Musings of a former chicken

Demo is getting angry now

1. Im glad you realize just how ridiculous your answer was. Beating means beating. period. Not dancing. Not cuddling. Not smooching  

2. I'll keep my questions until then, as long as you dont keep shoving your precious Holy Book into our faces in the mean time. In fact, we'd be very happy indeed if you wouldnt go around gargling Quranic verses in every blog and forum 24/7. The only reason I bring these questions up is because you keep proselytizing the Quran. Stop trying to convert people!

3.  I dont care what God says about King solomon. It says NOTHING in this verse. God has OK'ed you to beat your wife if she dont submit to your will. There's no condemnation ANYWHERE in this verse. 

The Reps of Same Old Stuff!

1. Make a toothbrush out of feather & then heat your wife & yourself together to death! For a disbeliever in GOD what difference does it make what he says anyway?

2. Surely, we all are goiing to face him one day as early as tomorrow! You keep your questions as well to ask him then!

3. GOD condemns any type of 'Zolm' done unjustifyably even if it is done to an 'Ant' as in the story of King Salomon in Quran! Proving you with the questioned verse, you are still going to call me a LIER. Because you believe GOD is a LIE & Mohammed is a LIE, and Bible, Quran, and Torah are all LIES. Then what is the point of showing a LIE from a book of LIES by a LIER?

Such a waste of time with the same old crowd of the same old stuff! Such a waste, indeed!   

Islam ain't a religion for fags

When you wanna cuddle, you beat; when you wanna beat, you kill; and you wanna kill, you throw stones or torn off 

Demo's Tafseer of beating with a feather!

1. Yes Demo, beating with a feather. (LMAO). Tell me, do you type this sh*t with a straight face? In case you didnt know, beating someone with a feather is not called BEATING, its called tickling. Zarb is something which inflicts Zarbeh. You cannot inflict zarbeh with a feather. Plain and simple Arabic.

2. That question should be addressed to the one who wrote those Holy words. Ask His Holiness: "Oh Allah! Why the fu*k am I supposed to beat my wife if I fear she has become arrogant? I thought I was supposed to love her!!"

3. YOU LIE. God does not "condemn such aggression". He's INSTRUCTING IT IN THIS VERSE. The word wadhrebu-honna is a fe'l-e amri (commanding verb). Show me the words in this verse where it says "Allah condemns beating your wife".  

Demolition Derby a.k.a Demo

No offense there man, don't take this the wrong way... 

Please give italian a try. your points will come across much clearer and easier to understand in any language but english.

el requesto el por favorino por el italiano. 

Which 'Tafseer???'

1. Yes, the verse says 'beat them.' But it doesn't say how to beat them. Does it? Then you could beat'em with a feather or a toothbrush. Or simply beat'em with your forgiveness. Your actions reflect your intentions which matter to GOD.

2. If your sadistic heart is making you such 'fearful' of your supposedly 'loving wife's' arrogance that you are going to act based on either a mere suspicion or fear without seeking the proof, then why do you claim you're a 'believer' or more importantly why did you get married with her at the fist place?

3. GOD is all knowing, wise. The only 'right' he has bestowed upon 'human' is the 'right to choose' which according to the book even mountains said 'f@#k that right' & refused to take it! And based on the same book the 'marriage' is sacred & GOD is the third party witness between the two. Now if the husband wants to raise his hands against his wife, GOD is not only condemning such aggression but is also the key witness to such. That is why anybody could claim to be a 'Moslem' but the 'real fearful believers' are only & only known to him alone with their numbers in our country, for example, may not even exceed the nubmer of your fingers !   

...لَّعْنَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ

به به کلاس قرآن داریم!  امروز آموختیم که " اضربوهن" در
سوره نساء آیه ۳۴  یعنی با زنتان برقصید! مراد از فعل
"ضرب" هم لابد ضرب آهنگ است! یعنی با آهنگ
۶ و ۸ برقصید!   بعد هم آموختیم تفسیر بعضی آیات را فقط
خدا میداند. البته آقا معلم هم میداند ولی شکسته نفسی میکند!
البته آقا معلم میتوانست حرف آخر را اول بزند و بگوید
تفسیر آیه را نمیداند ولی چنین نکرد.  اگر به کسی نگویید
من هم آموختم که اگر آقا معلم فارسی و انگلیسی اش
میلنگد دلیل نمیشود که او عربی میداند!
"فَمَنْ حَاجَّكَ فِيهِ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ فَقُلْ
تَعَالَوْا
نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ وَنِسَاءَنَا
وَنِسَاءَكُمْ وَأَنفُسَنَا وَأَنفُسَكُمْ
ثُمَّ نَبْتَهِلْ فَنَجْعَل  لَّعْنَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ"  آل عمران ۶۱

Ah, yes

laleh bakhtiar. I know her role model, Dr Nasr. He once wrote me a letter of recommendation to go and study islamic history in grad school. Thank heavens I didnt go that route. Otherwise I would have ended up like her.

For them, Islam is more a matter of identity. They think themselves as having been so infused to islam, that they feel the need to defend it, no matter what. For them Islam is tradition, culture, identity.  

Masochistic prophet!!!

Faramarz

I guess now we know that Muhammad was into Bondage and Masochism too! Think of Aayesheh (the Dominatrix of Rasulillah) wearing leather and holding a whip looking down on the prophet of Islam: "Tell me Muhammad, do you still love that kid Ali? Do you???? Denounce him, or I'll spank your manhood!!!!" 

Fesenjoon, dude, it's not just my friend Demo

There are Iranian "scholars" who have spent all their lives trying to justify that verse.  Here:

//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/lets-meet-half-iranian-genius

Reciprocating

Faramarz

May i take this one please?:)

Then she will have the right to spank you back and then another one here and another one there...like a nice and legitimate foreplay and then both MUST use their imaginations! while repeatedly saying: oh you are so getting a piece of my love tonight baby.

Any other questions? 

Demo is now trying to TAFSEER the verse! lol!

Demo

You are wrong on 3 counts regarding this verse:

First

I thought you said there is no TAFSEER required for the Quran! Because thats EXACTLY what youre doing now: How do you know the word "beating" is symbolic? Did you pull that out of your rear end? The verse LITERALLY and unequivocally says

وَ اضْرِبُوهُنَّ

which literally means "beat them", not "beat to dance" or "beat them because you love them to death"! Do you take me for a fool? lol

Second

Do you even know Arabic? The verse doesnt say beat them if they are "guilty, in an obvious manner". It SPECIFICALLY says

وَ اللاَّتي‏ تَخافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ 

where the word takhaafoona means "if you fear" (derived from khowf), and

نُشُوزَهُنَّ

SPECIFICALLY means arrogance

(طغیان و نافرمانی)

which therefore clarifies that there is no "obvious" guilt proven anywhere; it's completely up to the husband to decide (based on his fear or suspicion) if she has crossed the line or not

Third

Even if she is GUILTY as you claim, that still doesnt give the husband the f**king right to dast boland koneh on her wife, let alone beat her. Thats simply sadistic   

Demonic Verses!

Is spanking of the wife allowed, and what if she likes the punishment? 

Of the Sadistic Hearts

The beating of wives in verse 34 of Surah 4 (prescribed only if the wife has become guilty, in an obvious manner, of immoral conduct) has left the options of such wide open with the husbands' decisions about its methods of doing it (e.g. could be as simple as pulling an ear) if such admonishment ever become necessary.

Futhermore, such beating is symbolic & like the English expression of 'loving you to death," a loving husband could simply 'beat his wife to dance!'  

"It is he who has sent down to you the book. some of its verses are
precise in meaning they are the foundation of the book and others
obscure. those whose hearts are swerving with disbelief, follow the
obscure desiring sedition and desiring its interpretation, but no one
knows its interpretation except GOD. those who are well grounded in
knowledge say: 'we believe in it, it is all from our lord. and none
remember except those who are possessed of minds" (Quran 3:7)

Islamist and Muslim are actually same thing in 2 languages

They are both Esm-e Faa'el

برای ساخت اسم فاعل از صیغه های ثلاثی مزید تمامی حروف صیغه باقی می ماند و تنها مراحل مذکور باید طی شود:

1. از فعل مضارع ساخته شود.

2. به جای حرف مضارع، میم مضموم می آید.

3. حرف ما قبل آخر آن مکسور می شود.

مثال: 

یُسلم ...  مُسلِم

why is Allah sadistic?

Demo,

can you explain why the Quran instructs men to beat their wives if they do not "submit" or if they "become arrogant"?

//quran.com/4/34

Thats quite sadistic, wouldnt you say? 

Sadism in Religion

//truereligiondebate.wordpress.com/2009/01/19...

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Never mind the definition of that word, sooner or later you have to make a decision on your own vocabulary......Is it Muslims or Islamists?........