implement their madness in politics today. These bunch are a group of loudmouth with no real power to make any decisions (thankfully!) and as the video shows ultimately they are no real friends to Jews outside their lopsided biblical nonsense.

` The director is Jewish himself, but not a zionist.`
How do you know he is not a zionist? He might or might not be, I don`t know. But to imply, as you are doing here, that zionists necessarily approve of these groups is absolute rubbish. I am a zionist and I totally disapprove of such people and of Israel actually belittling herself for the support of this pathetic bunch, as do many others.
The only reason these people get any podium is because they provide support for Israel, because of their own deluded reasons, and they provide money and votes. If you think that they have any influence in real political decisions, especially regarding matters of life and death, war and defense, you are as nuts as they are. That is the main difference between them and the likes of Ahmadnijead and the regime in Iran. If educated secular people were not deluded by nonsense leftist anti-Israel crap, then some Israeli officials would not have forced themselves the humiliation of being associated by such groups.
As I said, I as many others disapprove of this and think it is a mistake for Israelis even under these circumstances to be associated with these groups, but that is the real reason.

Now how about you whitewashing the direct genocidal assertions of your lunatic president, who is like the rest of his gang much more looney than these bunch, and unlike them has, together with his leader, their finger ready on deadly warfare. How do you explain your obvious and deadly hypocrisy?


Nadias

How scary.....

by Nadias on

so according to the Christian Zionist, anyone that does not believe what they believe is going to hell.

Unbelievable! What total nonsense. Since when did they become God?  No wonder some people keep thinking Christians are lunatics and a bunch of zealots. Aye!  

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia


Q

Nadias: best resource on Christian Zionists

by Q on

is this short video which is actually very scary. It shows how idiotic Israelis and their "christian" allies justify going to war with Iran and even nuking it.

It also shows that unlike the picture Zion and his ideologically blinded buddies paint, these things are actually very troubling to Jews as well. The director is Jewish himself, but not a zionist.

//youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig


Nadias

Dear Iranian-

by Nadias on

Very interesting. I have heard of many branches of Christianity but I had never heard of Christian Zionists.

I know that Jews are being encouraged to go back to the Holy Land by some Christian organizations so that the prophecy can come to pass.

Thank you for the information and suggestion. I will look into it.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia


Zion

Fine

by Zion on

`I am more than capable of understanding more than just elementary issues.`

Then I respectfully suggest that besides just boasting about your immense capabilities, you also show them every once in a while in the comments that you write.
Good day!


Iranian-

Dear Nadias

by Iranian- on

This is a special branch of Christianity, they are sometimes called the Christian Zionists. Of course not all Christians think as they do.

These people, have this idea that Christ will appear in the very near future in the Middle East. They believe that Russia, Iran and Arab countries will invade and occupy the Holy Land. Then an Anti-Christ will appear (probably a European) in the Holy Land. They then want the US to occupy Israel and give it back to the Jews so that Christ will appear. When he does appear, the remaining Jews will be converted to Christians. This is just one variation of the story.

You can Yahoo or Google 'Christian Zionism' and there is plenty of information on this.


Nadias

Zion this is my last post to you..

by Nadias on

I don't appreciate you insulting me. I am more than capable of understanding more than just elementary issues.

Also, like I mentioned in a previous post, I don't care about your past. It is yours to deal with.

 


Nadias

Dear Iranian-

by Nadias on

Actually, many Christians from varying denominations throughout the world believe that there will be an Anti-Christ.

Now, the conversion of Jews into Christians when Christ comes again, is news to me. You would not happen to know in which book in the Bible it claims this? Maybe my mother has heard of this.

 I know that some Christians believe that the Anti-Christ will come from the Middle East but I don't know if it is in the Bible. I know that in the book of Revelations it foretells many of what the Christians believe will come to pass when Christ returns.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia


Zion

Nadias

by Zion on

You confuse things again. I am not holding other muslims responsible for the atrocities that other muslims have committed. I am holding them responsible for not standing up against such atrocities. These are two clearly distinct issues. When they do not stand up, they do not have any justification to feel insulted when Islam is criticized either. Are you capable of understanding these rather elementary issues?
If American went blowing themselves up, you would see thousands if not millions of angry Americans demonstrating against such acts to clean their name and the name of their nation.
I can give you concrete examples. In Israel a few years ago, an Israeli soldier killed arab civilians in a bus. Israel was outraged. He didn`t even get a military burial for what he did. The same goes for the jerk who killed many arabs in Hebron many years ago. Even more so, a group of Lebanese christians killed lebanese muslims in Sabra and Shatila while that area was under Israeli occupation. Israeli population were so outraged that Israeli forces failed to safeguard the lebanese muslims that they put the military commander to trial and he was thrown out of the army. That is Arik Sharon I am talking about.

There are many more examples. Many more. Not just Israel, but also many other western free lands today. As you said, if Israelis didn`t show outrage, this still would not mean that they were responsible for the atrocity, but it would have meant that they were responsible for not acting morally against it. The same goes for Christians regarding the crusades or the prevalent anti-semitism in prior times. Christians today are not responsible for the crimes of the crusaders, but they are responsible for denouncing it as vehemently as they can, and they do.
Muslims are responsible for denouncing such acts of violence that is done under their banner. They fail in this.
Do you finally get it?

(you know nothing about me or my past, so please don`t make a fool of yourself with such irrelevant sentences about mine and your past, OK?)


Iranian-

Dear Nadias

by Iranian- on

I agree with you that Americans are decent and open minded people, nothing like the Crusaders.

However there are chruches here in the U.S. that believe in the 'Anti-Christ' and the 'Coming of Christ' in the Holy Land in the very near future. They believe that can only happen if the Holy Land is occupied with Jews. And after Christ appears, the Jews must be converted to Christians.


Iranian-

Zion

by Iranian- on

What you just said has made my point! If Israel continues its aggression, it will only get worse. Much worse than it is now.

I am sorry, but I think that your mind is blocked out, nothing seems to be able to get in there.


Nadias

Zion all you have to do....

by Nadias on

is go back and read your own statements on this thread. You can also go back to any comments you have posted on any other articles or blogs by Q.

You do realize that each individual is accountable for their own actions. In Islam, Christianity and Judaism this is what is taught.

Your thought process is illogical again. For example, if a group of Christians believe that the Romans are responsible for the death of Jesus then why would they be accountable for another group of Christians that insist in believing falsely that the Jews were the ones that caused the death of Jesus. Do you see the fallacy in your thinking?

The same goes for Muslims. Why should some Muslims be held accountable/responsible for the few Muslims that are extreme? It is not logical.

I will also not hold all Jews accountable because there are some extremists within the Jewish community. It is not logical or just.

Zion, there are balanced and extremists in every religion and ethnic group. You should not over generalize.

Zion, I already know that you will not see things in an objective way because of things that occurred in your past. My past is different from yours. We will not see things the same.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia


Zion

Iranian

by Zion on

It is not only wahhabists in Saudi Arabia. There are many many examples, , that similar statements are expressed by sunni scholars in Al-Azhar in Egypt, in palestinian territories, in madrasas in pakistan and Afghanistan, by shiite scholars in Lebanon and of course in Islamic republic of Iran. You are all living in denial about your religion and that is extremely cowardly and morally abhorrent.


Nadias

I think that........

by Nadias on

the US Christians will not start up any Christian crusade as you mentioned in your statement Iranian-. Those days have come and gone.

Also, there are many Christians that realize it was actually the Romans that crucified Christ and not the Jews.

Yes, many countries are only interested in the Middle East because of the oil. They can say what they want to justify their actions but the truth is that they want the oil.

In a perfect world the Middle Eastern countries would all get along. One can always dream.

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia