Today`s Similarities, Yesterday`s Links II

Anonym7

It is nice to see you speak some sense, but you don`t really believe I would fall for such tactics so easily now, do you?

Ben

Settlements are a complex matter. Personally I do not support the settlements. Basically the settlers are a pain in the back of everyone !
It is like this: A bunch of them go and settle in a usually hostile area, and they are almost always Americans nowadays, then the army has to protect them. You have to understand, Israelis and Jews can never and will never leave other Israelis vulnerable. It is out of the question. It happened maybe once or twice in the last 60 years, and even those few cases have left their scars. They all can`t be forced to remove all the time either. The Israeli political arena is very complex, many groups and parties, and the governments are always formed by compromise coallitions, and the settlers have supporters among some of the factions and politicians (Begin and Sharon did support them at one time for instance.) The point though, Ben, is that the land is still disputed, not occupied, territory. The arabs invaded Israel 3 times, instead of declaring a separate state. The land does not belong to any specific recognized state yet. There is a school of thought that says Israel has to take the war front away from her inland territory, and the settlements do that. There is some truth in this, as the situation after the forced removal of all settlements in Gaza has shown. Nevertheless I approve of Sharon`s removal of settlements because the more important issue is the demographic situation. I believe having kept Gaza was a mistake, the same way that the first invasion and occupation of Lebanon in the 80s was a huge mistake. One result of that has been the creation of this monster Hizballah. The settlements also do create a negative image, there are problematic issues about them. But, to be honest, that is not that big an issue. No matter what Israel does, she will always be faced with negative bias, and an added amount does not make much difference.

However if you mean the new building constructions in East Jerusalem, that is an entirely different issue. Jerusalem is ours, it will remain ours, and despite what this current cabinet says, it will remain non-negotiable. I totally approve and support those constructions.

The Golan heights are also a different issue. The Golan heights in the hands of Syrians has to be viewed essentially as a weapon of mass destruction against Israel, and Israel should therefore be allowed to keep them.

yes ..... indeed (to Zion)

my friend Zion, your corrupt leaders, following the orders of neocons/AIPAC attacked Lebanon in 2006 and caused more suffering for Lebanese and Israelis. To their credit even many courageous Israeli went against that stupidity very quickly, .... to the extent that even CNN showed those sentiments! (I vividly remember that). Indeed that is when I realized more than before how many good Israelis are there.... yes indeed ... the war mongers lost militarily and morally. Indeed my friend Zion.

Irainians in Iran are sick and tired of all these mumbo

jumbo Ideology of hate 24/7 365 days/a year over 30 years outa Arab regime,s mouth. Been  BSing People with their "Means nothing, empty, hollow, good for nothing,about nothing ,repetitiously boring ,kakamainy everything  rationalizing hate toward anything non shia".....No body sane  buys your story any more..the Gig is up..go fool somebody else .Iranis don,t give a hoot about  your qods day..or your "marg bar amrika day" or what ever made up days you Khaliffe regime have...only folks they can get around to join in those phony demos are highschool kids who want a day off school or some Brainwashed basijiis ...You are History! Arab regime "soukhto souz dareh..diro o zood nadareh"

Abarmard, Zion's anti racist message is good

Abarmard, Isreali propaganda machine (more or less like any other country) does some "editing" .... nevertheless as you might agree we have always had some level of anti-semitism in Iran, during the Shah and now. And by anti-semitism I mean anti-Jewish feelings as well as anti-Arab feelings (both Arabs and Jews are semitic people).
Zion may have many hidden agendas but I believe his anti racist message is good. Every now and then Zion goes into his war mongering mode or blows a fuse ... but he is Zion .... and I have some suspicion that he is not a terribly bad guy (unlike that Amil Imani guy!!!!)!

--best regards

Re:

Settlements. This is the word that comes to my mind. Why do they still expand settlements??? Even the US administration asked to stop them, and theya re still building. Expropriations, because of the settlements. These are very bad for Israel's image for imparital people, and I hope I am one of them!

Ben

What do you mean `support all that Israel does`? How can any one support all that a state does? What is then the point of democracy? Of course I do not agree with all that goes on in Israel, with all her policies, foreign or domestic. Of course I decide on a case by case basis and take a position respectively.
However I do claim and I do stand by this claim that no other nation state in the world would have been even remotely as tolerant and as careful about avoiding suffering as Israel, had it actually been in Israel`s position. That despite any faults that she might have.

Re: Zion

Dear Zion,

I have a special respect for the Jewish people because they are a people who never surrendered to tyranny and cherished freedom. They did not convert to Christianity and endured hardship to be what they are. I have great respect for such people. I also respect Iran's Kurds and Bahais for the same reason. And many other peoples who have confronted tyranny and injustice. This is my special feeling for the Jewish people. But if YOU, or any Jew, would ever defend ALL the actions that Israel takes, then I will not be friendly toward you, or that person :) Here I was talking about Jews and our unrepresentiative government's distasteful and racist stance against the Jewish PEOPLE! However I am not a fan of Israel's actions. I do agree that Israel is in a very hostile territory and needs to be tough, but some of Israeli actions are extreme. Yet again, I also see these issues little relevant to Iran and I think Arabs and Jews and their immediate neighbours need to solve their issues. Iran should not get involved, and should only get involved if ASKED for the sole purpose of PEACE, not to send weapons!

Indeed

Dear Anonymoushaha and Ben, you hit it right on. Thanks.
There is no hatred of Iranians or muslims in Israel. Iran is respected as an ancient land of rich culture. It is only the lunatic regime in charge of Iran that is the enemy. Small examples of Jewish and Israeli respect for Iran and Persians, despite the madness that is coming out of Tehran:
//www.shahyad.net/yahudian/Iran-Israel/Iran-k...
//www.shahyad.net/yahudian/Iran-Israel/Koresh...
//www.shahyad.net/yahudian/Iran-Israel/Hapars...
(Thanks to the website Shahyad)

Abarmard, the bias you have against MEMRI is itself a sign of anti-semitism. Just because it is situated in Israel, the Jewish land.

Those children were being bombed, deliberately targeted, by Hizballah for days and days. They are writing the name of Hizballah on the rockets, not Lebanese children. Hizballah! Do you understand? The gang of murderer fascit thugs. It is also Hizballah who has the blood of Lebanese and palestinians on its hands, by hiding among the civilian population on purpose. What were you trying to imply? Shouldn`t you be ashamed of yourself?

Zionists are 100 times worse than Islamic Republic

When it comes to Nazism, Zionists are 100 times worse than Islamic Republic. Zionism is racism, who says so? United Nation says so. Nazim is racism. Israel is a racist country. They have passed the point of broadcasting propaganda against their opponents. They go ahead and assasinate their opponents. The worst regime in the world at the present moment is Israel when it comes to denying other people' rights.

Abarmard- What are you showing us?

This is none sense. Dr. Abassi is a mad Islamic Fundamentalist. He is
the cause for much of IRI's problems today. You are not winning back
browny point by showing us Abassi trying to make it appear as if there
is true debate in the IRI and no Browny points re the Israeli kids. As
I recall, Hizbollah was indiscriminatly shooting rockets at Israeli
civilians. Please do not muddy up the issue. Nice try though. Can you
tell us what Jews, Israel or Zionists have done to Iran or Iranians to
deserve this type of garbage on IRI TV. This is state sponsored anti
semitism. I don't see state sponsored anti islam propeganda on Israeli
or American TV. And remember, I said STATE SPONSORED. I don't care
about crazy individuals. We both can agree that both sides have crazy
individuals who preach hate and violence.
Since 1979 we hear marg bar israel marg bar Amrica. Were the AIPAC or
Zionist after the IRI in 1979? As I recall, our dear Imam Khomeini even
purchased weapons from the Israelis in the 80's to fight saddam and
kill moslems. Why this type of barbarian behavior at every friday
prayer gathering for the past 30 years?
This Israeli pictures you show us proves jack. IRI has killed 1000
times more moslems than the Zionists. Arabs have killed each other 1000
time more as well. Moreover, IRI has been acting as the instigator in
most of the recent conflicts between Israel and Arabs. Hamas &
Hezbollah are both funded and financed by the IRI while the arab
governments hate both Hamas and Hezbollah. At least I could see why
AIPAC is pro hard stance on the IRI. Its because of all this garbage.
The proof is right there in Farsi for all of us Iranians to see. And
what do you do, pick up standard anti zionist propaganda and try to
shove it our throat.
Look at IRI tv, look what we have become as a society or what we are
force fed by these fundamentalist idiots. You call this civilized? With
this type of state sponsored garbage, you expect the jews to sit
quietly and believe the IRI when it says "our nuclear program is
peaceful". Please! Don't insult your own intelligence!
Hopefully the sensors will print this one!

Abarmard- What are you showing us?

This is none sense. Dr. Abassi is a mad Islamic Fundamentalist. He is the cause for much of IRI's problems today. You are not winning back browny point by showing us Abassi trying to make it appear as if there is true debate in the IRI and no Browny points re the Israeli kids. As I recall, Hizbollah was indiscriminatly shooting rockets at Israeli civilians. Please do not muddy up the issue. Nice try though.

Can you tell us what Jews, Israel or Zionists have done to Iran or Iranians to deserve this type of garbage on IRI TV. This is state sponsored anti semitism. I don't see state sponsored anti islam propeganda on Israeli or American TV. And remember, I said STATE SPONSORED. I don't care about crazy individuals. We both can agree that both sides have crazy individuals who preach hate and violence.

Since 1979 we hear marg bar israel marg bar Amrica. Were the AIPAC or Zionist after the IRI in 1979? As I recall, our dear Imam Khomeini even purchased weapons from the Israelis in the 80's to fight saddam and kill moslems. Why this type of barbarian behavior at every friday prayer gathering for the past 30 years?

This Israeli pictures you show us proves jack. IRI has killed 1000 times more moslems than the Zionists. Arabs have killed each other 1000 time more as well.

Moreover, IRI has been acting as the instigator in most of the recent conflicts between Israel and Arabs. Hamas & Hezbollah are both funded and financed by the IRI while the arab governments hate both Hamas and Hezbollah. At least I could see why AIPAC is pro hard stance on the IRI. Its because of all this garbage. The proof is right there in Farsi for all of us Iranians to see. And what do you do, pick up standard anti zionist propaganda and try to shove it our throat.

Look at IRI tv, look what we have become as a society or what we are force fed by these fundamentalist idiots. You call this civilized?

With this type of state sponsored garbage, you expect the jews to sit quietly and believe the IRI when it says
"our nuclear program is peaceful". Please! Don't insult your own intelligence!

Hopefully the sensors will print this one!

What memritv fails to show

Translate this to Zion so he learns where Iranian regime is. This is Iran. Disagree with it, but the regime thinks like this...not what you see the other side:

See it here

And something that you would never ever hear or see about in the free memritv:

Click Here

Selective bastards

nonymousHaha

Again, so what?

In Iran, if you have visited lately, there are many thoughts and groups. There are very a few who get "influenced" by the Iranian media. So what's new? These videos are Israeli regime funded to demonize Iran and Iranians as crazies (they did the same for Iraqis and Lebanese before their wars) so they can "bomb" innocent people and show them to the world as justified. Do I really need to explain this?

As I said, your choice to buy into that. Look, There is Mullah Hassani in Iran that is a joke of the town and country. You can take his speeches and make it look like evil. But he is just dumb and no one cares. Like the Friday Sermon of Shiraz, or Isfahan. They are the joke. So what? You have not been in Iran and don't know. This is nothing big deal. It does not represent the policies of the Iranian regime, although Zionists tell you otherwise. This has everything to do with the Zionists, you don't know it. Zionists are Christian fundamentalists and Jewish Fundamentalists complaining about the Islamic Fundamentalists!!! Think about it.

As I have mentioned earlier, you can pick and choose many Christian priests or Rabbis who talk worse than what you hear in these links. You can always search and find idiots....So what?

Dear Abarmard Joon,

What does MEMRI TV has to do with it on these clips? There is no so called "zionist" ANALYSYS that is involved on the clips. Its just the pure broadcast from IRI's State Run TV. Please watch them first than give us your thoughs. Again, there is no MEMRI Analysis. Just listed to the Farsi.

This is not about stupid people on Earth. This is about official IRI policy. You are smart enough to know that nothing gets on TV without IRI's approval.

Zion, thanks for posting these. I thanked you yesterday but somebody is acting as a free speech show stoper here.

Those who watch MemriTV

Can't be logical people. In Iran we have a similar web cast that picks the Rabbi and priest saying the craziest thing on earth...Who follows that?

This propaganda style works best on Zionists. They love it. My answer to this (not watched it, but know the nature of memritv) is so what?

Can you stand here and claim that there are no stupid people on this earth, in any country or religion? You may pick and choose to broadcast them, your choice...Israel does that to justify her shortcomings. You should not, as a smart individual, fall for it. Read intellectuals and learn rather than use pop videos to teach others. Your choice. Sad.

Re: observer

Dear observer,

Did you look at the clips? When I was in Iran we didn't have these. Things have got worse unfortunately. I agree with Zion to put such videos here on Iranian.com so we, Iranians, see these. It's about his people, the Jews, and he has the courage and the will to defend his people on our website because it is our rulers who in our name are propagating such distasteful and misleading ideas about his people. I always agree that we first need to clean our own house, and then maybe talk about ethics etc to others. One thing is to talk objectively about Israel and the other is to promote such incredibly distasteful, racist and pathetic ideas about Jews on Iranian national TV. We as Iranians need to object to these and we as Iranians should have put these videos for all to see and say that the regime does not represent us.

I have absolutely nothing against those who genuinely criticise Israel and its actions. I do too, though I am more concerned about criticising the Iranian regime because that's the regime which is doing us harm, not Israel. Israel is a small and distant country which is not affecting our lives in Iran. Most of the hype about Israel is politics. But the anti-Semitism that the current Iranian regime is promoting and feeding even our children is a crime against our own Iranian nation and our dignity and our future, especially the future of our children. I hope you understand what I mean. Thanks!

Israel has many similarities to Nazism too

Mr Zion we don't need your lectures about the Islamic Republic of Iran. We know better because we lived under its rule and we are here now, do you get it?
you better worry about government of Israel and its similarites to Nazism. Zionism movement has every element of Nazism in itself such as the jews being the chosen people, killing others to take over the victims' land and properties, using propaganda to mislead public opinion, exterminating another people because of their race and religion and start wars to conquer other people's land.
Shame on you and all other defenders of Zionism. Look at people who are governing in Israel. The ex-president of the country is a rapist and prime minister is a corrupted bribe taker. This corruption runs down the government and the whole society in the occupied Palestine. Do you know why? Because the whole idea of Zionism is based on lies and injustice. Zionism is corrupted just like Nazism.

Many similarities with right wing Christian TV programs

It is really bad (and stupid) what some of these idiots say, but I have seen very similar things being said about Muslims in ultra right wing Christian channels and even foxnews. I personally don't let those channels form my opinion about the Americans.
.... BTW many of these right wing Christian channels claim to be very pro Israeli!

Dear Zeynab

Thanks for your feedback. There is no doubt that this kind of venom affect people who do not know of it history, but I tend to believe that such nonsense has no real roots within Iranian culture. It obviously has a momentary effect but can`t sink in too deep. Also people had an experience iwth this regime and in large parts ignor what they hear from their mouthpieces. A free Iran with free flow of information can heal the effects. What is really worrying is that these are not really IRI tricks, but the minority gang in power actually believes this stuff, needs to believe such stuff and has a natural tendency towards this kind of poison. It is what such Islamic extremeist can do is the real frightening thing. There are roots to such things. I discussed them shortly in a previous blog. If you haven`t read it, you can find it here:
//iranian.com/main/blog/zion/today-s-simi...

I am shocked

I can not believe the garbage that they have on tv.
The one about Walt Disney's so ridiculous, how could an educated man be so stupid and paranoid.
I brought my old mom in front of the computer and told her maman , come and hear what they say, about Jews killing children for their blood. she sat and then said "khoda zalileshon koneh" .She was my sample for simple Iranians and iRI 's trick worked on her.of course I explained it to her and she said VA!! now I know that actually people believe this garbage, my own "zedeh enghelab " mother believed them.
Shame on IRI, for this poison.

Ben

You have a point about the last clip, however there are important differences here. First Islam does not allow conversion from Islam to other religions, the punishment for doing so is death, which makes such claims a matter of supremacy. Second, many extremist Islamists are openly speak of fighting to make Islam rule the world. But most importantly, he is not just a clergy, and this is not just clergy talk. This is the Islamic Republic and the clergy are also government officials. What they say in Friday prayers is the political statements of political officials. They have made it that way.

The Jewish community in Iran is basically held hostage. They are not harmed that much first because of Israel nearby, they have been turned into bargaining chips. They are also significant media propaganda tools that they have learnt to exploit very well. However I am sure there is a lot of pressure on the community, they have to be extremly careful in what they say and do, and they are denied part of their religous rights, like restin in Shabbat or having Jewish school masters. They also live under constant threat of espionage accusations.

Re:

Islamism is not Islam, it is POLITICAL ISLAM, but as I had written it can be interpreted. Political Islam can also be moderate and peaceful. It is a sensitive issue so when regarding people who use religion to do others wrong and harm it is best to reduce the probability of such interpretations as much as possible.

The videos are very interesting. I had no idea Iranian national TV has gone this far and has become so ridiculous and openly anti-Semitic. Yes, they openly denying the holocaust and they are openly attacking NOT JUST Israel, but Jews in general. I am horrified to think how it is like to be a Jewish Iranian. We know that there is a very large Jewish population in Iran. But as far as I know all this has not so far become a serious danger toward Iranian Jewish population.

bijanam

I have already changed it. As I said, I do not consider Islamism and Islam to be the same thing.

About the clips

First, I would like to say that I watched most of the videos, and those regarding Jews, directly denying the Holocaust and so on, seem to be quite new. I do not remember having seen such rubbish before Ahmadinejad. So those who say that Ahmadinejad is different take a look at these Iranian national TV clips! Absolutely shameful for a government, the Iranian government, to get involved in such ridiculous issues.

However I saw the clip in which the cleric was saying that Shia Islam is the right, and the only right path! This is nothing exceptional. I have heard Christinas say pretty much similar things. He doesn't say anything racist or alike. He is just a cleric!

Dear Zion

I agree with Mr. Madadi's comment regarding extrimist muslims and not Islamism. I hope you consider correcting your post.

Regards

I changed it

Ben, I changed it, but the way I see it Islamism is not the same thing as Islam either. It is an ideology that bases itself on Islam but it is not a religion.

Re

Dear Zion, Please correct as "extremist Islam" and not "Islamism" as I am sure you do not want to be interpreted as launching any attack on the religion of Islam and Muslims in general :) Please do so!