زن ايراني و سكس


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زن ايراني و سكس
by Red Wine
03-Mar-2009
 

چند هفته اي است كه نوشته هاي يكي از اعضاي سايت شديدا همه رو سر كار گذاشته و حسابي وقت خيلي ها رو گرفته است.

منظورم نوشته هاي پريناز خانم است. نويسنده ,هوس-رویای خیس-صیغه شدم-من جنده نیستم و بالاخره ,خیانت کردم.

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راستش رو بخواهيد ,روزهاي اول از خواندن اين نوشته ها لذت ميبردم و خيلي خوشحال بودم كه بالاخره يك زن ايروني شجاع پيدا شده كه از مسائل مربوط به سكس كه در ايران تابو هست راحت صحبت ميكنه.به خصوص من كه از طرفداراي اين سبك نوشته ها هستم.اين نوشته ها من رو به سالهاي قديم ميبره.سالهائي كه ر اعتمادي و نويسنده هاي ديگر در مجلات جوانان ,سپيد و سياه و غيره داستان مينوشتند و من قايمكي و يواشكي انها را ميخواندم.

اخرين مطلب پريناز خانم (خیانت کردم) رو چند مرتبه خواندم و تا اندازه ائي شك پيدا كردم كه ايا واقعا نويسنده زن هست يا نه!

جهانشاه خان فرمودند كه ايشان خانم هستند.كي هستم كه به حرف ايشان شك كنم ولي...

ولي بروز اين شك برميگرده به ان تجربه ائي كه خودم با زن ايراني دارم.

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ان تجربه ائي كه من با زن ايراني دارم در برابر تجربه ائي كه من با زنان خارجي دارم,هيچ است ولي كاچي به از هيچي !

در مجموع تنها سه زن ايراني شناختم در مراحل مختلف زندگيم.

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اوليش كسي بود كه در سالهاي خيلي جواني شناختم.بين ما فقط عشق حكمران بود و از هوس فاصله زيادي داشتيم.

زماني كه تصميم گرفتيم كه به مرحله بعدي بريم,مدتي طول كشيد تا تونستيم با خودمون كنار بيائيم و سكس داشته باشيم.

البته اون كاري كه ما ميكرديم,سكس نبود,عشق بازي بود و بسيار ساده و بسيار حجب و حيا و پاك از هر گونه احساس ممنوعه ديگر!

اين داستان متاسفانه دنباله ديگري پيدا كرد كه ذكر مجدد ان لزومي ندارد.اولين تجربه سكسوال من ساده بود و هيچ وقت نشد كه از او بپرسم كه ايا او هم مثل من از ان عشق بازيها لذت ميبرده است يا نه!

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خانم (ش) رو در زو يورك (نيويورك قديم!) شناختم.اصليت كرماني داشت و چشماش سبز و موهاي قشنگش,من رو هميشه به ياد مونيكا بلوچي ميندازه.


با (ش) جريان فرق ميكرد.من ديگه حسابي توي زندگي و پيچ و خم هاي عجيبش كار كشته شده شده بودم. فقط ميخواست كه باهاش روراست باشم,حتي توي سكس!

(ش) خيلي شر بود و شيطون ! از اونهائي بود كه من خيلي با بودنش ,لحظه هاي خيلي قشنگي داشتم.

با عشق بازي موافق نبود,با سكس خشك و بكن بكن مدل خرگوشي هم ميانه خوبي نداشت!

ازش ميخواستم كه توي روابط فيزيكي و شيميائي كه با من داره,ازاد باشه و دموكرات!

براي پيشرفت و موفقيت به اروپا رفتم ولي هنوز با (ش) در ارتباط هستم.

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اخرين زن ايراني كه شناختم، مقيم يكي از كشورهاي اسكانديناوي بود.

از اون خانمهاي سوپر مدرن و تربيت شده بود كه اگر فارسي حرف نميزد ،شك ميكردي كه ايشان ايراني هستند.

امده بود پاريس كه بمونه ولي اخرش طاقت لطافت پاريس رو نداشت و با رومانتيك بودن انگاري دشمني ديرين داشت و سيمبليسم تابلوهاي اتاق خواب من رو مسخره ميكرد.

عجيب بود كه شديدا جذب او ميشدم.مخصوصا وقتي كه در بحث سياسي هميشه چبكار بودو منهم ذاتا راست رو!

از اهنگهاي قشنگ رضا معين بيزار بود ولي سر سكس كه ميشد، ابائي از گفتن حرفاي عاشقونه نداشت.

سكس اورال رو مقدم بر هر حركت سكسوال ديگر ميدونست.علنا ميخواست كه ارضاش كنم،مثل پليس سر چهار راه ،فرمون ميداد...

دوران خوبي باهم داشتيم.حيف كه او متولد دي بود و من زاده خرداد!

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اين تجربيات من اصلا با اوني كه پريناز خانم تعريف ميكنه,جور نميشه!

نميدونم اين شك و شبهه من دقيقا از كجا سرچشمه ميگيره.فقط ميدونم كه نوشته هاي ايشان رو به عنوان داستان ساده ميتونم قبول كنم ولي در زندگي واقعي نه!

شايد تجربه زيادي نداشته باشم ولي زن ايراني رو نميونم اينطور تصور كنم.

اشكال كار من كجاست؟ ايا مردها و زنهاي ديگر ايراني هستند كه مثل من فكر ميكنند يا خير؟!

عزت زياد.


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Ms. Sabety:

I am usually WAY OFF - you are too gracious to simply call it 'a bit'. :)

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Who hates sex?

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Red Wine Jan, first of all, thank you for writing this blog. We need more. Or should I say, I would like more. There's a certain beauty and mystery surrounding sex that is always fascinating. Ok, let's call it tantalizing. Why not? Who hates sex?

There is no doubt in my mind that Samii's writings are either true or close to the truth. In her first story, "Havas", why should we doubt that a woman should miss her lover and pleasure herself to compensate? Why should there be any doubt that women have wet dreams? Or that she would cheat on her husband? Or become a sigheh for a day?

To me the details in Samii's stories are besides the point. The fact remains that women in general, including Iranians, can and do have a much more diverse and colorful sexual life than we (men) think or expect. Men, especially Iranian men, usually don't like women to have multiple or exotic sexual relations. We are quick to lable them as "kharab" and whores. Perhaps that's why women tend to keep quiet about their experiences -- and even pay a ton of money to sow their hymen when marital opportunity knocks.

Women love and enjoy and expect sexual pleasure just as men do. Unlike men, they don't hit the sack at any given opportunity and are more discriminating in their choice of partners. But sex is just as important to them as men.

I would have loved if you had gone into more detail about your own experiences. One liners are painfully unsatisfactory!

I'll write something too. I promise :o)

Thanks again. You're a good man.


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Anyway, what goes on in friendly discussions amongst friends isn’t a representation of Iranian society and doesn’t change my point: the stuff isn’t talked about in public settings. When it is, often times the writers aren’t even women or the stories revolve around very stereotypical views of women (angel, victim with low self esteem or devil).

Now if you would just write a few articles about these things you’ve heard, that might shed light on who we are. I've already done my part :)

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I am not sure if Parinaz's stories are fact or fiction, or a combination of both, the fact remains that they do happen. In fact when she wrote it, I could think of a few people.

People like to deny them, because they like to construct an imaginery world where things are supposed to be a certain way. No adultery happens, no gay sex happens, every man knows how to satisfy women, and the world is in perfect harmony! Yeah , right!

Perhaps you don't hang out with a wide array of people, or certain types don't wannna hang out with you, but I know some of my aquaintances, and classmates who've done it.

So you can bury your head in sand all you want, but the reality is some women do it. I know what they look like, some are pretty, some average looking, some middle-aged, some young, some poor and some rich. I believe they are a minority, but they are out there, and it happens for a variety of reasons.


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‫تبلیغ سیب زمینی سرخکرده های مک−کین تو تلویزیون فرانسه که در نظرت هست عزیز؟ − هر کی بیشتر میخوره، کمتر حرف میزنه.

اضافه کنم که نوشنه هایه شما از یک طراوت خاصی ‫برخوردارند و شخصاً من از خواندنشان لذت میبرم.


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In public settings, Iranian women choose to remain silent about this subject. Contrasting your memories to an article is fun to read but can’t be taken seriously in terms of the validity of Parinaz’s stories. The Iranian woman’s true identity is a mystery. There are bits and pieces of it revealed here and there. But for the most part, it seems we are letting men do the talking for this subject. Of course, many have no problem judging anyone who comes forward or talking about values. But we still keep what we do a secret from everyone else. So, there’s not enough info here. And 3 test cases are not sufficient to build a prototype :) But good for you, noosheh joonet.

 


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رد واین جان

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رد واین جان عرضم به حضور انور عالی‌ که چرا تجربه شما مثل پریناز خانوم نیست؟ والله امثال پریناز خانوم کم هستند. ایرونی‌ خارجیش فرق نمیکنه. زن زنه. پریناز خانوم نوعی نه تنها کارشون درسته و کمیابن بلکه نویسنده هم هستند.

والا بابام جان دروغ چرا، من فقط یک تجربه کوتاه با یک نفر به اسم (س) داشتم ولی‌ خوب کوتاه بود و بیشتر هم انتظار نمیرفت.

نویسندگی ربطی به سکس داشتن نداره. ۲ تا موضوع جدا گانن. (س) نویسنده نبود ولی‌ پنداری عینه پرینازه.


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