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Fueling Separatism: Brenda Shaffer, Distinguished Harvard Professor

Balatarin

 

Brenda Shaffer is an Israeli-educated professor at the Caspian Studies Program at Harvard University who stresses that the Azerbaijanis are a separate Turkic people whose nation has been split between Iran and Russia for 200 years. She maintains that there was a nation known as Azerbaijan, a kingdom, before it was forcefully taken over by Iran and Russia. She gets paid by certain initiatives and corporations to rewrite history like this and plays very well into Pan-Turk myths.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Borders-Brethren-Challenge-Azerbaijani-International/dp/B0076TUGM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358060827&sr=8-1&keywords=borders+and+brethren

 

However, her book, Borders and Brethren, brings up very well researched evidence that most Azerbaijani's in the Republic of Azerbaijan dislike Iran and there is a growing sentiment in Southern  Azerbaijan to separate and join their brothers in the north. She also maintains that there never was such a thing as "Iranian" national identity, and that it was molded in response to the carving up of the Ottoman empire after World War 1. 

 

I want to hear some thoughts on this...

 

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh- Evan Siegel's review of Shaffer's book:

http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/pan-turanism/evan-siegels-review-of-brenda-shaffers-book-on-iranian-azarbaijan/

 

Article by Dr. Kaveh Farrokh on Pan-Turkism and "Southern Azerbaijan" with piece on Dr. Shaffer (with similarities between Yugoslavia dismemberment and planned Iran dismemberment):

 

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/english-library/pan-turanism4/index.htm

 

Why does it seem to me that all professors nowadays have an agenda?

Balatarin

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choghok

choghok Your enemie's enemy is necessarily not a friend.

Has Israel, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia or Iraq existed before? At least Iranian map was not drawn by foreigners like Israel or Saudi, neither has Azerbaijanis been second class citizens like minorities in Israel. They hold the highest ranks in the country.

sayyad.shaer

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And this is how she rewrites history. She's a HARVARD professor at that, too. I bet you she receives money from AIPAC and other special interest groups. Some of what she writes in her book is so blatantly ignorant of history that no matter how many brackets, citations, et.al.'s, and footnotes, it cannot be disguised as academic.

ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

Schaffer is not only very confused on the actual historical case, but is in fact a proxy for an Israeli/British agenda. Israel has military bases in Azerbaijan and has at its core element in the supposed attack on Iran a plan to engage from Azerbaijan... and thus needs to foment Azeri support. And Britain has a real concern with 25% of its GDP now coming from milking Azeribaijan and (Iran's) Caspian Sea reserves. BP (Britain) also controls all exports from the Caspian by owning and operating the pipeline across Azerbaijan that all oil companies use. There are additional (major) fields nearer Iran, and a grab of Iran's northern provinces (just like the break up of the Soviet Union/and the unilateral annulment of the Turkmenchay Treaty) would enable them to exploit those fields too. This is all a pretext to war, and more oil and gas 'grab'. There might be a simple solution to all this, if the Mullahs were NOT western nokars....and that would be for Iran to simply invade Azerbaijan. It would settle all arguments and bring back Iranian Caspian Sea oil and gas back into Iranian hands (where it belongs). One final point, if this so called professor needs any real understanding of how much Azeri's are part of the greater Iranian family ...she only has to travel to Baku on March 21st and witness how incredibly the Azeris celebrate No- ruz...and then she'll know for sure that they are even more Iranian - than Iranians themselves. This is another Israeli jendeh....she's currently a visiting professor at Azerbaijan's Diplomat Academy (where they train foreign service diplomats) and a professor of University of Haifa (where Israel's new Oil and Gas industry is based ...they have just discovered major fields off the Israeli and Lebanese coast lines), and the program she was involved with at Harvard is financially supported by major oil companies engaged in the Caspian Sea (Chevron etc.). Baku is less than 100 km from Iran's border ...need I say more!!?? Oh, and one final point, look at the papers she has published, and you will understand what is going on in Syria today and what will happen in Lebanon ...and eventually Iran. The Israelis plan to build a pipeline across Lebanon and Syria to Turkey's Nabucco pipeline to Europe to export their natural gas; and the pretext of war with Iran will only be to grab Iran's oil rich Southern Persian Gulf and Northern Caspian regions. Iranians CAN NOT let that happen. If nothing else, her writings have tipped Israel/Britain's hands....

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

With people like you Ayatoilet, Iranians should just give up control of Azarbaijan to the Brits....
Your views give life to and are the true reason for the success of the policy of divide and rule for Iran for the last century.
1) you don't openly acknowledge the late shah was one of the most democratically acting leaders of his time.
2) you don't openly acknowledge as a lie nor do you condemn those who say that Savak tortured iranians.
3) You don't openly congratulate the era of the pahlavi's as being one of the greatest Iran had enjoyed up till then,
4) You don't acknowledge the pahlavi's for focusing on developing the foundations for Iran to be a leading democracy.
5) You don't condemn Mossadegh for unnecessarily giving up Irans share or Iraqi/Kuwaiti/Bahrain oil as only a foreign agent would do.
6) You speak in favor of Obama openly who did not stand with Iranians or their wish to rebel for their freedom
7) You don't openly acknowledge Obama, who called our late shah a dictator, as a major violator of human rights.

Honestly, be fair, the confusion is clearly not on her part. With people like you wanting to serve Iran, who really needs enemies? You are the central pillar of the military base empire of the USA and you even act as if you are innocent and clueless about it. Except your 7 not so innocent actions show other wise.

sayyad.shaer

Sayyad Sha'er visit: www.sayyadshaer.com

Hala rajebe etefaghi ke ye nasle pish be Iran oftade dorost migi; sabete ke kiya Shaho barandakhtano in hokumato tahmil kardan vali dar morede Mossadegh malom nist ke vaghan baraye Rusa ya Ingilisiya kar mikard. Badesham dastanayi ke rajebe SAVAK migan haghighatan, khiyal mikoni vezarate etela'ate alan kiya dorost kardan? Faghad oni ke nemigan ine ke be SAVAK Amrika va Esrael amozesh dad har shekanjeyi ona mikardan az vezarataye etela'ate ona fara gereftan. Har hukumati, har cheghadr demokratikam bashe niyaz be ye sazemane amniyati dare va ona donbale shokhiyo bazi kardan nistan lol...

ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

Amirparviz-jan: Tekitizi,tekitizi, tekitizi...I need to buy you a few strong drinks!! What does all this have to do with my comment? Huh? I am talking about this Israeli broad - who is probably in bed with some young handsome Azeri diplomat right this minute as I write (its probably 2 am in some fancy Hotel room in Baku) - this has nothing to do with the Shah or Obama ... its all about Israel trying to pump up Azeri's to do some dirty work for them vis-a-vis Iran! But more likely Jendeh-Khanum is having them do some dirty work on her. I just hate it when people get paid money to write shit - which is what she has done - another form of prostitution!!

sayyad.shaer

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Aslan malom nist kodom safire Azarbayjani in jadugaro mikone lol aslan khodet negah kon be nazare to agha Ayatuwalet in zanike aslan kardaniye? LOL

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

If Shah was around this could not be going on and Iran would today be in an entirely different stratosphere, far more democratic than the USA. Obama is too filthy for words to express and those who have supported such a polarizing and criminal figure already know what a huge mistake they have made, it will get worse with him based on Obama's policy trajectory of mass assassinations all over the world.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

I'll tell you later, I am mad at you because you are a very creative person and its a shame so many good Iranians are so distant from their good heritage and the issues of the day as a result of the deceit and manipulations of others, which take advantage of not just yours, but all our spineless nature as humans.

Liberated

Liberated

Dear Dr,

I see you may have studied the old british imperial strategy. But dear professor your intentions are as boldly showing as your oversized nose.
You must think Azeri turks are stupid. Despite the bad jokes about them, Azari's are rather sharp. They also good business people and have no interest in leaving their businesses in Tehran, Isfahan, and so on and move to Tabriz.
So go on and teach about something you know something about cause your academic credentials will be questioned soon.

Sincerely,
Liberated,

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

good one !

: )

choghok

choghok Your enemie's enemy is necessarily not a friend.

The strong presence of Israel in Kurdish regions of Iraq and also in Republic of Azerbaijan has resulted in Pjak and now these activities. Another version of this was in the tonight show with John Stewart, where an Arab FBI agetn (do not remember the name) had written a book about the same issue with the same angle. Stewart did other questions but he was really focused on putting all his efforts on this issue and misinformation.

The only logical conclusion is that Israel and USA are looking at ethnic unrest as a tool for beating IRI. Netanyahu does not care how many million Iranians die in this way, he just wants his votes.

sayyad.shaer

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Netanyahu aslan rahm baraye baradar khaharaye khode Esraelish nadare ba in hame harfe jango koshtokoshtar maha hichi bejozv ye mosht sooske siyapost be on madarghahve nistim lol. Gure babaye NatanYAHOO.

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BahramtheIranian

Bahram I only wear my own watch

جالب بود!! خندیدم!!

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

I have yet to meet an Iranian Turk who buys into this propaganda ! Not a single of them think as themselves as being anything other than Iranian.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

I am from Khorasan which has been broken up by the Brits. No one wants an Independent Khorasan, as we all consider ourselves Persian and have contributed to the united culture. The agenda of others are not based on people and lives, which are worthless to them. Iran /Persia is a Nation brought together not by rivers, like others, but by their location as a trade route, nothing can travel across the world by ground without crossing Iran/persia, especially as russian route is blocked by snow.

sayyad.shaer

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You should see the Traktor Sazi games, fans throw up the Grey Wolves' (pan-Turk neo-nazi group) signs and chant separatism slogans. It's also because of the mismanagement and horrendous minority policies of Iran's government, too.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

But Turks are not minority. They are Iranians ... Just like Esfahanis, Shirazis, Gilanis, etc...
Who are the majority in Iran?
Seriously .. I want to know ...

We have a common language and that is Farsi. That is the key to our unity !

sayyad.shaer

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And Esfahanis, Shirazis, Gilanis, are all references to populations of people in those cities, not to ethnic groups like Azeris, Kurds, Baluch, and Turkoman. So in that regard, yes, they are separate as an ethnic group.

sayyad.shaer

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Persians are the majority at around 50 percent, with Turks making up another 20-30% of Iran's population. They speak Azeri, a Turkic language, and are believed to be descendants of the Seljuks and Oghuz Turks. Azeri is forbidden to be taught in Iran and Farsi may be a uniting language but the truth is, once the Iran ship starts sinking, all the minorities will jump onto other boats.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

I accidentally posted my reply up there .... not here ... please read ... i am not in the mood to delete and repost it .

thanks
: )

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

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Persa

Persa

با نظم و ترتیبی که درارتش ایران و با توجه به ذخیره بسیار غنی تسلیحاتی و مالی در اواخر سلسله پهلوی در خدمت ایرانیان بود و تجربه های نظامی و شرکت در سرکوبی در ظفار و غیره، بطورکلی غرب در چهره دراز مدت ایران ناسیونالیزم را یک خطر بزرگ برای چپاول نفت ایران دید و خطرهای کشورگشایی و روحیه امپراطوری در پهلوی و افسران ایرانی. لذا، هدف برآن شد که اول باید ایران و ناسیونالیزم آن کوبیده شود، تا آنکه بتوانند اهداف فروپاشی اتحاد جماهیر شوروی را پیاده کنند. اگر شوروی قبل از ایران از هم میپاشید بسیاری معتقدند که ایران ثروتمند، قوی و در حال پیشرفت دعوت بازگشت مردم آذربائیجان، تاجیکستان و حتی افغانستان و یکی شدن با ایران را مطرح میکرد و این خطر بزرگی بود برای اهداف صدور نفت، قدرت طلبی اسرائیل و دلایل بسیار دیگر.

آیت الله خمینی در ابتدای استقرارش در ایران ناسیونالیزم را کوبید و تا دوسال حتی کمونیستها را بحال خود گذاشت و فقر و بیکاری ناشی از انقلاب و بعد جنگ با عراق رویای ایران بزرگ را بخاک سپرد و اینچنین شد که نوبت به فروپاشی اتحاد جماهیر شوروی رسید و از آن پس ایجاد نفاق بین ایرانیان و اقوام ایرانی و دلیل بارز آن همین مسئله نیاز به روادید برای ورود به افغانستان است.

باری این زنک که دست نشانده صیهونیزم و اسرائیل است و او هم بمانند بسیاری دیگر یک حقوق بگیر است در خدمت دشمنان ایران. یک لحظه وقت خود را صرف این مزخرفات نکنید و هیچگاه تلفظ آذربائیجان را با کسره "ذال" نخوانید ننویسید و خود را خوار و حقیر نکنید. روزی خواهد رسید که ما آنطرف این ابرهای تیره را خواهیم دید. بزرگترین خدمتی که میتوانید بخود و وطن خود بکنید آنستکه بفارسی بنویسید، تا چشم دشمن ایران کور شود.

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sayyad.shaer

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"Brother to start with how could we trust this woman who is baring her bossoms to all man kind to see ?"

LOL!

khalehmosheh

khaleh mosheh

Some of my friends have looked at the picture closely and suggest that those could be in fact fake and conceivably she may be a transvestite. Some people have even claimed to be able to see a 5 o'clock shadow on that picture although personally I am not 100% convinced on either counts.

sayyad.shaer

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Are daghighan ghiyafash eyne Harrison Ford mimone looool

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

The contradictions in this woman's reasoning are glaring. Evan Siegal did a relatively good job pointing out some of them out in his review of her book. She wants to argue for a historical Azari national identity while simultaneously arguing that Iranian national identity is a construction of modernity. This is putting all kinds of carts before horses. First of all, Azarbaijan itself is a construction of modernity and in any case Turkish was an imposed language in Azarbaijan by an assortment of Turkic rulers and dynasties during the Islamic period, beginning with the late Abbasid period. Ethnically the people of Azarbaijan are closer to Persians than they are to the original Turkic nomadic peoples of Central Asia, not to mention all of Azarbaijan is part of the historic Iranian national heartland.

Just like ideological Aryan supremacy of the Nazis was a fictitious ideological construction which rested on countless historical fallacies and misnomers, so too with Pan-Turkism and its ideological adherents.

Roger_Rabbit

Roger_Rabbit Framed

Academcis are given such titles as professor precisely to push certain agendas. Case in point: Milani, Jahanbegloo, Nasr, etc.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

That is a fact, not a theory. They are using intellectuals, in order to fool both their own intellectuals and Iranians.

It's not Irony that the late Shah is called by these Intellectuals as a Dictator, while for example they praise Obama who, unlike the late shah, and with out a doubt is a major violator of human rights. So many Children being murdered in over 10 different countries is a human rights abuse even when done in the process of assassinating people in various countries. It is not Irony, no it's Hypocrisy and is common for a culture that acts based on using Lies, using machiavelli's approach.

sayyad.shaer

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Akhe chon farhange ma arzesh baraye jameshenasi, farhangshenasi, ravanshenasi, moghtasedi, va tahlilgari aslan nadare... ta rozi ke ma az in jabeye "doktor ya mohandes" khodemono be onvane ye farhang raha nakonim, ma badbakht khahim mond chon be hich vaj ma "intellectual" to khodemon peyda na khahim kard... bayad naslemon yekam bishtar be motale'eye matlabaye ejtemayi arzesh bede ta maha fara begirim.

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

The only one systematically spreading, helping and abating separatism in Iran fro the past three decades is Islamic Republic of Hell. If the internal conditions of our country are not "ripe with possibilities" no foreign power could do squat.
Khuzestan the richest province of the country, it probably generates at lest half the national economy, after three decades of war hasn't been touched for a single major reconstruction, yet, and that's just one example of how Islamic Republic of Hell has been alienating, persecuting, killing, incarcerating,... non-Shia Iranians: Baluch, Arab, Kurd, Turk-men,..
That is our problem, not a two bit neo-liberal academician in some stupid university.
P.S. What happened to "Joseph Anton" and all that?

sayyad.shaer

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I found and bought Joseph Anton last week at the B&N. I haven't opened it just yet, as I'm finishing up one of my Chomsky books. Let's set a date- the end of this month for Joseph Anton review?

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

No rush man, just curious that's all. I've read it twice already, kind of tired of it. There's been many good reviews of it, one of the better ones in NY Review of Books takes Rushdie to task on many points. Most reviews have been cordial and positive.
P.S. What do you think of IR's direct responsibility in creating internal situations and national pathologies that facilitate and promote external intervention?

sayyad.shaer

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I think it's wrong but it plays directly into a bigger plan of dismembering Iran.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Yes you are right about dismembering Iran, that is the plan that Zendanian is part of too, by lying about the previous regime and helping to create a false picture in Iranians minds of both Savaka and the late Shah to foment division and undermine the Pahlavi's which in reality was a betrayal of all Iranians. The Pahlavi's and their Teams True record was better defined in terms of Peace, Progress and Human Rights.