The Mrs

AW

Thanks for the compliment. I know that even if you don't agree with me, at least you're sincere.

Never blame or sanction any one for my act please

Kaveh or anybody else in this site is not to get the blame for my parole.

I always work alone. Don't make another drama in this site too.

I just said my overall opinion about all I see here.

My applogies to Kaveh and TheMrs.

Sorry about that.

TheMrs.

Thanks for an interesting article.  This is my adios amigo.  Hopefully I'll see something else from you soon.

Kaveh.  You're not fun anymore.  It used to be entertaining AND enlightening.  You're intelligent and offer good arguments.  Lately you sound bitter and angry. 

Don't worry

let them delete all comment and close all blogs in order to promote only one group's voice !

This will only have a negative impact on this site. Nothing else.

Self-destruction !!!

To Clarify

I'm the one who said that I don't give a rat's ass about the bible either.

Not only that, but I said what I really think it is, which was enough to get it deleted.

For a bunch of openminded people, they have a hard time thinking outside the box.

i agree

this is a difficult stretch of imagination, that is, reconciling religion and egalitarian demands of societal life. But I’m not sure it is impossible. It is one of the most puzzling predicaments of our time.

Also I am personally not sure if I disagree with you that accommodating egalitarianism from within a religious framework is desirable (even if possible). But I think anyone who advocates an entirely secular solution must also admit that such a formula would necessarily entail another act of deprivation. Why can’t gays aspire for a committed religious life just as anyone else may choose to do so?

Additionally , as a matter of strategy, so far as American society (and any other similarly religious ones) are concerned, working within religion might yield more consensus in the end. The record is not promising so far, but the battle must go on.

I’m glad I checked this blog; Thank you for raising an important issue!

Ey Khaanoom, man ba shoma naboodam keh...

Nah.. nah!

I was responding to another comment from our resident Republican who stated that since it was voted upon, that it's a done deal.  We might not be ready for this now... but hopefully society WILL be ready one day.

No, my dear Mrs... I had great empathy for your article and can't think of a thing that I don't agree with.  I'm greatly saddened by the fact that what you say is true!!!!! 

Ey baba American

Ey baba

American Wife, What the heck man? when did I say the matter is closed because it was voted twice? I'm saying that at this point in time, the majority of the vote was against this. And that's just a fact. Who knows what's going to happen in the future.

As far as the Bible goes, it's clear on some issues. But I'm not saying I agree with them. I am against all religions, every day of the week and especially twice on Sundays.

Is my blog that ambiguous? I am saying that gays should be allowed to get married. That they shouldn't wait for the Church to sanctify their marriages. That society has a lot of thinking to do about what is and isn't the worth of marriage. And that at the end, if gays can't get married, they should develop a process on their own to legalize their marriages.

How did I end up being the bigot here?

Takeover

How does it do that the Gay marriage was forbidden by referendum in CA? Everyone I know here doesn't understand what happened...

If you're going to spend time reading an article...

comment on THAT.  Why waste time and effort correcting a spelling error.  Who are you... the grammAR and spelling police?  I was able to follow the gist of the comment... I'm sure you were was well since you're "an Intelligent Reader"....:-)

It's amazing when you think about it how progressive we HAVE become.  So many incredible changes in less than a century.  But we have a long long way to go. 

It's unfortunate that in this day and time... and particularly with the current regime that controls your own country... that someone could think that because "it was voted down twice", that the matter is closed.  There is no doubt that the religious faction doesn't approve of homosexuality.  It's a further truth that those same religious factions have determined what the Bible does and doesn't say or mean with such complete authority.  How utterly offensive that is to me!

You have no idea of the confliction that this subject brings to families.  I do.  My brother is gay... my family is Catholic.  To hear some people talk, they would suggest that we disinherit our brother.  Or suggest that he was not entitled to the same rights that we are. 

It would be the proudest day of my life if I were able to attend my brother's wedding with his partner... to hear him commit to loving and obeying (opps.... ixnay the "obey") with the same privileges that I have.

TheMrs. has stated quite plainly and simply the contradictions of the whole friggin' mess.  I doubt I would have been able to say it any better. 

a little constipated,a little wound up...

but Keith is good at what he does,thank God he is not fully constipated & wound up like Bill O'Reilly or Brit Hume  for that matter.

TheMrs

shuold or should??

American Wife: Yes, I

American Wife:

Yes, I don't get who gives a rat's ass about the Bible either.

Yes, I know things will be put to vote many times. It shuold be that way. At some point, society will turn and the will be acceptable. I just don't think it's here yet.

Anony000: Thank you for constructive criticism and it gives me something to think about. But I have looked into the history of Christianity but I don't have a phd in it. I've reached the conclusion that the text can be flexible to a point. Leviticus is clear about homosexuality. But I don;t get religion to begin with so why it would regulate people's sex life, in this day and age, is beyond me. The bible also forbids fornication and the catholic church is against contraceptives and abortions. Go figure.

Salvador: It's funny, at the beginning, the guy is so adamant that he doesn't know any gay people. It's such BS. Anyone who doesn't know a gay person is either lying or on another planet.

Jesus Loves Boys:I read

Jesus Loves Boys:

I read the news and articles were referring to gays trying to get endorsements from the Church, here, I'm just saying I don't get why they would want to do that. 

In a society, everyone has a right to have their nose in other people's business. Otherwise, if they were throwing gays in jail, it wouldn't be my business either...right?! WRONG. 

Are you that dumb? Here, I was talking about how firstly the Bible doesn't make sense and secondly how the gay community shouldn't be waiting for endorsements from the Church.

You would be lucky to get a chance to f the way I f.

Too bad we have too many people like you living every where! Read againg, then comment. And if you aren't clear about what I'm saying, ask first.

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I'll have to go back and listen again.

I took it as his being facetious.  Maybe I'm wrong.  If he meant it, then I'm disappointed too.  That doesn't take away his right to complain though... especially when it comes to Bush....LOL.

But... I still love the man.  Between him and Rachel, I could listen all day long.  :-0

The comment about Elizabeth was a joke but it is to your credit that you're not impressed with that conservative bimboleena. :-)

Keep him!

The words came from his own mouth! Is it not to be believed?

So then he's either a hypocrite or a liar. Either way, you can have him. Whatever tiny shred of credibility he had as a sportscaster trying to play "serious journalist" went out the window when he said he doesn't vote.

All but one of the women on that panel are avowed Democrats who were very vocal in their support of Barack Obama and dislike of McCain, GWB and the GOP during the campaign. And even THEY took issue with and didn't buy his "it's symbolic" BS.

Baba Wawa had to yell over the rest of that den of yentas (especially Joy Behar and Elisabeth Hasselbeck) in order to try and diffuse the tension.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck does absolutely nothing for me, by the way.

TheMrs, I invite you to see

the question from a different perspective. It is less about this or that (legal) institution, this or that (legal or social) title, and more about being considered to be 'the same' and not 'different'. While granting the same privileges to gay civil unions is already a step many countries could take as the first step forward, in some other places the soil may be ready for the final step of recognition of gays as 'equal' to just anyone else. This country shold not be far from it. You can understand this only if you can imagine yourself for a second in a position that gets full respect, but still viewd as different. Sometimes, outright hatred is easier to put up with than a prima facie, politically-correct admission to a group with a different ex ante position assigned to you.

There is more to say on the religious side, but I assume you can learn about that if you studied the history of Christianity and not stayed content with a literal meaning of the text.
We human beings apparently have a long way to go before we learn how to accept and embrace anything that is perceived as 'different' with an open heart and mind on a general level without resorting to rationalizations and exceptions.

You're just jealous because we have Keith

and all you have is Hannity and Colmes....LOL

Ok, I admit Keith sometimes looks like he's a little constipated and yes, absolutely he gets a little wound up.  But I LOVE HIM... he's awesome.  Tells it like it is.

I can't believe you of all people believe everything you hear on TV... and The View????  Just checking Elizabeth out, eh?

I don't think either side has presented it's case very well.  However, for me, it's a matter of rights.  You can go on and on and on about what the bible says (like any one of you give a rat's ass about the bible) but it's fallible, just as we humans are. 

There are no limitations on how many times something can be voted on before it's passed.  It's no indication of whether it's right or wrong.  How many years did women struggle before they got the right to vote.  How many years did blacks struggle before they got the right to eat in the same restaurant as you?  It can be voted down a 100 times and still be valid.  The fight will continue, with or without your approval.

Irandokht, I made it to

Irandokht,

I made it to about 1:19 and was laughing so hard I had to stop the video. It looks like he is forcing himself and holding back a loud fart. PUHLEEZ

Marriage with its tradition and history and religion is so much more than giving eveyrone a chance not to be alone. This is exactly why gays want in on it. If I were to be the gays chief strategist, I wouldn't do that.

But of course, in this day and age, gays should have every right to legalize their unions and get any benefits that come with that.

As for voting, I never vote. But I reserve the right to complain. It's a birth right.

Does anyone know if this guy is married? From the sounds of it, he's got no clue what he's talking about.

You should be embarrassed of

You should be embarrassed of yourself. What does your religion have to do with other people's life? I believe in this piece you have just sugar coated your bigotry. get real and get your nose out of other people's life.

Do you believe in bible? Start stoning those who work on sabbath day. also if a girl is not virgin she should be stoned in front of her fathers doorstep!

Bigotry is bigotry even if it is sugar coated. Be a good christian, mind your own business. What you are saying is basically "You should f*ck the way I f*ck". I'm just happy people like you don't live in Iran we have enough of religious freaks over there.

Poor bastard looked like he's about to cry

Throw him a Kleenex. 

I saw the video. I'm not impressed or moved by his words in the least. He's an admitted phoney.

He admitted on The View that he doesn't even vote. As far as I'm concerned, if you have the right to vote in this country, and you don't even exercise that right, then you have no right to complain about a goddamn thing.

All of the vitriol he has been spewing is just a sham.

IRANdokht jaan

Thank you for this video. I couldn't have said it any better. It seems that our Omar Khayyam was as cool as Jesus who supposedly insisted that his message of universal Love is superior to the Laws of the Old Testamment that were established before his time.

Cheers,

Azadeh 

Gay should have a "civil

Gay should have a "civil union", with all the rights , privileges and responsibilities of a marriage, but I don't like it to be called a marriage. It is just not the same.

kaveh

put your opinions aside and listen to this please:

IRANdokht

The Most Embarrassing Part

is that there was a vote on this issue.

Twice.

Both times it was voted down by the people in an election.

It's enough, already. Basseh, baba.