A Bewildered Conscience Blindly Groping for Clarity : Dissent is the Only Response to Manufactured Realities
Fiery debate on Al-Jazeera's Inside Iraq between veteran journalist and author Robert Fisk and Brad Blakeman, former member of President George W. Bush's Senior Staff...
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IRANdokht
by programmer craig on Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:15 AM PDTThere are other ways to get rid of IRI regime, but to invite foreign
military occupation and wish death and destruction on Iran is
not something an Iranian would or should do!
This is the biggest problem with you. You pretend that you wish to be rid of the IRUI, but that is not reflected in your commentary. Your purpose here seems to be watering down criticism of the IRI, while at the same time going over-the-top with criticism of the US. Like this, for example:
Didn't they rape and kill enough in Iraq for us to know "war" is not the answer?
Who does that, IRANdokht? What Iranians defend the IRI and attack teh West?
Have
they exhausted all the peaceful options before advocating for the
bombing of my country?
How many "peaceful options" have you suggested? How can people like you be defeated, ideologically? Tell them. I'm sure they want to know :)
of course I am serious!
by IRANdokht on Wed Aug 27, 2008 07:31 AM PDTI DO NOT wish military attack on Iran!
There are other ways to get rid of IRI regime, but to invite foreign military occupation and wish death and destruction on Iran is not something an Iranian would or should do! Didn't they rape and kill enough in Iraq for us to know "war" is not the answer?
I want to know if these people who are so fed up with IRI that they are volunteering Iran and her resources as a gift to America have even tried to support the human rights groups that are active in Iran? Have they exhausted all the peaceful options before advocating for the bombing of my country?
Our choices are not either IRI or US military occupation!! You bet I am serious!
IRANdokht
IRANdokht You can not be serious!
by Hamvatan (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 09:17 PM PDT"Iran's oil belongs to Iranians, and you as mighty as you believe you are, do not have the authority (permission) to give it away."
Oh does it really belong to the Iranians? What have the Iranians done with this oil the past 30 years? Does the IRI have the permission to do what its doing to this oil the "belongs to Iranians"?
Get real.
Parthian
by IRANdokht on Tue Aug 26, 2008 09:09 PM PDTIt must be so cozy and convenient for you to sit here and wish military attack on Iranians.
Iran's oil belongs to Iranians, and you as mighty as you believe you are, do not have the authority (permission) to give it away.
IRANdokht
I thought you leftist..
by Parthian on Tue Aug 26, 2008 08:58 PM PDTI thought you leftist and islamists were very concerned about the humanity, and have huge disdain for free market, capitalism, materialism. Why are you so concerned about oil? It is at the end of the day just money.
I rather lose all Iran's oil, and not lose one more Iranian teenager to execution. If the price of freedom is to give Iran's oil away (it is been nothing but a curse anyway), I would rather give 10 times of that away, than seeing that money go into the pocket of bunch of degenerate 7th century, arab loving thugs and their cronies on this website. I bet Americans would treat Iranians much better than the mullahs.
Majid that was priceless!
by sadegh on Tue Aug 26, 2008 05:20 PM PDTMajid that was priceless! LOL
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
IRANdokt
by Majid on Tue Aug 26, 2008 05:13 PM PDTSometimes arguing with some programmed people is like wrestling with a pig in the mud!
After a while you realize that the sun of a gun is enjoying it!
And
by programmer craig on Tue Aug 26, 2008 04:33 PM PDTNotice how this IRI puppet Sadegh jumps in to praise you? He only confirms the charges I made about your agenda on this website, IRANdokht.
Iraq is sitting on an
by programmer craig on Tue Aug 26, 2008 04:31 PM PDTIraq is sitting on an estimated 115 billion barrels, do people in "your line of work" know how to do math?
Do you know how to do basic reasoning? lol. OK take a look at how much oil Iraq is exporting now, how much oil it can export at maximum capacity, how much of that oil goes to American companies, what the rate of those sales is relative to the rate other companies pay, and how much of that profit goes back into the US treasury. Then total up the atronomical cost of the Iraq war up to this date and calculate how many years it will take before the US government breaks even.
Feel free to submit your answer for peer review here.
This is the last time I have addressed your accusations. Please go read a little before you embarrass yourself even more.
There is no amount of reading that a person can do to compensate for inadequate native intelligence, which seems to be one of the issues you are struggling with. Your commenst here are pretty good evidence of what happens when people read a lot but understand only a little.
Well done IranDokht
by sadegh on Tue Aug 26, 2008 04:27 PM PDTWell done IranDokht jan...it is truly a waste of time debating the likes of PG which you know better than anyone...your considerable intelligence, skill and compassion are needed elsewhere and will always be greeted with open arms as opposed to hollow, factually baseless accusations cum "analysis"...
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
CRAIG
by IRANdokht on Tue Aug 26, 2008 03:37 PM PDTI was going to ignore your comments but since you're insisting to accuse me of nonsense, I had to respond this once. But do not make a habit of it, because responding to you has proven to be just a waste of time.
you are saying that the Oil revenue of Iraq will not be enough for you! Why don't you go educate yourself before you come and start spreading nonsense? Iraq is sitting on an estimated 115 billion barrels, do people in "your line of work" know how to do math?
Unlike you, I have always been reading and commenting on a number of different topics. I don't see you comment on any human rights issues, arts, literature, etc... Actually I don't see you comment on anything that does not serve your purpose on this website.
This is the last time I have addressed your accusations. Please go read a little before you embarrass yourself even more.
IRANdokht
PS IRANdokht
by programmer craig on Tue Aug 26, 2008 03:27 PM PDTYou are constantly watering down peoples justifiable harsh criticism of the Islamic Republic while misrepresnting your own position by replacing that harsh critcicism with very mild (and acceptable) criticism. At the same time, you turn the average American's mild criticism of their own government into over the top and outrageous claims, like the one in this thread where you implied the US isn't even a democracy. You really think nobody can see what you are up to? lol.
IARNdokht
by programmer craig on Tue Aug 26, 2008 03:21 PM PDTAs much as we don't like them, they're not dumb idiots, they're
actually very calculating and politically savvy to be able to endure
and rule a country of 70 millions despite all the negative feelings
inside the country and out!
If you dislike the IRI so much, why is it that the only threads you ever comment on are the ones that are dedicated to protecting teh IRI from criticism?
I don't think what you are afraid that might happen is even a concern
because US is not going to set Iraq and Iraqians free until it has
enough contracts and share of the oil resources to cover the expenses
they had for this war and make up for their losses.
For one thing, that can never happen. We will never be able to get enough oil from Iraq to pay for what this war has cost. For another thing, the US is does not have any exclusive rights to Iraqi oil contracts, which you would know if you bothered to check the facts ratehr tahn just repeating something you read on a propaganda website. Which takes us full circle back to your claim that you "dislike" the IRI.If you dislike teh IRI so much, why do you invest so much time and energy into promoting the IRI's propaganda? As we say in my industry: Does not compute.
Iraq's situation
by IRANdokht on Tue Aug 26, 2008 02:36 PM PDTDear kurdish warrior
I am sure that you know the IRI is not stupid, they're actually very concerned for their own existance and a neighbor in civil war will not be in their best interest. As much as we don't like them, they're not dumb idiots, they're actually very calculating and politically savvy to be able to endure and rule a country of 70 millions despite all the negative feelings inside the country and out!
I don't think what you are afraid that might happen is even a concern because US is not going to set Iraq and Iraqians free until it has enough contracts and share of the oil resources to cover the expenses they had for this war and make up for their losses.
As long as Kirkuk has oil, US will be there to "protect" it.
IRANdokht
Irandokht
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 01:43 PM PDTI totally agree with you that Iraqi needed help, and that amount of casualties was high,,,But to be realistic, war comes with these tragedies....However from positive POV Iraqis are safe from dictator who massacred and gassed his own citizens. The amount of people who lost their life can't be compared with today’s situation...Nobody agree with foreign occupation but we need to understand the real issue on the ground. The moment USA leaves Iraq there would be vacuum for Iran and Al Qaeda to step in...not to mention civil war specially over Kirkuk...We need to remember that if Iraqis had some sense of Iraqi nationalism rather than religious, Iraq would've recovered much sooner than what it is going on right now..
That was good - he was just
by sadegh on Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:12 PM PDTThat was good - he was just lost for words...it was also interesting to see Blakeman can't even take a compliment graciously...
Ba Arezu-ye Movafghiat, Sadegh
Sadegh jan
by IRANdokht on Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:54 AM PDTI loved Fisk's answer to "You're Ben Ladin's favorite journalist" too. That shut Blakeman up again. The guy has no substance and repeats the whole GWB propaganda like a trained parrot.
I was watching the democratic convention last night and I realized again how beautiful this country and its people are without the fear, hate and warmongering.
Kurdish warrior: People of Iraq needed help, not being massacred and taken advantage of. A long term occupation is not going to be the same style as in Germany or Japan. Lets be real!
Observer: thanks for the bit of trivia! that was funny!
IRANdokht
Thanks IranDokht jan...yes,
by sadegh on Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:42 AM PDTThanks IranDokht jan...yes, Blakeman is incredibly annoying - he's such a cliche - "you're bin Laden's favorite journalist" - this is the level of discourse the Bush admin and its cronies are at - extremely depressing - and like clockwork he invokes Munich and Chamberlain - it was a "cat caught your tongue" moment when Fisk replied that Roosevelt chose the comfort of neutrality until Pearl Harbor...Blakeman and the Bush admin's whole nonsensical idea of appeasement is not only historically ignorant i.e. comparing Hitler's Germany to a tinpot third world dictator whose country had been ravaged by 13 years of sanctions (not to mention one time major US ally) - it's just propaganda...Nasser was "Hitler", Mossadegh was "Hitler", Allende was "Hitler", Saddam was "Hitler", Ahmadinejad is "Hitler" and today Putin is being villified as yet another "Hitler"...today it seems that anyone who dares to contravene US interests is "Hitler" incarnate...
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
Point of Interest
by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:16 AM PDTDid you know that Blakeman is suing a movie production company over the new movie "swing vote"? he claims that the movie was his idea...
And yes, he is very annoying....and plastic...
Iraq
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:13 AM PDTMajority of Iraqis (Shia Arabs and Kurds)was glad that USA helped to topple the bathist regime...Iraq is very complex case...Obviously bathist gone, Sunni Arabs feel left out so they are totally against the USA military presence in Iraq...Shia Arabs can't be trusted as they have their own political fight within themselves and keep shifting between Iran and USA...Iraqi Kurds are USA allies and the other Iraqis should learn from them...That region (Northern Iraq) is on its path to democracy and economically is booming...Aljazeera channel has always had negative view on USA...So is frisk...Frisk says that USA military presence was a tragedy for people of Iraq??? Obviously he hasn't visited the whole Iraq...Iraq is far from democracy but slowly and surly will get there...It is now up to Iraqi Arab Shia and Arab Sunni to put their act together and start building their country so that USA would have no reason or saying in the matter of occupation..
thanks Sadegh jan
by IRANdokht on Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:15 AM PDTThis debate would have been very entertaining if Blakeman was not so annoying...
He was rude to Fisk and made absolutely no sense. Everyone in the world knows that US government is not representing the American people and how rigged the elections were the two times these guys won it.
I was impressed with the host. He kept his cool and tried to be unbiased.
Thanks for the video clips.
IRANdokht