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I am torn…Would Iran be a Theocracy if Iranians widely owned Guns?

Balatarin

The events at Sandy Hook elementary, (in Newtown, CT) follows on from a trail of horrible gun laced violence in the U.S. – everything from Columbine, to just what happened right before Sandy Hook in Oregon last week. Thousands upon thousands of innocent victims of psychotic gun violence with heavy weapons – armed machine guns – firing quick fire rounds of  bullets!

 

It makes eminent sense to contain gun ownership in the U.S. and to limit ownership – if only to keep guns away from psychos.

 

But listening to the radio talking heads, people in favor of gun ownership talk over and over again about how wide scale ownership of guns is the only guarantee of freedom in the face of tyranny. Would the basijis on their motorcycles have braved attacking millions of Iranians demonstrating on the streets of Tehran if the protestors also had guns? Would the Mullahs be in power if Iranians owned guns?

 

It’s strange how Syria’s opposition received guns quickly from Qatar and Turkey – yet Iranian demonstrators could not get ‘shit’ from anyone? It makes you think the west is behind the Mullahs. And it makes me think that the founders of America understood that wide scale gun ownership, will (and does) in the end save more lives and preserve more human dignity than a deranged psycho or two can take away.

 

Look at how many people the regime in Iran kills annually and compare stats. Iran is #2 after china (which has 15x Iran’s population) on executions. The regime makes millions of dollars selling dead prisoner’s body organs on the world black market. The regime is the biggest re-exporter of narcotics (from Afghanistan – over 70% of Afghan drugs go through Iran to Europe, Middle East and yes, even the U.S.).

 

If wide scale gun ownership puts an end to rape, brutality, tyranny, and these crimes – it might be something worth preserving. Tyranny can happen anywhere – yes, in the U.S. too – look at Pat Robertson he got 3 million votes when he ran for the Republican nomination, look at the Tea Party fanatics, look at KKK in the U.S. ….it can happen anywhere. There was wisdom to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams’ and their cohort’s thinking….

 

The tragedy was sad, very sad. But the converse is much sadder, more tragic.

Balatarin

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sayyad.shaer

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I think Baluchistan and Kurdistan will separate from Iran, and soon after, Azerbaijan will. A war will result in Khuzestan going to the Arabs. Iran will be a tiny, landlocked and resourceless country just like Afghanistan with nothing to offer the world, and our human capital would find no use because there are no resources. That's the plan for Iran.

sayyad.shaer

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No, Iran would be Afghanistan.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Assuming we want a civilized and democratic society, understanding is the most important issue.

There is so much the people don't get on the issue of guns, what is equally sad is in the USA leaders become elected because of expressing untrue views, and they are supported by a majority that are actively either misrepresenting or ignorant of the truth. So in a sense the USA and Iran have huge similarities.

US Government studies show after 8 weeks of basic training focusing on killing people, the vast majority of those trained to be soldiers and to fight in wars can not even kill a person to save their own lives. So much for the substance of the good samaritan idea, of a healthy teacher being able to protect her students by killing a 24 year old.

Furthermore this whole freedom to have a gun is a sick joke upon further inspection, produced by a society that doesn't understand the importance of justice in defending freedom. So people supposedly have a choice of living in terror of guns being readily available or under the real coercive necessity of having a gun for their own house because another person has one, is really not the definition of Freedom but the exact opposite of it. Not much of a choice.

Iran's problem is a political one, it is surprisingly not a complex one but extremely easy to grasp, though resolving it is very difficult. The first step is Awareness, who is dividing Iranians, why and how, the next issue is for people based on awareness to honestly change. Impossible to do without a sense of Identity, what it means to be a human first, the extremes and who we wish to be among humans. My Vote is to ask for what ever will make us Truly Happy, free from lies and violence, in Peace and Beauty.

trawetsdor

trawetsdor

I totally agree with you about Americans way with guns, both pros and cons. But compare it to how Latin Americas have handled guns. Although guns in US have so far acted as a balancing mediator in the Latin America it has added to the demise of their region.

The low supply of guns in Iran rests on its scarce demand among ordinary individuals . As I wrote before we don't have ways with guns, neither the expertise in handling them nor the familiarity with the concept of gun be it North or South American type. Our unfamiliarity with arms makes it even harder to accept the supply if any. If we were a gun slicking nation our situation would be different from what we are in now.

Our loyal Royal Army was shattered in 1979 and great officers were not only humiliated but also castrated professionally. Does their experience come handy in case arm struggle comes to light in Iran? I emphasize on the value of their experience, if it is not outdated, because they are not in the age bracket to perform as foot soldiers.

In addition, the decade war in our neighboring countries and the presence of US and allies have made our borders secure to gun trade. Imagine there is a guerillas fight in Iran, wouldn't it last long given the status of Sepah and Basij? How can we secure the arm supply for a long battle? Syrian civil war has taken months and requires foreign aid. Even Asad's government depends on Iran which also implies the scale of arm struggles Iranian may face if they decide to.

Are individual fighters of Iran if any able to supply and support themselves financially? How about local merchants? Are we in it with Bazar? Hozeh & Bazar have been traditionally married but in the last decade their illegitimate child i.e. Ahmadinezhad's clan have seized a hefty chunk of their power/finance and channeled it to AN's Basiji root. How disillusioned Bazar has become toward the IR? Bazar never liked MEK and it may associate guerillas fight with their memory of MEK and Marxists. We need to consider the Sepah-Basij power which is not limited to the current situation. Iran has to face their retaliatory actions big time after their official power is taken away.

I have not found any evidence with or without Iran supporting or leading to guerillas war and am not sure if we are invaded by US Iranians inside the country are going to take advantage of the situation. US, however, have kept this Damocles sword of war over Mullah's head for years. I don't believe US wants full scale war with Iran given their recent experience in the region but this War- No war situation drags this regime longer. Even if war breaks between the two it may be limited to suspected nuclear plants.

If we can't fight IR can we attract their army back toward people? Sepah is powerful, if not strong enough to face US but sure has resisted poeple's demand and can continue doing so. Are Iranians going to make amend with Sepah? We had decades of opportunity to do propaganda using Iranian-based media in abroad and ask Sepah to come back to people but we didn't. We have lost lots of opportunities because we want everything at once. We need to find one step and just one step ahead and plan for it. That step cannot be democracy. It is far fetched.





ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

Trawestsor, Like I said, I am torn. On the one side I feel very much anti-gun while living in the U.S.; and this has to be colored by my experience living in Europe where for example in Britain, very, very few cops and criminals actually carry guns. But on the other hand, I keep wondering what it would take to bring freedom, democracy and justice inside Iran. Would the Mullahs and their agents be so bold if the people could topple them? The threat of an end to power - to the powerful - is a vital component of protecting the people from Tyranny. How do we do this in Iran?

trawetsdor

trawetsdor

Ayatoilet,
I haven't been able to find any desire for arm struggle among Iranians except the fantasies of how many ways to kill a mullah. 34 years of this tyranny is enough if anybody sees her/his duty to pull a gun. What happens in Kurdestan or Sistan are not supported by majority of Iranians due to our general paranoia toward ethnic uprisings. Even the noise coming from Azerbaijan, do you hear a bullet?

I agree with you on the powerful relationship some nations such as Americans have with guns but that's America with intricacies completely different from Iran. There were powerful arm struggles in Iran which shattered and burned under Reza Shah. Those parties were not friendly to each other and I wonder how much Iran as a whole mattered to most of them. Like it or not shutting up almost all foes and even friends by Reza Shah made Iran's borders bold. His son did not have tolerance toward guns either and his successors followed many of MRP's policies and programs. The social violence albeit increasing in today’s Iran has remained mainly faithful to blade or according to Masoud Kimiai “teezee”.

The generation of Iranian revolutionaries such as MEK and IFPG adopted guerrilla fight after it had lost its appeal among the French philosophers. Perhaps Iranians were reading prints a couple of edition old. The memory of Iranians about MEK does not help either. I believe people have got their lesson on arm struggle immediately after revolution. The Arab Spring got lessons from us on some level but they are doomed to make other mistakes.

Ask yourself. There had been a lot of kidnapping in Iran for the purpose of ransom. But have you heard if any Pasdar or Mullah have been kidnapped and put in front of a camera just to humiliate IR? I do not wish MEK upon us by any means but they haven't set any firecracker event for years.
Any more thought on this?