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Does Being Anti-War Mean Supporting the Status Quo?

Balatarin

 

This is not an article; rather, it is an opinion poll. Frequenting this site and other Iranian sites, I've noticed that anyone who does not support a war with Iran or who expresses anti-war, liberal ideas in general is cast a doubtful eye by some Iranians and labeled. Why is this so? 

 

My opinion is that there is no black and white, especially not in sociopolitical matters. It's too hasty to label every Iranian liberal as a regime sympathizer and every Iranian conservative as a true Iranian patriot. Those, in my opinion, who don't believe that liberalization can be achieved without war and violence have little understanding of politics or history. But that is just my opinion, and I'll cease to express it for fear of being labeled. 

 

Why do I hold an anti-war opinion? Because Iran is weak. A war would mean Iran's disintegration and heavy civilian casualties. And because Iranians must determine their own course in history. It is asinine to complain about foreign interference and recall Iran's history with foreign powers and yet call for war or a foreign policy that embraces confrontation. It makes one no different than like-minded warmongers on the other side.

 

Can anything be expressed in the Iranian community without labels? Is this why our people have such a hard time being united or determining their own path? Is it because freedom of political expression has never been part of the Iranian experience- be its consequences manifested on a real level (thrown in prisons, tortured) or on a more benign level (labeled, shunned, gossiped about)? These are questions we must answer as a community. We are not like the Jews who are united and support one another. We are very quick to division and being judgmental. We aren't coherent, and each one of us believe he or she is right, in a very black and white, us-vs-them, either with us or against us type of way.

 

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SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Glad that you posted this. You raise some really good questions and hopefully folks will decide to have an open (and civil) discussion about this topic . The community is certainly polarized.

Looking forward to sharing my personal thoughts on this thread when time permits.

Roozbeh_Gilani

Roozbeh_Gilani "Personal business must yield to collective interest."

@SaidAmin: Indeed many folks here who object to NIAC, like myself are very much anti-war. I actualy used to support what I perceived to be Anti_war stance of NIAC, until I decided to scratch the surface of the anti-war facade to see the ugly face of an organisation who'd go to any length, prolonging the suffering of Iranian people under the facsist regime, in order to facilitate the deals between the oil cartels and islamist regime, over the blood of Iranian people.
I asked very politely Mr. parsi today to defend himself and his organisation on this matter. His response: Delete my question and block me!

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Delete your questions and Block you, LOL sounds like he is one of the remnants of Mossadeghollah, That is the kind of behavior we see from people who say they are the future of democracy for Iran, because they are hypocrites.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

Trita is being constantly attacked by not only AIPAC but also the supporter of the the Iranian regime . The Iranian hardliners who are against any diplomatic relationship with the U.S. and who are screaming death to the U.S have not been shy calling him an agent either. This time an Agent of U.S..

Labeling is the characteristics of the RADICALS on both sites .. After all BiBI and VF are two sides of the same coin ....

The sad thing is that many commentators on IC have been using the worse language possible addressing him and his organization not to even mention all the BS that his interns had to endure by just posting an article on this site ... This guy has put up with all of them more than enough and now they are crying wolf on behalf of freedom of speech ... Give me a break ! Would you ?

Some here have no class and that has nothing to do with their point of views ... Please note that I said some not all .... but those few are enough to turn this forum to a place worse than any chaleh meydoon !

The amount of insults and accusations that I have seen being bestowed upon Trita and NIAC on this site ( old and new ) is beyond belief ... At least show some class and have some respect towards yourself if not anyone else! If you are the educated western residing opposition then , Oh well , that's a shame !


jirandoust

jirandoust

Finally, a post on IC worth commenting on. Thank you, Sayyad!

The fact is that there is no shortage of armchair generals among west residing Iranians particularly on this IC site. Those who are so blinded by hatred of IRI that can not wait for the Americans and/or Israelis bombs to start falling on Iranians heads. They fail to see the disastrous consequences of such war against Iran. They fail to see Tehran turn into a rerun of Baghdad and killing of innocent Iranians on daily basis. They fail to see the partitioning of Iran, into god knows how many pieces, as the result of war on Iran. They fail to see...

You know, I can understand AIPAC's and MEK's (Mujahedeen) pro-war stance on Iran. Their war mongering reasons are aplenty, none which has anything to do with Iran's and Iranian people's welfare. What I don't understand is those Iranians who claim to be patriots or nationalists and follow these guys like sheep and advocate war on their motherland.
To those people all I have to say is...wake up people, please before it's too late. Regardless of our vast difference of opinions, let's unit under this one vital banner. Iran's future existence may depend on it.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Thank you for the best post I have read on this site so far. You're right, but watch now as ten of the usual suspects jump in anger.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

How did the USSR fall? It was on its last legs but there was clever DIPLOMACY that brought the likes of Gorbachev to dismantle the foundations of the system. Without diplomacy, regimes do not liberalize/change. With war, a more reactionary regime results. With violence and threats, the hardliners gain more consolidation. This is basic political theory and practice as one can observe in history. Anything that can lower the threat of war leaves the regime with less support from people who fear that they will be invaded/attacked. That's how the regime loses its foundation.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Talk of war is to keep the IRI in Power as they love the IRI and really never intend to remove them.

IRANLOVESISRAEL

IRANLOVESISRAEL Shlomo would love to entertain you and your significant other at his Kabab-Hammoom parlor in your next trip to Tel Aviv.

This has got nothing to do with being pro-war or anti-war.

Here is the simple logic.

IRI is criminal. Iranians hate IRI. NIAC supports IRI => Iranians don't trust NIAC.

Now you can replace NIAC in the relationship above with XYZ organization and it still holds true!


sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

The post isn't about NIAC.

NIAC is a side discussion.

This is about Iranians who see death and destruction of their country as a better alternative than diplomacy and liberalization.

The USSR fell the same way the IRI will fall if diplomacy is given a chance. Most of the Iranian people want and deserve better than this. A war will kill many of them and drive most of them into the regime's arms. Why does anti-war and pro-diplomacy have to be equated with NIAC, and then equated with vatan-forushi?

IRANLOVESISRAEL

IRANLOVESISRAEL Shlomo would love to entertain you and your significant other at his Kabab-Hammoom parlor in your next trip to Tel Aviv.


Amoo saYyaD Jon, I have never met any genuine Iranians who would wish death, destruction and war upon other Iranians. In fact, all of the Iranians of level-headed nature prefer gradual elimination of IRI and its ideology through death by aging!

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

I hope what you are saying is correct, but there are people who support war with Iran that are Iranians themselves- sanctions are considered war, blockading ports are war, etc. What has been going on is war and no diplomacy, it's been over thirty years and neither side has opened up to talk. They keep one-upping each other by proposing conditions neither side will accept knowing fully well. They are both benefiting from putting the Iranian people through this rollercoaster.

faraway

faraway

who are these Iranians who want death and destruction of their country??Who are they on this site??

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

Anonymous Observer, Fred, Divaneh, Shazde Astollah Mirza, Faramarz, Hasan Dai, et al.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

I hope you don't read my words angrily, I actually like you.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

The ones who want war and foreign intervention, who support MKO or AIPAC, who want more sanctions, who want the regime forcefully removed with help from the outside. They want something that really equates to death and destruction. Diplomacy is the route to regime liberalization and eventual change. It's happened many times in history with belligerent regimes.

You didn't answer my question, where did I make the pro-NIAC anti-war connection?

faraway

faraway

You are a very affable guy and I like you. I value your feedback on IC. However, I am surprised that you have chosen to defend NIAC in a round about way.

Again, name those Iranians who are pro AIPAC or pro war on IC??

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

I'm not defending NIAC! I'm not agaainst them either. I don't know enough about them to make an opinion, I just saw people talking about the anti-war and it made me think of Iranians who want war.

jirandoust

jirandoust

How about these XYZ substitutions:

IRI is criminal. Iranians hate IRI. APAC supports war on Iran - so does MEK => Iranians don't trust either one => so they rally around IRI

IRANLOVESISRAEL

IRANLOVESISRAEL Shlomo would love to entertain you and your significant other at his Kabab-Hammoom parlor in your next trip to Tel Aviv.

IRI choob to sorakh Israel kard for 34 years. IRI supported Palestinian suicide bombers for 34 years. Israel hates IRIR => Israel wants war on IRI. This has nothing to do with Iranians though!

sayyad.shaer

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Exactly, my point summed up in a good logical sequence. All the warmongers fail to see that they are continuing to imprison their own people. It's like a double whammy- strengthening of the regime + bombs falling on their heads. It ends in civil war and partitioning. Then these same tazahori Iranians will cry about their motherland right after Iran is partitioned and occupied by NATO forces.

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masoudA

masoudA

Proof? for TP to be a self serving bum and nokar? Just up to 2009, he distanced himself and NIAC from human rights issues in Iran!!! If you are an Iranian/American and have no human rights issues with Iran under Islam....then you are just American.

farhangpooya

farhangpooya In all situations, in or outside power, social problems require social solutions (در همه شرايط، در حاكميت و يا خارج از حاكميت، مشكلات اجتماعى راه حل هاى اجتماعى طلب مى كنند)

جنگ طلبان نوكر صفت و مزدور ميدانند كه اكثريت قريب به اتفاق مردم ايران با پشت سر گذاشتن تجربه هشت ساله جنگ ايران و عراق، و پيامدهاى حمله نظامى به أفغانستان و عراق و ليبى شديداً ضد جنگ و خواهان دموكراسى، آزادى مى باشند.
اين جنگ طلبان انتظار دارند كه بعد از فشارهاى اقتصادى نأشى از تحريم ها مردم به خيابان ها ميريزند و خواهان تغيير رژيم مىشوند
در چنين شرايطى اين مزدوران با حمايت مالى و نظامى كشورهاى مرتجع عرب همچون قطر، عربستان و ... و اسرائيل و نئو كان هاى امريكا و محافظه كاران اروپا جنبش آزادى خواهى را همچون سوريه به يك جنگ كور تبديل مى كنند، ايران را قطعه قطعه مى كنند، تسلط خود را بر مناطق نفت و گاز و ... حاكم ميكنند و بقيه مردم را به حال خود ميگذارند.
در چنين شرايطى ما به حضور و وجود يك كمپين دموكراتيك كه با شيوه اى مدرن بتواند مانع چنين سناريوى وحشتناكى شود نيازمنديم. كمپينى كه راى مستقيم افراد حقيقى و نه مجازى ساخته و پرداخته لابى هاى جنگ طلب باشد. چنين كمپينى ميتواند به يك بازوى قدرت ايرانيان خارج تبديل شود، خواست هاى ايرانيان داخل را منعكس كند و با جلب حمايت افكار عمومى در اروپا و امريكا عليه جمهورى اسلامى مبارزه كند و مانع تسلط قدرت هاى زورگوى جهانى شود و با تلاش هاى پيگيردموكراسى و آزادى را در ايران بر پا كند.

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The Author of this article and a whole lot of people must understand and recognize the Fact That Iran is a Country under Occupation of the ISLAMIST. from any angle one looks at the Rulers in Iran you clearly see how this regime treats and conducts its daily activities in a manner synonymous with an OCCUPYING FORCE. How to deal with this is only through WAR.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Diplomacy is the key to this cultural evolution. If we learn that diplomacy and argument with logic can actually change things on the ground, we will as a culture move slowly towards accepting non-manipulative argument and peaceful means of dissent. We were so close in 2009 to evolving, we just need to continue it. Many people died in MLK's movement or were imprisoned, just as in Gandhi's movement. We need the patience to accept that and not stoop to the other side's level. Instead we don't have patience, we're like a boiling pot, any little increase of heat will blow our tops off.

Diplomacy is the best way, and its easier than we think. We just need to stop being such an extremist (yes, with or without the IR, we are extremists; in fact the mullahs took advantage of our dualism and extremism to ascend to power) culture. We need to learn to be civilized and that is not through war. You think Libyans are ready for democracy? Let me tell you when I saw the guy putting a knife into Gadhafi's butt, I knew from that moment that Libya will continue living in its nightmare.

sayyad.shaer

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I understand your viewpoint, but how is this assertion any different from the mullah parast's war obsession? It's only the flipside of the same coin. Iranians need peace, not constant upheaval. We haven't attacked another country in 200 years because we are too busy attacking ourselves.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Thanks, I hope the discussion that ensues is indeed a civil one. I also hope to get some of the big-shots that have recently joined to comment.