Siavash300

So What?

Mossadegh is dead - and died while under house arrest, and Reza Shah the "Great" also died in exile.

Right?

There are plenty of people who failed to apply their methods have lived happy and productives lives and have created something new that moved beyond these concerns.

Siavash Jan

Dr Mossadegh was not devious enough and messed up. If he were a real politician he would have pulled the wool over the Brits head :-) 

We got a long way to go to become true politicians. We must learn more lying; cheating and pretense.

A principled politician is like a virgin prostitute. In order words an utter failure. Not worth mentioning.

Politic and principles for Jahankhalili

Shah Abbas the Great pretended to covert to Christianity so the Portugese loved him and helped him to kick Brits out of Persian Gulf. Then he became more stablized he kicked Portugese out of the persian Gulf. please read Iran history and you will find what I am talking about.

Dr. Mosaddeq made a trip to U.S. He took picture with Harry Trueman as a good friend to cut Brits hands from Iran oil. After he got rid of Brits, he was playing the same with U.S in favor of Soviet Union.  He called it "Movazeneh Manfee". I don't know the English translation for that.

Shah of Iran did the same when U.S was reluctant to sale him arms that he needed back in 67 and 68.. He keep pretending to be ally with Soviet Union in order to make U.S comply with his demand.

History is full of these political games and the ones who succeed are the one who played that game skillfully. The ones who couldn't play were out of the picture throughout the course of history.

No

It means that there are no principles at work behind what the people are sucking up to.

Jahan khalili question of what does that mean?

If you choose politic for making the living, you will starve to death. you will be better of in your major Biochemistry than political science.

Sincerely,

Siavash

So what does that mean?

It means that all these Iranians who are kissing Jewish a-s now, would have been kissing Hitler's a-s had they been living in the Third Reich. 

Back in the Third Reich

All the people who now make a point of distancing themselves from Hitler or condemning him, would have gone out of their way to associate with him if they had been alive at the time and living in the Third Reich.

I know maybe fewer than five Iranians who have it in them to defy public opinion.

The rest are the typical sorts of sycophants for the powerful that Iranian culture excels in producing.

The wiser man

" The wiser man will not advertise what will damage them. Got it?"

The wiser man can stand up to public opinion, and force it to his will, instead of allowing it to mold him. 

JK

Now you got me going and maybe I will put up a set of blogs. It is a very complex subject and I am not really the best person to do it. The history goes back 2-3 thousand years. 

Jews were incorporated into Iran since Cyrus the Great freed Babylon. The festival of Purim is a celebration of deliverance of Jews in ancient Persia. When the plot by Haman was discovered by the Shah Khashayar who married Esther. That made the Iranian Royal line part Jewish. 

The history and fate of Iran is deeply intertwined with Jews. They are a part  of Iran and inseparable. To this day the learned Jews know this and realize it. The people who don't are idiot NeoCon American Fox watchers whose heads are up their ***.

Re: Jews and Iran

More than one blog I would say. I am somewhat familiar with the history. At one point a significant portion of Iran was Jewish. There is a debate over whether Parthians were of Jewish origin.

If you see the coinage for example Mithridates II "Mehrdad the Great" has very Semitic features.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_II_of_Par...

However ther is good reason to beleive  they were Mithraists. With the name Mithradates aka Mehrdad means "Gift of Mithra". The greatest; oldest of continuously worshiped Gods. Basis of the myth of "virgin birth" of Jesus and all of Christianity.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra

Anyway to get back to the subject  yes it is worth a blog or rather a whole set of them. More like a whole library of them.

Jews didn't even care about Jews

Herschel Grynszpan was turned down when he applied for immigration to Palestine.

He was apparently turned down by other Jews, who wanted more able-bodied and older immigrants for their nation-building adventure. 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan

Had Jews been more sympathetic towards their own, he and others like him might have escaped death.

If even Jews (and Zionist Jews, at that!) were ignoring the plight of their fellow Jews, let's not even pretend that Iranians were all full of sympathy for them. 

Jews and Iran

That deserves a whole blog - or several.

I'm not an expert on any of this. 

But I've read that Jews passing from the Soviet Union through Iran via that transit point to Palestine, had to pay extortion fees to Iranians. 

Has anyone here heard of that? I'll try to look it up and see if I can find it.

JK

Iranians did care about Jews. Iranian official in Paris Vichy government did all in his power to save them. He used the Nazi pro-Iran attitude to get exit visas for *any* Jews to Iran. Where they did not face gas chambers.

//users.sedona.net/~sepa/sardarij.html

You got to read history Iranian people are not what you think. You sir got short changed and blame all the rest of us for it.

Re: Oghdeyees for Hitler

I don't know which way they would have gone. But the main thing is that it would have possibly cost us at least the Jewish population. It is a disaster  I am glad we did not have to  face. Alright? 

Of course you want powerful friends

You're Iranian.

What else can anyone expect from you?

And that's why you would have liked Hitler.

He would have been the most powerful friend. You wouldn't have even known about the Jews, let alone cared about them.

Zionists didn't care about the Jews trapped in Europe. Why would you? 

Re:If Hitler Won

Well that is obvious only an idiot goes against the winning party. As they say in the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #33

• It never hurts to suck up to the boss.

VPK and all these other prestige-worshipping Iranians would be all over him!

No, you are wrong I don't worship prestige I want powerful friends! Iran should ally itself with the strongest best friends around. If Germans won *and* were already favorably predisposed toward Iran:good! We'd be idiots not to take advantage of it. Maybe they would helped rid us of Islam. We may only wish but it was not to be so now it is gone.

BTW: I would not have sacrificed Jews to placate Nazi. Iran had already come up with "reasons" to save Iranian Jews. I take no pleasure in watching others suffer and would have done whatever it takes to stop it. The problem is that people like me rarely get to power. Because I am not sufficiently insane 

Anyone who is wooing Iranians is doing it to get a foothold

For example, the Zionists keep playing up Cyrus the Great and his liberation of the Jews of Babylon, patting Iranians on their heads to make them think they're fond of them.

What, do you think they're really fond of Iranians, and have a deep respect for Iranian culture?

Of course not.

The pre-Islamic history of Iran included all kinds of persecutions against the Jews. 

Hitler's dead. Its not him or his wooing you should watch out for. 

Oghdeyees for Hitler

To those, like Siavash300, who are silly enough to think that "Hitler had a deep respect for Iran and Iranian culture" and that "Germans were respectful in Iran," and who are grateful that the Nazis built them some structures, it should be clear that this was just what suited their purposes at the time, nothing out of deep or enduring respect for the country's people and her culture. 

The Nazis were wooing Iran in order to gain a foothold there.  Had they managed to eventually occupy the country, like the allies did, they would have, in all likelyhood, also deposed Reza Shah and proceeded to implement same policies they pursued in other areas under their occupation, including dispatching those Iranians they deemed to be untermenschen to concentration camps, and looting of "Aryan treasures" that happened to be "mistakenly" found in Iran.

Some people are so starved for adoration and suffer from such inferiority complex that they'd jump in bed with any ogre that smilingly complements them on their nice outfit.

Siavash

Thanks Jahankhalili for the link

The link was informative. Thanks

Siavash

If Hitler Won

VPK and all these other prestige-worshipping Iranians would be all over him!

They'd be criticizing you for NOT mentioning how important Iran was in helping him achieve victory!

People who just care about how they look, will be for or against someone or something solely over whether that person is a "winner" or "loser", or whether it is popular.

That's why when they try to give you an example of success, they'll think "facebook" and not the inventors of the internet, or "IBM" and not the inventors of the computer. 

So we're back to square-one: Iranians are icon-worshippers, and don't know or care anything about the thing itself. 

By the way, VPK

Don't you get tired of pretending all the time?

For instance, you pretend to know me.

Why not admit that you don't?

Are you afraid of something? 

Facebook and IBM

The people who invented computers and the internet are the ones I want to be like - not those who make money off of them.

Mastmali is for people who can't do anything new. 

Mediocre people find their identity in public relations

The pursuit of truth for its own sake is for those who aren't hindered by such petty nonsense.

Who Cares?

Damage to image is a narcissistic preoccupation.

All that matters is the truth. 

yes, that is true VPK

I agree with your comment 100%. That was not wise to do so, especially at this critical time. I was the one who told you about Brits as well since E.U has meeting this week and U.K can make a major role in that meeting and the decision they make.

Repat remove

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JK part II

Public Relations is a major part of all Western organizations. You bet we try to appear good. Why not; should we be stupid and make ourselves look bad? That is being done by the Mollahs. 

Does not IBM; Google; Facebook try to look good? It makes sense to raise your stock price. It is a way of the capitalist. Are you some kind of Marxist :-) No offense meant to RG! Du!h! But I will never put my family second. Family is the best and I love my children. You got shortchanged. If I were your father I would have given you the love you should have had.

JK

I am not obsessed with looking good; I am very handsome as is. But given the situation it is stupid of us to brag about Hitler. The wiser man will not advertise what will damage them. Got it?

Who'd have predicted

That VW turned out to be the Hippies favorite :-) There is a little bit of Adolph  in every Hippie! Ari cooled amazingly simple yet efficient the VW was a masterpiece of all. The prefect car!