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Mr. Amin Have you intentionally blocked two blogs protesting WaterHero's suspension?

@SaidAmin 

Dear Mr. Amin, this is a very simple and direct question.  The answer to this question means a lot to me.   The two blogs had toops and comments as soon as they were posted.  I saw them both very briefly on the front page but they both disappeared from the front page.  The link to the blogs are as follows:

 

http://iranian.com/posts/view/post/3569

http://iranian.com/posts/view/post/3571

 

As the thread to your own blog on this subject is closed, I would very much appreciate an answer here in this blog.

 

With respect

Balatarin

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Mehrban

Mehrban

Said, WH would get killed in Iran for what he said. He got banned here. There was no room for comments on the blog where this ban was announced. You took the two blogs protesting the ban away from the first page (in spite of toops and comments) and buried them. There is also an alarming quality to your words "dictate", "I expect" in your discourse about the site.

This makes me think that you may not be aware of the value of what you have inherited. You have inherited the (only) place in the (entire) Iranian media where Iranians (with or without “skill”) could come to and speak their minds. It was (with all its shortcomings) an amazing accomplishment. I hope you will uphold its legacy.

faraway

faraway

Mehrban: Indeed, the tone is alamring. The trust also we have put in this site is taken for granted and maybe we are at fault for allwoing this to happen.

Mehrban

Mehrban

Dear Faraway, as you well know there is no such thing as inalienable rights, they are only inalienable if one lives live in a State (Country) that considers such rights inalienable. In the private realm it is much simpler, it is at discretion of the patron. I agree, the customer (let's say) does have some power to redirect things.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Whatever this guy said on his site, I think it would endanger a lot of us here because we'd be associated with things like that on this site. Next thing you know, IC becomes black listed in Iran as an anti-Islamic site and all members are looked up and we cant go back to Iran or our families are given trouble there.

faraway

faraway

IC is already black listed. I thought you've never been to Iran??

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

I was speaking on behalf of all. Yes, I haven't been to Iran, but I' have a lot of family currently there and have seen them in Dubai and the surrounding areas.

Roozbeh_Gilani

Roozbeh_Gilani "Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Dear Mehrban: Thanks for this blog. I think lots of people share your sentiments. You know I wrote one of the two blogs you are referring to.Having to put up with an Islamo fascist government for the past 34 years have made us as a nation very alert and sensitive to being censored. On the other hand we have become very inventive in by passing the censorship:)

My request to the young person "Walter Hero" if he/she is reading this: Please come back to this site. Dont let ANYONE stop you from telling what you feel is the truth. But PLEASE take note of what the site owner said and express your opinions in a way which would not break the site rules. and remember:

ما بیدی نیستیم که از این بادها بلرزیم.

Mehrban

Mehrban

I also want to add this because many on this site have been lamenting the beating of Sattar Beheshti that resulted in his death.

Remember, in Beheshti's case too someone found what he wrote in his blog offensive.

BahramtheIranian

Bahram I only wear my own watch

the problem with old IC was any body could call muslims every names in the book under the banner of 'noting is sacred' , but the other religions were all sacred!! some even more sacred than other. the only not-so-sacred was Islam!!
I m starting to like this IC, much better than the rival one!!

Mehrban

Mehrban

Furthermore, in the light of today's events I think the Site's motto "nothing is sacred" has been rendered somewhat meaningless.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the founder/CEO of World Singles Networks, a leading provider of niche online dating services and the Publisher of Iranian.com.

It has, and thus, it will be dropped.

khalehmosheh

khaleh mosheh

Oh dear- I had come to believe the motto of the site was indeed itself sacred. What is the world coming to- Is not anything sacred anymore?

Mehrban

Mehrban

Dear Faramarz,

I really do appreciate your comments and input in this and thank you for posting WH's comment or part of it.

I can see that his comment can be quite offensive to many people. However, there is nothing in this statement that is not covered by the "Freedom of Speech". In a free society WaterHero would free to say "Islam is all this ! it is a cult of rape , murder , and crimes against humanity, . How come followers of this Savage cult have not realised this fact yet .?" That is what we (Iranians) have to come to terms with. Freedom of speech means that WaterHero can SAY that and not be banned from the society.

Mehrban

Mehrban

Dear Faramarz,
Do we even know what WaterHero actually said? I know what the other two blogs said and they were "moved" from the front page. Isn't free Speech the corner stone of Democracy? Isn't free Speech what we talk about here day in and day out? I see many Johova's witnesses in my town talking about their religion in public, and they don't go to jail or get whipped.

Tehran4Iran

Tehran4Iran

I know my comments may be deleted, and perhaps my ID would get blocked. I don't care about that, I have to say what is in my mind. If our people exercize this basic right in Iran, it would be a shame if we let them down, and hold our thoughts, and belives in for the sake of an ID.

Tehran4Iran

Tehran4Iran

If what Faramarz included in his comment is what was said in WaterHero's blog, I don't see any thing wrong with it. In fact it is exactly what I feel about Islam.
What is wrong here is that Admin thinks he is a rahbar, and haz veto power, I don't think abybody died, and made him the social media king or Rahbar.
Oh one more thing, I just wonder what we have an option for "Toop", but none for Thumbs down ?
Reminds me of when we had to go to Iranian embassy, and vote for IRI, they only has a stamp for ARY (Yes), and no option for "Na) or No..

faramarz

Faramarz

Here is a part of what he said,
Islam is all this ! it is a Cult of Rape , murder , and crimes against Humanity, . How come followers of this Savage CULT have not realised this fact yet .?

Mehrban

Mehrban

Thank you Mr. Amin for the response. I can not help but ask what makes you so sure that the issue of "Free Speech" will not be interesting to the average Iranian user. Isn't Free Speech or lack there of exactly what we mostly write about here?

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the founder/CEO of World Singles Networks, a leading provider of niche online dating services and the Publisher of Iranian.com.

I am not sure of anything with full certainty Mehrban. You are right, some may indeed revel in such content. Freedom of speech in this arena (read: IDC) is dictated by my and the incoming editors' rules, which in the coming weeks will be published. While I generally consider myself to be a tolerant, open-minded, patient soul, at some point one is moved to draw a line in the sand. The suspended member had a track record of inflammatory statements and I felt that enough is enough. I have sat back for a few weeks and observed how members behave in an environment with little to no censorship - my take is that bullies bully the civil and that's not going to float. Abusive behavior, hate speech, will simply lead to the removal of ones profile. Constructive dialogue is however expected.

Agreeing to disagree in a civil manner is a skill. Looking forward to seeing more of a constructive dialogue between members that we can all respect; even while acknowledging our differences.

Mehrban

Mehrban

I appreciate that you took the time to write a comment in my response. Mr. Amin I am speaking from the point of view of the principle of Free Speech which its absence is the fundamental problem of the present day Iran. Of course you are free to "dictate" as you or your editors wish on your own site. No question there. But with all due respect, in the part of the comment made by the banned blogger (kindly posted by Faramarz) I see a potentially offensive comment but no bullying. The commentator was merely expressing an opinion. Many of us may not like that opinion but that was his opinion. In a free environment and because of the principle of Free Speech, people are free to express their opinions even if it may offend others.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the founder/CEO of World Singles Networks, a leading provider of niche online dating services and the Publisher of Iranian.com.

I appreciate "Mr. Amin" but please feel free to call me Said or Saïd.

I hear you, but respectfully disagree. His body of work (notably comments), imo created a less civil place. Again, expressing ones self & debating constrictively is a skill -- whether at a presidential debate, having dinner at my house or posting anonymously online, I do have a level of expectation for how we represent ourselves and treat others.

@Roozbeh_Gilani To blame civility (or lack thereof) on multiple user id's is a bit of a cop cop out. One of my favorite quotes is: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out." This too will be addressed in the coming weeks.

Roozbeh_Gilani

Roozbeh_Gilani "Personal business must yield to collective interest."

@saidamin. I hear you. But the problem is that the bully has no character.
Anyway, thanks for the responses and looking forward to more civil days on this site.
time to sleep.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the founder/CEO of World Singles Networks, a leading provider of niche online dating services and the Publisher of Iranian.com.

Me too. Sleep well Roozbeh. Life is good!

Roozbeh_Gilani

Roozbeh_Gilani "Personal business must yield to collective interest."

And the bullies Bully because they have multiple user ID's. The normal practice for Bullies is to have one "Civil" User ID "to keep" and a number of attacking, rude, bullying user ID's to "take out" those of us who happen to have opposing views and have no time or inclinations to create multiple user ID's.
I have said it before and I say it again: Once you fix the problem of multiple user ID's , you have fixed the problem of bullyinmg, hate speech and all that which inevitably affects your site and it's readership.
my two cents

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Said so well that if I didn't know any better, I'd assume you were speaking from experience.