Quintessential Questions

None

I belong to none of the above.  But you on the other hand belong very much to the category of "mentally disabled camel "

So Fare,

Which catagory do you belong to? One, Two or Three?

Did you click on the AIPAC LINK TO GIVE ISRAEL THE GREEN LIGHT TO BOMB IRAN?

I'll refresh your mind these are the catagories:

"1. Distance oneself from Israel, ala "I like most other Iranians do not know any israelis"

but of course the vast majority of anti-Iran Zionists and that section of Iranian Jewish community (whom I understand really well for reasons I can explain later) who has too much misplaced pride in Israel, may or may not call itself "Israeli."

2. Name themselves "OnlyIran", "IranFirst", "TruelyIran", "ReallyImeanItIcareAboutIran", "PleaseBelieveMeIdontCareAboutIsrael" and "Dont'botherMeI'mTouchingMyselfThinkingAboutIran", and generally act over the top on the patriotism angle.

3. Choose to butt in and defend people they do not seemingly know, if they are being accused of toeing the AIPAC line (about which there is no dispute, and even Fred has agree publically)" 

mental disabilities galore

It is called sarcasm.

Really? Did you just discover this concept?

Oh, don't worry about me, I am very familiar with this concept.  You on the other hand obviously haven't, and mistake sarcasm for agreement!:).  So you flunk English writing right there.  As far as math:

I said I *generally* try to ignore characters like Q (which doesn't mean always).

Yes, it only means 20 of out 20 opportunities in a row!

Read carefully what you said.  You are saying that generally trying to ignore someone means ignoring them 20 out of 20 times. Well, you just flunked basic math as well!

Oh, but you know how to cut and paste Shakespeare.  Yayyyy!  You can actually plagiarize other people, just like the IRI does (why am I not surprised).

Honestly Quixote, if only you had a clue how ridiculous you sound:

First- you start a blog addressing your camel which accuses a whole bunch of people based on arbitrary criteria that you see fit of being AIPAC members.

Then, when someone asks you a very basic question that challenges you on your basic standard of fairness, you say DECLARATIVELY that you will definitely ignore it.

Then, you change your mind, and complain that you are being interrogated, that to ask you such a basic question is a charade, and that those questioning you are SAVAKI.

Then finally, after numerous requests of different people to get your answer you finally state "yes" while calling them "clueless" for asking!  And of course, you are always "happy to teach others".  What a complete farce and joke you are.

So basically, you can accuse and label whoever you want , but nobody can question you.  And that is here, where you have no power over anybody, and are just a nobody.  Just think if you had power and controlled the law and the police and the prisons, what would we have?

Simple- we would have just what we have today in Iran, an Islamic republic where people of different opinions get imprisoned and tortured for peacefully questioning the wrong people.

So indeed, if there ever was even a doubt about your stance on "human rights", it is clearly gone now.  You don't give even the slightest right to humans to express themselves freely.  Camels on the other hand seem to be another story for you!

All I can say Quixote is, Have fun with your camel!  Just a friendly reminder, please refer to your tozihol masael for the rules of having fun with your camel during Ramadan:)

Slander

so in your world, using a quote that you have written with a link to the full context is called "slander" ?

silly me, I thought slander was supposed to be false and malicious, a lie to sully your good "name".

If this is your understanding of what a "lie," is than I really have to rest my case!

and Fair: My pridiction of you, really bears repeating. So here you go:

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Ah... yet another psychological fetish: "having the last word'
by Q on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:52 AM PDT

it must be pointed out to the his "fair" highness, that this is not in fact grammar school. You have a fetish on SAVAK-style interrogations, you have a fetish for repeatedly calling me "thick skull", and now we know you have a fetish for "having the last word" on a blog. You are in fact acting like you are in the fifth grade, derailing discussions that you cannot substansively participate in and completely wasting people's time for your own personal shortcomings.

I'm glad that you posted that quote Q - It perfectly

illustrates your slander blog here. :-))

Tel Aviv out -

No more back and forth with liars who try to justify their lies by slandering people.  Feel free to ramble on liar.  

PS- Also feel free to use the "Tel Aviv out" quote for your next indisputable "proof" that I'm an Israeli agent.  :-))

You haven't proven anything

You do exactly what i said in many conversations. I suppose you must not be familiar with Persian figures of speech and grammar in general: The "every" is not meant to be literal, nor is it meant to be that every single one of you (the group I described) does it together simultaneously.

You are the one splitting hair on "lie." But if you insist, then I suppose you are no better for lying about my splitting hairs "all" the time!

You see how splitting hair works? You see how diversions and red-herring works? At least the readers will see!

Lastly, I couldn't help notice your use of the proverbial "antisemetism" card. I have yet to see someone throw this well known tactic without being a devout Zionist or an apologist for Israel.

Let's not kid ourselves. When the accusations of being a Zionist and an AIPAC agent is thrown out like candy on this site at anyone who is critical of the IRI, we all know that the accuser(s) are not talking about the greater Zionist movement. We know that what they really mean is that "you don't like the IRI because you're a dirty Jew who wants to rule the world and the IRI is the only thing that is standing in your way". Now, you can hide behind all kinds of philosophical arguments on how you really don't mean that, but we know better. As someone said below, let's call a spade a spade.
//iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/what-it-...

Yea. Let's call a spade a spade by all means!

Oh so now I'm only defending Israel "regarding Iran". I don't

"butt in" every conversation to defend Israel.  Now that deserves a good LOL.  

Give it up Q.  You were proven a liar and now you're turning to divert attention by changing the subject and turning into a clown.  

LOL

Yes, you are upset because I called you out it's understood. However, I like you to pay attention to your own langauge:

for someone who splits hair all the time

and then,

you're really chickening out. You said that I "butt in every conversation". By definition, that does not include my blogs (samples of which are posted below).

Perhaps you are starting to understand how language works.

Your own blogs count of course, and your so-called criticism of Israel/Palestine policy is a red herring, completely irrelevent of your defense of Israel elsewhere regarding Iran, especially since that's supposdly what you are only about!

Sorry, couldn't resist low hanging fruit. :)

Come on Q, for someone who splits hair all the time

you're really chickening out.  You said that I "butt in every conversation".  By definition, that does not include my blogs (samples of which are posted below).  What you say is that I interject myself to others' conversations to defend Israel (it's actually the opposite.  I ignore 99% of conversations, blogs and news items about Israel--just not interested).  But you have failed to show any conversations where I have "butted in" to defend Israel.  Even in the red herring blog that you talk about, I never defend Israel.  

You have also lied about my opinions about Arabs and Muslims which I have, and always continue to defend, including here (in addition to my blogs):

 //iranian.com/main/blog/dale-husband/muslims-get-life

Again, the burden is on you to show how I have "butted in" to defend Israel.  Actually, let me help you a bit.  I did a quick search of the site of when I have "butted in" a conversation relating to Israel, and this is what I found:

 //iranian.com/main/news/2010/05/31/eu-calls-seeks-enquiry-israeli-military-action

I was really "defending" it then. :-)))

Q- You have been proven a liar so many times on this thread alone that it's not even a challenge anymore.   

PS- like the Bold?  I did it just for you. :-) 

You are definitly diverting now OI,

I wrote back a lengthy post the first time you challenged me to find quotes from you. It's in the back pages of the comments. People can read that and then read your blog history. I'm not wasting any more time on your well-displayed red herring and diversionary tactics.

Yes Rosie, listen to the distorter in chief Q

I showed clearly that OI and a similar small anonymous group has specifically documented efforts to excuse and defend Israel, while at the same time preaching we should care only about Iran, or advance the various forms of the bigoted argument that basically says "we both hate arabs, let's unite".

Yes, I always defend Israel and justify its actions.  Such as here:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/john-hagees-hate-fest-nuke-iran

I am also anti-Arab and anti-Islam, such as here:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/what-it-all-islam-bashing

BTW, Q, you have yet to show me and other readers how I "butt in every conversation" and "defend Israel", as you claimed here:

 3. feel like they have to butt in every conversation and defend Israel

Since you claimed that this "documented", then please go ahead and post all the links to all the times that I "butted" into conversations and defended Israel.  And remember, it has to be "every conversation".  Also, remember that disagreeing with you is not being "pro-Israel".  If you can't post those links, then your're a liar.  But, again, we already knew that.   

Rosie, re: OnlyIran

I'm glad you're bringing the actual topic back, but I have to sincerely disagree with your analysis, and that of OnlyIran.

OI threw several diversionary red herrings trying to pretend I accused him/her of writing pro-war comments, or that I claimed she doesn't care about Palestinians.

I showed clearly that OI and a similar small anonymous group has specifically documented efforts to excuse and defend Israel, while at the same time preaching we should care only about Iran, or advance the various forms of the bigoted argument that basically says "we both hate arabs, let's unite".

OI then, confronted with this, goes the route of reductio ad absurdum, trying to say, we "well YOU are an agent too."

This is in fact another diversionary tactic but I tell you why it is wholly without merit for a simple reason.

Yes, anybody could be an "agent", pretending to be one thing but being another. However, the total impact of that individual -- regardless of what he/she is pretending to be -- is written right here in black and white in these pages. It doesn't matter, who is "secretly" what. If some idiot is secretly a Zionist agent (as I was accused of being), but spends all their time "diverting" by making pro-IRI propaganda, then that person is just an idiot who is not fulfilling the original mission.

We only have our words. I used what these people write, in order to make the point. It doesn't matter if people are being double, triple or quadruple agents. What propaganda is written for the world to read, does not depend on the reader knowing the propagandist personally.

Dingo,

Ghorboone adame basavad!

Yes, I've been dropping lines from Othello, a play full of bigoted accusations and unfair treatment to make a point. Like the bard's tragic figures however, I pursued this lesson knowing full well I was talking to a brick wall with savad-envy.

Amir wrote:

 Oh Rosie, where are you?  :-)

I didn't read this blog for a number of reasons. Mainly limited computer access and trying to step back to avoid getting too drained. I just read it, and up half the thread. I want to make some comments later. For now I will say a few brief things.

It has been so painful to see that the divisions have become more polarized since the uprising and the acrimony much more awful. It all seems so bleak. Then I remind myself that there is a very positive political discussion going on on Ari's thread. Maybe others too.

I never felt that anyone here manipulated me for an 'agenda'. Whenever I've had friction it has always been due to a personality conflict.

OnlyIran was right on target early on. The same spurious and offensive tactics can be used on both 'sides'. And they are. And I agree with Sargord (yes, Sargord). If there are any agents here they are so few and far between that this chronic corrosive accusation is not worth mentioning.

I don't want any encouragement or kudos for this post. This is about you (y'all), not me. Is there only black and white in the world?

Shakespeare?

I don't need to get into the middle of this lover's quarrel, but I must ask.

Q, are you intentionally using Shakespeare quotes in your replies? I recognize a line from Othello.

How fascinating!

I told you he'll come back!

Q, Have mercy on him, let him win for once. He has developed a case of fetishism (anything to which one gives excessive devotion). The more you push him away the more he comes back for more. Just an observation.

Were it my cue to fight, my friend

I should have known it without a prompter!

It is called sarcasm.

Really? Did you just discover this concept?

I said I *generally* ignore characters like Q (which doesn't mean always).

Yes, it only means 20 of out 20 opportunities in a row!

Failure of remdial math skill to augment the personal shortcomings, the obsessive interrogation fetish, that are the real reasons for your continued dalghak-bazi ?

Indeed it can be no other!

God bless AIPAC!

Today, I am an APIAC!

IRR is a terrorist state and so are its supporters!

quixotic desires and self delusion (as usual)

For some reason, Quixote would really like me to agree with him so bad, to the point that he just imagines that this is the case:

Alas, an agreement that one can't weasel out of!
You are here to "educate" them, and they are here to listen if they want to be helped.

If you had savad, you would have read correctly.  I am repeating your absurd statement itself, to remind readers how full of yourself and pompous you are. It is called sarcasm. (newsflash Mr. "writer"!)

Also if you had savad, you would notice that I said I *generally* ignore characters like Q (which doesn't mean always).  You on the other hand decared unambiguously:

I'm really ignoring this one!

goodnight.

Must have been a long night, LOL:)  

Keep amusing yourself Quixote. Of course it looks like you don't have to rely solely on yourself anymore to do so, you now have some help in the form of an equally incompetent and unintelligent camel volunteering to help you get pleasure (just like in your upcoming tozihol masael!):)

Q,

As you said 80 comments ago he was supposed to leave the thread but he is still here and whining. They hate you because you spend time to research the subject and then you call them on their BS. I bet he'll be back for more. 

Mola, the explanation is simple

What really is he then that says I play the villain? He agrees not understanding of course what he agrees to. (it's not new).

The explanation is simple, Mola: It's the green eyed monster, sadly not even doing the meat mocking this time!

my advice to the knowledge deprived with selective ballsheimers:

don't nag when someone comes back to you and calls you on it.

when

Now, I generally try to ignore characters like Q
- by "Fair" 80 comments ago

LOL!

Alas, an agreement that one can't weasel out of!
You are here to "educate" them, and they are here to listen if they want to be helped.

- amused

BOOO!

If you have anything to add to Q's blog say it, or walk away. Bezar Bad Biad.

here is what is "amusing"

that you are so obsessed with answering me after claiming "you will really ignore this one":)

You said I agreed with you about my presence amusing you, and I proved you wrong (as usual).  You are continuing to amuse and pleasure yourself mentally.  

Now as far as name calling let's see:

"AIPAC member"

"clueless"

"liar"

"SAVAKI"

"STASI agent"

not to mention constant ridicule of other members, and most notably, issuing threats against them.

All against people whose only crime is to challenge your almighty wholesale conviction of people that fall in 3 categories that you defined yourself.  Oh, I forgot, only YOU can have such behavior.  Other people here are obliged to shut up and put up with your arrogant self delusionary tirades.  You are here to "educate" them, and they are here to listen if they want to be helped.  You are above other people, and are more worthy. What a load of crap and how full of it you are indeed.

I call a duck a duck. If I call you arrogant, you bring it on yourself.  If I call you bisavad, it is because you have proven that you cannot read (see above-if you can read that is).

If you ever want to have a reasonable, rational discussion with logic and respect, I will take you up on it anytime.  If you want to ridicule and threaten and judge and convict others, and mutilate those who ask you why, don't nag when someone comes back to you and calls you on it.  Remember Luke, or is this another case of your hypocrisy-telling others one standard to follow while exempting yourself from it?

Have fun writing your "tozihol masael" Quixote!  Only problem is, you
are a generation too late.  Iranians don't fall for crap like yours
anymore. Like I said, it was not that difficult to expose your emptiness.

Well, the facts are....

that your words provide much amusement, including your latest barrages of personal "issues" obviously being worked out inside your head. And your fetishes are subject of great fascination for all!

There is no shame in this, many an entertainer is proud to bring joys to the world. Serious people working on serious things, need a break from time to time.

the readers here are very well informed now, and have seen clearly who you are and you are not impressive by any means.

accuse you of being bisavad..

Of course. Name calling is what you do.

usually someone who feels like he has to say that is actually afraid that others do believe it. I believe this is your case. Another few examples and I may be able to make a fourth proven diagnosis.

The name is total irony, tragedy rather: It would be at least a world class tragedy if it could be said you are more fair than black, but of course it is not to be.

Indeed there is no irony in your name,

as you speak from the Q endlessly:)

You come here saying to your fellow camel that anyone who a)uses patriotic names, b) distances themselves from Israel, and c)come to the defense of someone being accused of toeing the AIPAC line must be a member of AIPAC.  Then after such witch hunt tactics, you accuse those who simply question your fairness as being SAVAK like.  Bravo, what a brilliant display of utter foolishness:)  (Perhaps that can be one of the next accolades you keep bestowing upon yourself)

I rightfully accuse you of being bisavad, simply because I said "keep amusing yourself", not "keep amusing yourself with my words", and so even with your weaseling twisted attempt at an explanation below, I still haven't agreed with you about "my presence amusing you".  That is just another invention of yourself for your own use and nobody else's. 

So Q, I give you this much- you certainly are amusing yourself, to the point of pleasuring yourself with your own words and delusionary brand of logic.  Perhaps soon if you keep this mental self pleasuring up, you can also rise to the level of your beloved Ayatollah, and write your own "tozih olmasael", and of course issue fatwas! (like who is Savaki and who is not)

What can I say, if it makes you feel better, good for you.  Whatever gives a deeply disturbed and unaccomplished soul comfort.

In the meantime, the readers here are very well informed now, and have seen clearly who you are and you are not impressive by any means. Except to yourself of course:)

Well, fair, actually I'm not the hater here,

nor is there irony in my very user name. People can read below that your fetishes have been predicted and continue to be.

Lastly, it seems if you understood the rules of grammar, you would not accuse me of being bisavad and other low-class insults (a form of release for you I'm sure).

Yes, I amuse myself using your words and it informs others. Of course elementary logic dictates that you must be "present" for your words to appear and thereafter serve as amusement. Read this over, if you don't get it.

I hope that is clear for you, as you participate in the continued proof of my "uncertified" diagnosis! :)

Don't you hate it

when I actually answer your tirades?:)

You see, you do agree you are not a certified (or otherwise) psychoanalyst.  Let me correct you once again- your *attempts* to predict my fetishes are not only failed, they also say volumes about the severity of YOUR condition, which is a complete lack of ability to hold a discussion with anyone but yourself, and to try to find psychological reasons for their "faults", because God forbid, somebody reasonable have a different view than yourself.  So no, your future in that field is no better than the future you had in the field you are currently in- a rather miserably failed one.

If you had savad and could read, you would see that I said "keep amusing yourself", not "my presence here amuses you".  Of course you sadly lack completely such comprehension skills despite your high unfounded views of yourself. I will say that my presence here has certainly *helped* inform others- by exposing how arrogant, intolerant, self congratulating, and void of any meaningful logical arguments  you are.

Not that it was difficult:)

Other points about "attack dog" politics

are on this blog.
//iranian.com/main/blog/fred/niac-lobby-b...

Note Babak's correction of the vicious and unfair accusations against him. It's only a small drop in the bucket. Frankly, the neofascists on Iranian.com, many of them on that blog and this one, are more out of touch these days than they have ever been about the Iranian people.

Fair,
Oh plenty people have granted me credentials...

But you're right, I'm may not be a certified psychoanalyst. But it seems even an "uncredited" one such as myself is able to predict your fetishes 100% correctly, what does that say about the severity of your condition? Perhaps I do have a future in that field after all?

Yes, you finally agree with my earlier statement that your presence amuses me, but it also informs others. LOL :)

Keep amusing yourself

Readers who are interested in discussion of substance have already learned to avoid your posts, as they have nothing but attacks on other people.  The depth of your ineptitude is truly amazing.

Not only you are a self proclaimed writer and teacher, you also granted yourself credentials to psychoanalyze people as well.  Would you like to grant yourself any other accolades?  Because I don't see anybody else granting you them.  A true thick skulled Don Quixote as always!

Chris Davis blog

I direct readers, interested in discussion of substance to take a look at this blog as well. It is related and offers another perspective:

//iranian.com/main/blog/chris-davis/neo-c...