Can You Help Me Understand the Nuclear Issue?

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Can You Help Me Understand the Nuclear Issue?
by rosie is roxy is roshan
18-Feb-2009
 

Well I've reached a point in my life where I'd rather look stupid than be stupid, after a half century "schlepping" this body around with me. I initially kept my nose out of the nuclear discussions because my understanding was that Iran was not in violation of United Nations regulations for development of nuclear power for peaceful means,. It was also my understanding that the development of nuclear weapons technology was the same as that for energy only it required much MORE of same. And that it really couldn't be PROVEN what the end goal was.  For me international law is the only hope for the future, so if Iran was in compliance, shut up, case closed.  The last part I don't really want to debate, it's ideological and also a matter of personal conviction, but if I'm wrong about any of the rest of it, please explain why.

Anyhow, I also stayed out of the nuclear issue because I have a profound repugnance toward nuclear energy. When I think nuclear I think Chernobyl and I think all the near-accidents there have actually been with the bombs themselves which friends from the nuclear freeze movement told me about. And as you probably know I like to take the evolutionary long view, and I think solar si nuclear no. Even if it's a question of centuries. And I don't really want to DEBATE that unless you absolutely KNOW something about WHY the infinite source of all life, now relatively close to us, could NEVER be harnessed for intensive energy purposes. EVER. I mean, not in a thousand years...

My question then is that I think that at some point the UN changed its mind and decided that Iran was somehow not in compliance. And I got a sense that this was possibly politically motivated b.s. strong-armed by the US.  It might've happened while I was in the hospital last year or it might've just happened while I was ignoring the whole thing. In either case, am I wrong about any of this and if so how? And if I'm right, how did it happen?

Obviously the damn issue hasn't gone away, it's gotten worse and seems to be THE focal point and both major bargaining chip and obstacle for the entire geopolitical "scene". So I guess it's time for me to stop being so stoopid but my normally nimble googlefingers didn't know where to start, it's so huge.

 So I figured why not bother you? So...where are we now on the compliance issue and how did we get there and why? 

Could you please help me out? Thanks a million.

Rosie

PS Please don't fight;;;at least not too much.  ;oP

 

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rosie is roxy is roshan

Another thing is of course I know the whole story about the

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Thu Feb 19, 2009 06:22 AM PST

wipe off the map/pages of time thing, but I don't know if that was the first threatening statement made. Hadn't Israel and Iran both been threatening each other for years? Also of course I know Iran supplies Hezbollah and Hamas but the chances of Iran bombing Israel directly especially with a nuclear bomb are virtually nil. Why would they do that/ They know perfectly well that they are the ones who would be wiped off the map.

My understanding is that Iran's nuclear program is for energy purposes, and even if they werre to make a nuclear bomb it would be for purely defensive reasons. Ahmadinejad (if in fact he was ever serious about the threats) has little power and Khamenei is not crazy.

Another purpose of the whole nuclar program I believe is to rally people at home (most of them are very proud of it) and to establis respect for them in the region and make a BALANCE of power.Any country having nuclear energy always implies a POTENTIAL to make a bomb.

So again, my real question is the COMPLIANCE issue. On what grounds did the UN decide that they weren't COMPLIANT?


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rosie is roxy is roshan

All of this is fine, except the question is about COMPLIANCE,

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Thu Feb 19, 2009 03:11 AM PST

when and why did the UN decide that they weren't COMPLIANT and what specific reasons did they give?

I don't remember anyone saying the UN atomic energy commission (IAEI?) came out with a statement that Iran could not have nuclear energy becaise they had made specific threats and/orr that it was part of the iregulations that "a country which makes a specific threat to another country..etc. et..cannot develop nuclear enrgy for peaceful means." I remember then first saying yes they're compliant and the US saying no they're not (just ike Iraq) and then I remember the UN saying no they're not.

I may be WRONG.

I also don't remember how much Ahmadinejad had been threatening Israel and for how long while the UN was still saying they wee compliant.


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I stay away from anything that’s nuclear;

by Multiple Personality Disorder on Wed Feb 18, 2009 09:50 PM PST

it’s very contaminating.


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It's just bullsh*t. Iran just wants to expand its power.

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Wed Feb 18, 2009 08:50 PM PST

Like all nations. Iran has never attacked anyone. Instead, it has been attacked and is under threat again.

Also, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a clumsy politician who I normally would enjoy watching be ridiculed for being a jackass, except when it means he takes everyone else (innocents) down with him.  


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Nuclear Fear

by DW Duke on Wed Feb 18, 2009 07:49 PM PST

Rosie:

The concern is fairly simple.  Iran has shown herself through her leaders to be unstable.  In a nation where leaders threaten other nations and the threat is sufficiently serious that it must be taken seriously then that nation is unstable.  China is involved in human rights violations to which Iran probably pales in comparison.  The same is true for North Korea, but because China and North Korea do not make threats against other nations, they are not considered a threat as serious as Iran.  The bottom line is that Iran has incompetent leadership.  Where there is incompetent leadership there is a lack or reliability which precludes nuclear development in the international scheme of things.  Get rid of the jack ass and his monkey then Iran can develop all the nuclear power she desires.  :)    


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