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faramarz

Faramarz

I hate to burst your bubble Soosan Khanoom and ruin your NIAC tea party here, but the same way that Obama was a disappointment to Trita and the gang so will be his new appointments, Hagel and Kerry.

There was a time back in Clinton years when some thought that the Regime is reformable and the US made some advances towards negotiations. Those days are long gone. At this point the debate is how best to help Iranians to get rid of this Regime. Obama's strategy all along has been to weaken the Regime through sanctions and build a shield around Iran to minimize damage.

That policy will continue and intensify, until the Regime surrenders.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

The regime will not surrender. Nor is America in any position to make it surrender; nor, for that matter, will the American public sit back and allow another frivolous war.

Sanctions don't work on pulling regimes down. They only hurt the common man, woman and child, and by so doing push these otherwise politically neutral men, women and children on the ground into the bosom of the very regime you are attempting to remove.

As far as weakening Iran geostrategically, the opposite has happened. America strengthened Iran by removing Saddam and allowing the regime to fill in the vacuum left behind. The Saudi's days are numbered because of massive internal contradictions of that regime and a population which keeps getting more and more restless (wait and see what happens in the next twelve months). The gamble made by the corrupt Gulf regimes in Syria has not paid off yet, and the Lebanese Hezbollah is twice as strong today as it was in 2006.

Factor in China and Russia's absolute refusal to allow a regime change in Iran, and I would say your scenario is completely naive and without a single prospect of success. Unfortunately yours is the thinking of the vast majority of North American Iranian expatriates who have virtually no understanding of realpolitik or an adequate grasp of realities on the ground. For good or ill, the IRI will be around for at least the next twenty years until some Ayatollah Gorbachev rises within the system to fill in the highest seat. That is not going to happen with the current guard in power.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

NK, you have mentioned some valid facts some of which west is also well aware of.
Also, IRI's dishonoring of the basic human rights, as masud suggested, by far has helped the west more than anything else..

I strongly believe that the human rights issue inside Iran is going to soon or later bring iRI down ... IRi is its own worst enemy ! That happened to Russia to... They were their worst enemy !

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

It took the USSR over 70 years to fall, and they had a vast and diverse ethnic population spread out throughout their Communist empire far more unruly than Iran's.

The human rights issue, in my view, is exaggerated (I don't say it doesn't happen, but overplayed); and, besides, the West has no business telling developing countries about their human rights records (even when bad) when their own is far worse. America, as far as I am concerned, is the world's greatest hypocrite and abuser on that score, so I put zero stock in anything the imperial government of global unilateralism has to say. Nor does America possess the moral compass to tell anyone anything about human rights anymore.

Whatever the problems with the current situation, which are many, the fact is the next decade will be a decade of global geostrategic re-aligments. I predict the American empire will be forced to recede or will simply collapse altogether (which is a good thing in my book). China, Russia and the BRIC countries will rise even further -- with China effectively becoming the global superpower by 2016-20 -- and as such the world will look very different than what it does now.

Eventually the IRI will have to deal with the issue of civil liberties simply by virtue of its rising population and the fact that those entering the civil service and government sectors in coming years will be demanding more and more of it. But as long as the current guard maintains power, I simply cannot see how they will allow this issue to be put back on the table again given what a headache the Khatami years turned out to be for them together with the aftermath of the 2009 elections. I hope and would like to be proven wrong on this, but all evidence at the moment points me to these factors -- and not what the North American expatriate sub-culture wishes them to be.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

NK,

Again many valid points ...agree with most but fall of the U.S would not necessary means a better thing. Just means it is the time in the history that a superpower fall only to make room for another one to appear. Always with power comes corruptions and injustices ... This time perhaps universal language will be chinese and not English ..lol ..... other than that anything else is going to remian the same.. That is human nature ...Power and Greed !

Also please note that any regime that dishonors human rights shall fall one way or another ... more than politics it is a promise of nature ! I meant that when I said IRI is its own worst enemy ...otherwise I agree with you that human rights has been dishonored in many other places as well ..

Thanks for your comments and inputs.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

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Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

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faraway

faraway

Your talking points are verbatim MOIS issued and approved and largely debunked many times. . Don't you think it's time for a new set of propaganda meme?

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

Debunk them, Vildemose khanoom. Waves of hand without considered argument is no substitute for considered argument, or don't they teach you these things in the RUHI courses?

faraway

faraway

Dear, check the archive. The proof is in the pudding. Your masters have been begging to negotiate and they are doing so as we speak...Your nonsense as always is wortheless.

I love vildemose. I miss her dearly...

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

My masters don't exist in this world and the mullahs are not my masters, nor do I believe in any government (whether the IRI or the USA's or anywhere elses). But if I had to choose, which I haven't yet, it certainly would be Iran's government (whether that government be an absolutist monarchy, a constitutional monarchy, an Islamic republic, a secular republic or a military dictatorship because it is, after all, Iran's government and Iran is my motherland) and not the government of some white racist ajnabi crook who looks down his nose at both you and I and will never consider us his equal because his only concern is to fatten his own belly and fill his own pocket. Check the archives for that.

Again, bs waves of hand is not a substitute for argument. If you've got one, let's hear it, otherwise buzz off back to your RUHI course.

faraway

faraway

NK, Whaid, maryam joon, peacok, MCI: You are a known ra ci st. You are driven by hate because of what they did to you when you were a child...You were banned a hundred times on the previous IC. As a racist, you are worthless to me. And stop accusing me of being Bahai.

You will never heal until you get rid of your callous hatred of innocent people. You don't really like yourself much otherwise, you would have seen the folly of your ra ci st life.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

Yes, I believe Anglo-European white elites to be Nazi scum. If that makes me a racist, so be it. Of course, these are the same people who invented racism.

Whatever, to the rest of your comment. Get a life yourself, pathetic fool!

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

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Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

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SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

As you know I am neither democrat nor republican .. i am only awake ! I see things as is and I post things as is .. with a critical mind and I do give credit where it is due ...

It is interesting and quite amusing to see that the bashing campaign on both Hagel and Trtia is operating so similarly !

Now, I mentioned that Hagel has never been unkind to Israel ...haven't I ?

Thanks


faramarz

Faramarz

Well then, let's hope that your critical mind will allow you to see different points of view regarding Hagel, and not see them as bashing. Every new nominee to critical posts gets this; Hilary did, so did Panetta, and they both turned out to be great public servants. Hagel will prove to be the same.

Now, as for Trita, he wants to sell the narrative that Obama wants to kiss Rahbar if only AIPAC would allow it!

faraway

faraway

Obama has shown with his tough sanction policies , which will become tougher in Feb. that he is no different than Bush. Trita still has not learned that the US foreign policy is independent of Presidency.

faramarz

Faramarz

Actually he is different than W Bush.
While W talked tough and called them the Axis of Evil, Cheney's Haliburton was doing business with the Regime. Obama in contrast, has stopped almost every major company in the world to do business with the Regime Mafia.

Persa

Persa http://iranian.com/main/member/jeesh-daram.html

.....of course with the exception of Ekhvanol-Moslemin and Free Masonry, the only two major organizations that are allowed full cooperation with Iran and are excempt from the UN sanctions.

faraway

faraway

True. Obama has done the same with the domestic policies too. The corporate taxes are at the lowest of anytime in US history and corporate profits are at all time high at anypoint in US history while Obama keeps talking about protecting the mainstreet rather than Wall street.

faraway

faraway

Could not agree more. Though, I still think the US wants to keep Iran Islamic and theocratic. The Reformers also serve the interest of the US.

Regarding Kerry, his grandfather was Jewish. Hagel will also disappoint, Palestinian firsters, anti-US commies.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Faramarz Obama has only been working to keep the regime, not make it surrender, but make it containable so it serves the USA to keep them.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

My views didn't come from the media, but reading what the interests are of those around him who helped him get elected.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Read my article on The Iranian Prisoner's dilemma. I explain exactly how the sanctions are working and with what aims they will affect Iran.

tetrapharmakos

tetrapharmakos

This is my thing with Trita talking about Hagel..........The latter will not be able to delete/block those members of the senate committee who want to give him third degree....In simple language: It's more than enough about this Trita fellow............NIAC has to wake up and smell the coffee before it's all burnt out.............Parsi has to be sacked in the name, and for the cause of democracy....................NIAC has to commit itself to a substantial restructuring before it's fast changing into a cult.............Wake up NIAC..........wake up..............

Those of us in dire need of knowing more why the filthy Zionists oppose Hagel are more than capable of finding plenty of credible articles on the web.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

NIAC is functioning in this country and has to abide to this countries rule. I have a feeling that no matter what Trita does there is always an Iranian somewhere who comes out unsatisfied.
I also do not think so NIAC has turned to a cult ! it is a political organization mostly leaning towards democrats and is supported by democrates and left wing pro Israelis groups.

Khers

Khers

خودتون رو خفه کردید با این تریتا پارسی‌. هر کسی‌ که با جمهوری کثیف اسلامی مماشات میکنه باید بیفته تو سطل آشغال.

faraway

faraway

vaghan, az daste in quisling khasteh shodim. kardanesh mesle ye bot in doror bariyash..farda mibini aksesho too ghorse mah ham mibinan..vaghan digeh shoresho in niac va nochehash dar avordan..baba velsh konin...dareh noon mikhoreh...

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SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

Masoud,

Perhaps. but this specific group are good even in accusing a nation and they are good at destroying it too ... It is getting worse but these fools are only digging their own graves ... what goes up must come down ..that's the law of nature !

Hagel has never been unkind to Israel but his independence and his anti war position in regards to Iran has made him a target. Kristol, who also heads the far-right Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) as well as other right wing neocons in the States have accused Hagel with anti-Semitism and hostility toward the Jewish state. Perhaps some of these days someone will post a so called report and accuses him of being an IRI agent too ...

By the way , I read the report that was posted earlier / another trita bashing moment / ... The report on its introduction page clearly stated that it is questionable cause they had no choice but to rely on some online sites and blogs to gather these info ... in other words it is a gossip report ..





NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

"Perhaps some of these days someone will post a so called report and accuses him of being an IRI agent too ..."

Precious. You nailed it here.

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Shirzadegan

Siavash

"serving US/Israel interest" Masoud5
Not quiet serving. During shah days, Iran was not serving US/Israel interest. They had peaceful relationship. Even I rather say : U.S with all progressive universities and admit Iran students to go to America and get educated or Israel hospitals with modern technology were accepting Iranian patients for surgery and saving their lives, they were serving Iranian people.

faraway

faraway

You think your regime has not served US/Israel interest in the past 34 years?

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

LOL !

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faraway

faraway

Really?? Enriching THE MIC and liing up their own pocket and the Russian mafia, Chinese mafia and all the other oil mafia are called serving Iran? What about those neo-liberal economic policies that only serve the transnational corporations??
You are not very bright my friend...

NahshahnahMullah

Nah shah nah Mullah

You are spot on regarding Iran and why regime change is not as easy as people are lead to blieve.

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faraway

faraway

masoud5: Like I said, you are not very bright. The global economic mafia and transnationals interests are one and the same. US and China economically speaking are one and the same. Of course, you can't grasp those ideas being so obssessed with the joooooooos.

Let me ask you this.

Do you believe that the mullahs have served the Iranian and the Iranian's nations interests? Have they served your interest?? Did you get rich after the revolution??