For an Islamic Democracy

اسلام

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Delay tactics, combined with non-readings!

What's with permenant postponing of a little debate? There is no time more approperiate than NOW.

As far as the parameters of this debate and categories involved in it, it looks as if you haven't troubled yourself to even take a single look at that significant book by Prof. Shayegan. All the queries  you have brought up are amply answered and discussed in there. So if you are committed to an informed, civil discussion, please read the book first, or at least familiarize yourself with it major themes, before fielding queries.

As far as my favourite topic of discussion is concerned, as much of a book warm as I am, OVERTHROWING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF HELL, and sending it to the Dustbib of History is the ultimate favourite topic for me (and I have a feeling I'm not the only one in here with that preference). Slowly but surely, that topic is also coming up. Cheers

u got it, Sir

next time, we will have a civil discussion on Islam and the west. we just need to specify what period, a little bit of a long history is involved?? and of course which west??

Americans or European?? again history kicks in here!! we have to start from very beginning, Roman empire and their battles with Islam, then we get to ottamn empire and the west's struggle with them, then ...................all the way to 9/11!! is this your favorite topic??

Sure, will do

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Cultural Schizophrenia: Islam's reaction to West. That is the

issue.

And it wasn't argued by me either. It's an extended argument put forth by Prof. Daryush Shayegan.

See a few comments below for more details. Happy reading.

سوال شما چی هست، زندانی؟ بلاگ بعدی شازده جواب خواهم داد

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Stop the blame game, and just answer the question, if you have

Any coherent response. You probably don't have any coherent response, that's why you keep avioiding the  questions and the issue.

As far as bringing religion into 'debate' it is your bosses of IR that have violently enforced religion into every single aspect of people's lives, without their conset, against thier will, and always through most brute force of violence and worse.

And all of a sudden when scholars point out that Muslims have a Schizophrenia issue, it's an insult?

The only insult here, is how all you Islam apologists continuosly insult our collective intelligence, and think you could get away with it.

People are dying of neglect, corruption and pure incompetence, and all you're asking folks to do is to recite some words in Arabic, and everything will be O.K. If that's not full grown Schizophrenia, please tell us what is.

no, it is u guys

in every matter, politics arts foods and now here earthquake!!, u guys are the ones bringing  religion in and start disrespecting people's values.

let me first thank Mr Gilani for his true remark on 'muslim pretenders'. indeed, i m one!! however, if the name does not come up then I would not have to pretend!!

since I ve registered with this site, Jan 2012, I ve seen hundred and hundred of anti-islam blogs, almost every one of them would eventually end up in that route!!

I have no problem u guys call Khomeni, Ahmadi........ every name in the book, but dont bring in people's believes and in my case 'pretending believes' as odd as that would be!!

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Prof. Daryush Shayegan on: Muslims and Schizophrenia,

It amazing but true: our resident Islam apologist don't have a single word to say on a major book, by Prof. Shayegan.

Now,  isn't it worth noting that how all these different avatars (which most probably in reality are only one or two real persons, max) spend 24/7, propagandizing their "faith" in here, but when it comes to a major analysis of their "mode of thought," they're compeletly mute and silent.

As that old saying goes silence is a form on consent.

Meaning that Muslim do indeed believe deep down that they have some serious Schizophrenia issues.

Or, all such discussion is way above their little brains and they don't understand any of it?

Which one is it, boys and girls, speak up?

No Nobel prizes for our dear Doctor Mohandes.

for stating the obvious and telling only a quarter (at most!) of the story. The nobel prize for providing "free of charge cyber entertainment" goes  to "attention seeking pseudoname anonymous", operating from the cyber based Islamic republic of velayate Zereshk! 

Macy's US Inc. Prophecy!

"These "muslim pretenders" have caused the biggest harm to islam
and muslims. We know it, they themselves know it, and the only real
muslim on this blog, "Salman farsi", the author of this blog,  knows it
too!"

With all the due respect Your Holliness! There is no point of debating the 'Ignorants!' No point at all!

"No more replies will be posted" :)

Looks like our resident west residing bacheh ayatollah, having put his foot in it again  is running away from the debate cursing and name calling the opposing view to his/hers!

For the records. I have no problems with the real muslims. Just as I dont have any problem with Jews, Christians bahaii's, Budahis....

My problem is with the "muslim pretenders",Who are using Muslims and their religion to defend a system of Corruption, Theft. Rape, murder, called "velayate faghih", which has been ruling our land for the past 34 years. These "muslim pretenders" have caused the biggest harm to islam and muslims. We know it, they themselves know it, and the only real muslim on this blog, "Salman farsi", the author of this blog,  knows it too!

keep on speculating

if u dont go broke like what happened to banks, u may become the first noble winner of artificial intelligence!!

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United in spirits?

I have a hunch that the pseudonames mamoor and mazoor...oh i meant demo are two names for one person.

Now give me the damn Nobel for my brilliant discovery :)

برادر سلمان فارسی

آیا شما نسبتی با آل قاجار دارید؟بلاگ با نمک و با حالی است!!
تشکر

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Cultural Schizophrenia: Islamic Societies Confronting the West

Islamic Societies Confronting the West

Dinasaur ...

How about Aisheh, was that also for protection?  Is that why the "Pedophile" had to consumate the marriage when Aiesheh was only 9 years old?  This bedouine savage was lucky he didn't live now, he'd go to State Penitentary for 25 to life for child molestation and rape.

Demo, what hatred are you refering to?  Just because someone is stating the facts about the Pedophile Tazi, doesn't mean he hates his followers, may be "Zendanian" just feels sorry for you and the other pathetic brainwashed followers of this cynical, devious man and he wants to bring you back to the rituos path by informing you and and setting your mind free.

Payandeh Iran, our Ahuraie Fatherland

Monarchy in Iran vs Islam in Iran

As the 2 commentators below are both known with their anti-any-religions 'jigh o dudd,' they just better remind themselves of type of monarchy that we had in Iran for so long & compare it with what the real monarchy should suppose to be. The same thing is true about Akhoondism. That has nothing to do with Islam. And as for the child molestation charges against that particular messanger, there are about 1.5 billions Muslims in the world who do not believe in those charges. The Iranians of Islamic faith (if for real!) constitute only a very tiny fraction of such massive 'deceived' population!

No more replies will be posted. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. 

"not for sensual reasons, but for protection "!!!!!

A shining example of islamic Logic and sharia Law! (in defence of Prophet Mohamamd's sex with under age children)

Please, if not for Mohammad and Allah's sake, at least for the sake of your green cards, and avoidance of a long term jail sentence,  dont you ever use this  as your  defence in a child molestation case in your western country of residence! 

outa here! 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Islam in Iran the Most Compelete Embodiment of Hate

From burning Iranians who would not convert in fire,

to stoning to death of all acussed of "crimes " in Islamic Republic of Hell, Islam in Iran has shown over and over agin how much hate and violence it has in store for all of us.

It's interesting that most shamefull apologists of this sham 'faith'  can not dismiss or dispute the fact of a 50 year old man 'marrying' a 9 year old girl.

Of course other than Dinasours no one else could argue in favour of a 50 year old dinasour raping a 9 year old girl. But that only demonstrate the caliber and character of your hate filled, violentm anti-humanist faith.

Shame on all you child molesters, and child molesters apologists.

Exposing the historical lies and distortions of a faith, is 100% in line with toleration. It has been muslims that have violently killed and tried to physically destroy anyone who exposes thier tru nature.

Salman Rushdi was just the most famouse example.

Self Soothing Remarks!

of Inmates till eternity will not bring them either any comfort or any freedom if they are filled with so much hatred in their hearts against others! Pathetic!

PS: Thanks Dainsur for your comment & for your understandings. Hope all the accusers of Mohammed with molestation could read that part of your comment when you noted: " because His Holiness Muhammad married most women not for sensual reasons, but for protection and there was also the traditions of time and place that ruled over those days." GOD bless you and all members of your family. 

TOLERANCE,TOLERANCE PLEASE!

The blog brother Salman posted was on earthquake and was diverted into a different issue, lets have some tolerance and respect for each other's ideas!I also read on the other blog that lots of people signed to approve getting help from NIAC for the people who are suffering from the eathquake in eastern Azerbayjan, even FA wrote something that impressed me greatly that shows about his noble character,You see, when there is an adversity among people, people are united and try to help each other, Imagine if there is a catastrophe in a world scale,it might bring the whole humanity together. I also am impressed by the knowledge of Zendanian on Koranic Issues though I disagree on some points, because His Holiness Muhammad married most women not for sensual reasons, but for protection and there was also the traditions of time and place that ruled over those days.I wonder what will happen if for some reason the number of women gets trice as men the the world!

قران و زنان "حضرت" محمد

قران کتابی که همه دوران ها و زمان ها را شامل می شود واز آن بعنوان معجزه ابدی و ازلی یاد می شود . در ایات بسیاری بعنوان کارگزار روابط عمومی حضرت محمد عمل می کند:

1 - حضرت محمد بیش از ۴ زن عقدی میتواند داشته باشد. (قران .آیه ۵۰ سوره احزاب)

2 - حضرت محمد میتواند هر زن مومنه ای که خود را بدون مهریه و شهود به او ببخشد و حضرت محمد هم به ازدواج با او مایل باشد را بعنوان همسر بپذیرد. (قران .آیه ۵۰ سوره احزاب)
 
3 - حضرت محمد ، نوبت همخوابگی با زنانش را بهر نحوی که صلاح بداند میتواند تنظیم و یا مقدم و موخر سازد. (قران .آیه ۵۱ سوره احزاب)

4 - زنان حضرت محمد از نوبت همخوابگی  که حضرت محمد برای آنان قائل میشود، باید که محزون نباشند. (قران .آیه ۵۱ سوره احزاب)

5 - پس از وفات حضرت محمد، کسی نمی تواند با زنان حضرت محمد ازدواج نماید . (قران .آیه ۵۳ سوره احزاب)

8 - حضرت محمد، نسبت به سایر مومنان برتری خواهد داشت. (قران .آیه ۶ سوره احزاب)

11 - حضرت محمد از رعایت عدالت و شناختن حق تساوی برای زنان خود معاف است. (قران .آیه ۵۱ سوره احزاب)

12 - زنان حضرت محمد، از انچه به ایشان عطاء می شود ( نفقه ) باید همه خشنود باشند. (قران .آیه ۵۱ سوره احزاب)

13 - هرگاه کسی از زنان حضرت محمد متاعی می طلبد باید که از پشت پرده با آنان صحبت کنند. (قران .آیه ۵۳ سوره احزاب)

به لیست زنان و فرزندان حضرت محمد (ص) توجه فرمائید:
- حضرت خدیجه (کلیک) دختر خویلد بانوی متشخص و متمکنی که سومین شوهر او حضرت محمد بود.

فرزندان:
4 دختر به نامهای : زینب و رقیه و ام کلسوم و فاطمه
 2 پسر به نامهای : قاسم و طاهر که زنده نماندند.
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سوده (کلیک) از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر زمعه و بیوه سکران بن عمرو که از مسلمانان حبشه بود

- عایشه (کلیک) از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر ابوبکر صدیق که در 7 سالگی نامزد شد و در 9 سالگی به زوجیت پیامبر درآمد.

4- ماریه قبطیه (کلیک) از زنان حضرت محمد ، که از مصر برای حضرت محمد هدیه فرستاده بودند.
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حفصه (کلیک) از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر عمر بن الخطاب که پس از بیوه گی به حرمسرای محمد منتقل شد

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8- ام حبیبه از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر ابو سفیان وخواهر معاویه و بیوه عبداله بن جحش که در حبشه مرده بود.

9- صفیه (کلیک) از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر حی بن اخطب (یهودی) و زن کنانه بن ربیع که از روسای خیبر بود.

12- هند از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر یزید .

13- اسماء از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر سیاء .

14- زینب از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر یزید .

16- اسماء از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر نعمان .

18- ام سلمه از زنان حضرت محمد ، دختر بنی امیه که بیوه یک مرد مسلمان بود که در جنگ احد کشته شد.

19- ریحانه از زنان حضرت محمد ، که از اسرای بنی قریظه و سهم پیامبر از غنایم بود.

20- ام شریک از زنان حضرت محمد ، دوسیه او یکی از 4 زنی است که خود را به پیامبر بخشیده بود.(هبه کرده بود)

آیا "حضرت" محمد معصوم (عاری از گناه و اشتباه ) بوده است؟

خیر. برای اثبات این موضوع که حضرت محمد معصوم و عاری از گناه نبوده دلایل متعددی وجود دارد که از آن جمله می توان به این نکات در قرآن  اشاره نمود:
- ای رسول ما صبر کن وعده خدا حق است و بر گناه خود از خدا آمرزش طلب کن و صبح و شام به ذکر و ستایش خدای خود بپرداز .( قرآن .سوره مومن .آیه 55) 

2 - تا از گناه گذشته و آینده تو(محمد) در گذریم و نعمت خود را بر تو به حد کمال برسانیم و تورا به راه راست هدایت کنیم . (قرآن . سوره فتح . آیه 2)

3 - در آيات اولية سوره عبس، الله ، حضرت محمد را به خاطر روي گرداني از فردي نابينا ( عبدالله ابن امّ مکتوم ) مورد  سرزنش قرار داده و اين نشان مي دهد که حضرت محمد معصوم نبوده است بلکه در بعضي از مواقع گناهي انجام مي داد که مورد  سرزنش الله قرارمي گرفت:

عبوس و ترشرو گشت چون آنمرد نابینا به حضورش امد و تو چه می دانی شاید او مردی پارسا و پاکیزه صفت باشد اما انکه داراست ای رسول تو به او توجه کنی . اما انکس که به سوی تو می شتابد و او مرد خدا ترس و با تقوایی است تو  از توجه به او خودداری می کنی. (قرآن . سوره عبس . آیه 1-10)

4 - در آیه 98 سوره نحل الله صراحتا به حضرت محمد گوشزد می کند که از شر و وسوسه شیطان در امان نیست چرا که می دانیم معصوم کسی که شیطان توان نفوذ در وی را ندارد:

چون خواهی تلاوت قران کنی اول از شر وسوسه شیطان مردود به خدا پناه ببر. ( قرآن . سوره نخل . آیه 98) 

5 - ای رسول گرامی آیا ما تورا شرح صدر عطا نکردیم.و بارسنگین گناه را از تو دور داشتیم در حالیکه ان بار سنگین گناه ممکن بودپشت تو را گران دارد. (قرآن .سوره الانشراح .آیه 1-3 )  

6 - در سوره یونس الله اشاره به شک و دودلی حضرت محمد  به حقانیت قرآن کرده و می گوید:

پس هرگاه شک و ریبی از انچه به تو فرستادیم در دل داری از پیشینیان خود و علما اهل کتاب بپرس که همانا این کتابی از جانب خدای تو امد و ابدا در حقانیت ان نباید شک و دودلی به خود راه دهی.و نباید هرگز از آنان که تکذیب آیات خدا کنند باشی که از زیانکاران عالم خواهی شد. ( قرآن . سوره یونس . آیه 94)  

7 - در سوره انعام  الله به حضرت محمد تذکر می دهد که  نبايد براى جلب نظر مشركان، مؤمنان را از خود طرد كند :

و کسانى را که صبح و شام خدا را مى خوانند، و جز ذات پاک او نظرى ندارند، از خود دور مکن . نه چیزى از حساب آنها بر توست، و نه چیزى از حساب تو بر آنها  اگر آنها را طرد کنى، از ستمگران خواهى بود. ( قرآن . سوره انعام .

همانطور که ملاحظه کردید، حضرت محمد بارها توسط الله مورد سرزنش قرار گرفته است ، لذا باید گفت حضرت محمد معصوم (عاری از اشتباه و گناه) نبوده است.

تناقضات موجود در قران

تناقضات موجود در قران بحدی متنوع و وسیع است که بلافاصله ذهن را شگفت زده خواهد کرد.ازاین جمله تناقضات می توان فقط برای نمونه به موارد ذیل اشاره کرد:

ستایش بت های مهم قریش توسط حضرت محمد به غرانیق ( آیات شیطانی )

ماجرای (غرانیق) در صدر اسلام چه بوده است؟ (آیات شیطانی) 
 

ماجرای ستایش بت های مهم قریش توسط حضرت  محمد  به غرانیق ( آیات شیطانی ) شهرت دارد. بر این اساس که

 در لحظات نا امیدی وقتی حضرت  محمد  آیه "افرایتم اللات و العزی"یعنی: (مشرکان آیا دو بت لات و عزی را دیدید؟) را قرائت کرد به ستایش ان بت ها پرداخت و گفت : " تلک الغرانیق العلی و ان شفاعنهن لترنجی " یعنی : (آن بت ها لات وعزی بزرگ اند و همانا شفاعت انها پذیرفته است.)... انگاه حضرت  محمد  به سجده افتاد و مشرکین و کافران نیز از ستایش پیغمبر خوشنود شدند و به سجده افتادند. (تاریخ طبری.جلد 3.صفحه881-883) البته متن آیه مذکور از اکثر قرآن های موجود حذف شده است زیرا گروهی از  مسلمانان  معتقد بودند که آیه ستایش بت ها را شیطان بر زبان پیغمبر جاری ساخته است! و گروهی دیگر هم اساسا ماجرای غرانیق را انکار کردند. اما آیات متعددی مبنی بر نکوهش و پشیمانی محمد از ستایش بت هادر صدراسلام در قرآن هست که واقعه "غرانیق"را تایید می کند. (سوره حج.آیه 52و53) (سوره اسری.آیه.73و76)
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"Isalm" a hodgepodge of Judaism, Chrsitiantiy and Zoroastrianism

Put togehter by an illiterate, child molesting bedouin (by the assistance of an educated rather disgruntled Persian). There is not a single original strand in Islam, a poor stupid copy of all the religions before it.

This horse manure getting elevated to level of "spirituality' by a historically defeated people, hell bent on irrationality, destruction and, did we mention child molestation.

Tis s true working definition of Islam.

INVENTION & MOLESTATION!

The best book title that a schizophrenic prisoner could write in his/her cell before hanging himself/herself out of complete desolation!

روایت واقعی از خاستگاه "الهامیات" محمد و اختراع "اسلام"

آیات شیطانی- سلمان رشدی (ترجمه فارسی)    جلد اول- شماره ۱۰۳   

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A man in his 50's "marrying" a girl of barely ten years old:This

is called CHILD MOLESTATION, anywhere, anytime in the world.

In other words, according to civilized humanity a man in his 50's should not have a child as a "wife."

But such ethics applies only to civilized human beings. Not "Muslims."

Muslims take that man as their "prophet" and every, stupid, sham word uttered from his farce, fake, book as a 'spiritual' "revelation."

Not to mention going to a black covered square once a year, walking round and rounds around it, having many killed in the process, all and all in the spirit of "cleansing the soul."

For anyone with an open eye, all of this sounds as clinical defintion of madness. But for "muslims" it's all 'spirituality.'

People's lives are utterly destroyed due to governments, negligence and corruption, the survivors have to deal with Wolves and worse, and according to "muslims" ethics all they need is some prayer, to make things work.

How do you spell a Clinical definition of "madness?" ISLAM.