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Fueling Separatism: Brenda Shaffer, Distinguished Harvard Professor

Balatarin

 

Brenda Shaffer is an Israeli-educated professor at the Caspian Studies Program at Harvard University who stresses that the Azerbaijanis are a separate Turkic people whose nation has been split between Iran and Russia for 200 years. She maintains that there was a nation known as Azerbaijan, a kingdom, before it was forcefully taken over by Iran and Russia. She gets paid by certain initiatives and corporations to rewrite history like this and plays very well into Pan-Turk myths.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Borders-Brethren-Challenge-Azerbaijani-International/dp/B0076TUGM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358060827&sr=8-1&keywords=borders+and+brethren

 

However, her book, Borders and Brethren, brings up very well researched evidence that most Azerbaijani's in the Republic of Azerbaijan dislike Iran and there is a growing sentiment in Southern  Azerbaijan to separate and join their brothers in the north. She also maintains that there never was such a thing as "Iranian" national identity, and that it was molded in response to the carving up of the Ottoman empire after World War 1. 

 

I want to hear some thoughts on this...

 

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh- Evan Siegel's review of Shaffer's book:

http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/pan-turanism/evan-siegels-review-of-brenda-shaffers-book-on-iranian-azarbaijan/

 

Article by Dr. Kaveh Farrokh on Pan-Turkism and "Southern Azerbaijan" with piece on Dr. Shaffer (with similarities between Yugoslavia dismemberment and planned Iran dismemberment):

 

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/english-library/pan-turanism4/index.htm

 

Why does it seem to me that all professors nowadays have an agenda?

Balatarin

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ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

one correction to this article - her last name appears as Shaffer on many conference agendas....not Schaffer!!

sayyad.shaer

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I hope she Google searches her name and stumbles upon this... gets a grip on reality and sees how things are on the ground... it's no doubt she's paid by oil companies to write her kossher... Too bad that Zer-zerbaijan will be 2x as large by 2030 and Kurdistan will come to be, Khuzestan will be another emirate and Turkmenistan and Iran will be engaged in a heated battle over Khorasan. Not to mention Israeli nukes falling on Esfahan and Tehran. The world's next genocide after the Alawites in Syria is the Iranians. We're headed for Yugoslavia treatment and none of us really understands how definite and pre-planned this is and has been for decades.

esfand

esfand Cho Iran nabashad, tane man mabad

Azeris are intertwined with rest of the Iranian nation both culturally (Nowruz, etc..) and personally (marriages, families), I wouldn't label them a so-called minority. Many ordinary Iranians in the major cities donated blood and money to the victims of the quake in the north-west six months ago.

sayyad.shaer

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Tabriz is a hotbed for separatism, just look at how misinformed the disenchanted youth are there. They really believe that Azeris are Turks.

ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

The tragedy of the Tabriz separatists is that they don't understand that they will trade one form of authoritarianism for another one. Look at Aliev in Azerbaijan, him and his family are running away with even the small bit of oil money (the bone) being thrown at them by the Brits, meanwhile he is a brutal dictator like the Mullahs in Iran. If they want true freedom, I would say they actually have a better shot at it in Iran - the Mullahs will be toppled before Aliev is gone. Israel/British/Turkey's current plan is to topple Assad first, then Lebanon's Hezbollah - then build a pipeline from Haifa to Turkey's Nabucco pipeline to export Israeli Gas to Europe. Nabucco pipeline was built with excess capacity (its 40% vacant right now) and this was all planned back in 2004 or even earlier when the pipeline was built. France is shifting all its electricity production from Nuclear to Natural gas - and they all want to break Russia's monopoly on Gas to Europe. And gas from the Caspian will feed into this pipeline too. But my point is after Lebanon - in 2014 or so (depending on how long they get bogged down in Syria and Lebanon) - it will be Iran's turn for a "change"! But Azeri's would be stupid to sign up for Aliev's dictatorship. He is another British puppet and that not a destiny the Azeris should chose.

sayyad.shaer

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Va Azariya hamchon Torkaye Estanboli rishatan Tork nistan, dar dowrane Seljughiyan zabane Torki roshon tahmil shode bad az gharardadaye Torkomanchayo Golestan dowlatmadaraye Rus shosteshue maghzi kardan va ina "Tork" kardan khodeshono... in to tarikhe abji bavaram nemikoni boro vase khodet bekhon.

LadyMacbeth

LadyMacbeth

gooya shoma khabar nadari amma inkeh Tork (estanbul) va Azeri ha kollan va az risheh ba ham fargh darand ta donya donya boodeh vasseh hameh roshan boodeh! Shoma yeh chorte digeh bezan dadash.

sayyad.shaer

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Digeh malome ke hich enteghade hesabi nadari... man key montaghede in harfet bodam? Migam baziya to Tabriz khiyal mikonan ke eyne Torkaye Rus rishatan Torkan hala az in ke to tarikh in dorost nisto goftam chera irad migiri zanike?

LadyMacbeth

LadyMacbeth

Avvalan inkeh dorost sohbat kon, man dar sha'nam nist amma yeki dideg jayeh man basheh yeh vaght behet mige zanikeh kiyeh. Ghol midam haal nakhahi kard. Dovvom, dobareh bekhoon va dorost bekhoon lotfan. Goftee ' just look at how misinformed the disenchanted youth are there. They really believe that Azeris are Turks.', javabetam beh zabooneh sadeh in bood keh KHEYR, hich kass, hich jayeh Iran, hichvaght hamchin bavari nadashteh magar in keh 1) Azeri nabasheh VA 2) Bi savad basheh.

sayyad.shaer

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Hala khodet agar Azari hasti in marbot be to nist chon ke javabet faghat dideye khodeto moshakhas mikone. Manam ke behet nak goftam ke faghat niyaz dari ke chandta video az mosabeghehaye traktor sazi tabrizo tamasha koni ke khodet bebini javonaye tabriz khodeshono Tork Tork mikonan

Manzuram in nist ke Torke Estanbuli manzuram hast ina fekr mikonan ke rishatan az nejade Torki hastan. Va in ghalate Azarihaye Iran Azarihaye asli hastan, az ye nejade Aryayi (Maad) hastan ke to dowrane hojume Torka va Mongola zabone Torki beshon tahmil shode va badan dar zamane Tsaraye Rusi va hokumate Shoraviya ina zire nofuze Rusha bodand.

Dar vaghe on zamini ke behesh emroz migan "Republic of Azerbaijan" ye ostane Iran bood be name Aran va melatesh ye nejade kafkazi bood ke ba Torka ghati shod (dorost eyne Armaniya)... Rusa naghshe keshide bodan ke Arano esm bezaran Azerbaijan be elati ke dar ayande Azerbaijane asli (Azarbaijane Iran, Atropategan) joda beshe va motahed beshe ba Aran, zire solte Rus. Inam az inke Azarbaijane Iran khayli zamine strategike va nafto gaz ziyad dare. Aslan Azariyaye Iran Tork nistan faghat Torki sohbat mikonan, Arraniya (Rep. Azerbaijan) Torkan... montaha javonaye Torkiye Iran ye edeshon digarandishi mikonand... va behet ghol midam vaista ta in sanctiona vaghan pedare Irano dar biyaran, ye 2 sale dige agar in hokumat barandaz nashe khodet bara khodet mibini che zood in ideologi pakhsh khahad shod.

sayyad.shaer

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Az to astinam? Ye edeyi hastan to Tabriz ke mikhan joda beshan az Iran faghad boro on mosabeghehaye teraktor saziro tamasha kon bara khodet bebin. Bishtarashon javonano halishon nist vali be har hal ye edeyi hast va bishtaram in afkaro khahand gereft faghad vaista 1-2 sale digeh ke eghtesade Iran vaghean bekhore be khako dowlat vaghan be zendegiye mardom berine bad khodet shahed mishi, alan hanuz jodayi ye zemzemast.

sayyad.shaer

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Same can be said about Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Iraq, etc... culture is nothing when money presents itself to impoverished people. This is how the whites control the Middle East.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

On : This is how the whites control the Middle East.

Some call it Divide and Rule, Others call it Political Science,
because political science is basically about understanding how to divide and rule. As people come to understand political science, their knowledge will move them from the ignorance that created 1979 towards the knowledge that is necessary to be understanding of what a great human being the late shah was in reality.

Most Iranians were deceived and manipulated to bring down a great king that was healing the roots of Iran, helping it develop new ones or discarding the rotten ones that had already decayed beyond being ability to be saved. Their tool is lying, like "one of the most democratic acting leaders of the world, the late Shah was a dictator" and "Savak was using torture" to create division away from the Shahs team.

Roger_Rabbit

Roger_Rabbit Framed

Academcis are given such titles as professor precisely to push certain agendas. Case in point: Milani, Jahanbegloo, Nasr, etc.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

That is a fact, not a theory. They are using intellectuals, in order to fool both their own intellectuals and Iranians.

It's not Irony that the late Shah is called by these Intellectuals as a Dictator, while for example they praise Obama who, unlike the late shah, and with out a doubt is a major violator of human rights. So many Children being murdered in over 10 different countries is a human rights abuse even when done in the process of assassinating people in various countries. It is not Irony, no it's Hypocrisy and is common for a culture that acts based on using Lies, using machiavelli's approach.

sayyad.shaer

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Akhe chon farhange ma arzesh baraye jameshenasi, farhangshenasi, ravanshenasi, moghtasedi, va tahlilgari aslan nadare... ta rozi ke ma az in jabeye "doktor ya mohandes" khodemono be onvane ye farhang raha nakonim, ma badbakht khahim mond chon be hich vaj ma "intellectual" to khodemon peyda na khahim kard... bayad naslemon yekam bishtar be motale'eye matlabaye ejtemayi arzesh bede ta maha fara begirim.

ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

Schaffer is not only very confused on the actual historical case, but is in fact a proxy for an Israeli/British agenda. Israel has military bases in Azerbaijan and has at its core element in the supposed attack on Iran a plan to engage from Azerbaijan... and thus needs to foment Azeri support. And Britain has a real concern with 25% of its GDP now coming from milking Azeribaijan and (Iran's) Caspian Sea reserves. BP (Britain) also controls all exports from the Caspian by owning and operating the pipeline across Azerbaijan that all oil companies use. There are additional (major) fields nearer Iran, and a grab of Iran's northern provinces (just like the break up of the Soviet Union/and the unilateral annulment of the Turkmenchay Treaty) would enable them to exploit those fields too. This is all a pretext to war, and more oil and gas 'grab'. There might be a simple solution to all this, if the Mullahs were NOT western nokars....and that would be for Iran to simply invade Azerbaijan. It would settle all arguments and bring back Iranian Caspian Sea oil and gas back into Iranian hands (where it belongs). One final point, if this so called professor needs any real understanding of how much Azeri's are part of the greater Iranian family ...she only has to travel to Baku on March 21st and witness how incredibly the Azeris celebrate No- ruz...and then she'll know for sure that they are even more Iranian - than Iranians themselves. This is another Israeli jendeh....she's currently a visiting professor at Azerbaijan's Diplomat Academy (where they train foreign service diplomats) and a professor of University of Haifa (where Israel's new Oil and Gas industry is based ...they have just discovered major fields off the Israeli and Lebanese coast lines), and the program she was involved with at Harvard is financially supported by major oil companies engaged in the Caspian Sea (Chevron etc.). Baku is less than 100 km from Iran's border ...need I say more!!?? Oh, and one final point, look at the papers she has published, and you will understand what is going on in Syria today and what will happen in Lebanon ...and eventually Iran. The Israelis plan to build a pipeline across Lebanon and Syria to Turkey's Nabucco pipeline to Europe to export their natural gas; and the pretext of war with Iran will only be to grab Iran's oil rich Southern Persian Gulf and Northern Caspian regions. Iranians CAN NOT let that happen. If nothing else, her writings have tipped Israel/Britain's hands....

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

With people like you Ayatoilet, Iranians should just give up control of Azarbaijan to the Brits....
Your views give life to and are the true reason for the success of the policy of divide and rule for Iran for the last century.
1) you don't openly acknowledge the late shah was one of the most democratically acting leaders of his time.
2) you don't openly acknowledge as a lie nor do you condemn those who say that Savak tortured iranians.
3) You don't openly congratulate the era of the pahlavi's as being one of the greatest Iran had enjoyed up till then,
4) You don't acknowledge the pahlavi's for focusing on developing the foundations for Iran to be a leading democracy.
5) You don't condemn Mossadegh for unnecessarily giving up Irans share or Iraqi/Kuwaiti/Bahrain oil as only a foreign agent would do.
6) You speak in favor of Obama openly who did not stand with Iranians or their wish to rebel for their freedom
7) You don't openly acknowledge Obama, who called our late shah a dictator, as a major violator of human rights.

Honestly, be fair, the confusion is clearly not on her part. With people like you wanting to serve Iran, who really needs enemies? You are the central pillar of the military base empire of the USA and you even act as if you are innocent and clueless about it. Except your 7 not so innocent actions show other wise.

sayyad.shaer

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Hala rajebe etefaghi ke ye nasle pish be Iran oftade dorost migi; sabete ke kiya Shaho barandakhtano in hokumato tahmil kardan vali dar morede Mossadegh malom nist ke vaghan baraye Rusa ya Ingilisiya kar mikard. Badesham dastanayi ke rajebe SAVAK migan haghighatan, khiyal mikoni vezarate etela'ate alan kiya dorost kardan? Faghad oni ke nemigan ine ke be SAVAK Amrika va Esrael amozesh dad har shekanjeyi ona mikardan az vezarataye etela'ate ona fara gereftan. Har hukumati, har cheghadr demokratikam bashe niyaz be ye sazemane amniyati dare va ona donbale shokhiyo bazi kardan nistan lol...

ayatoilet17

ayatoilet1 B.S. from Argooz U., M.S. from Massachosetts I.T. PhD from Oxfed U; Post Doc @ Kharvard U; Big Shot @ Sheikh Mir Hassan Bank. Plays for a band: Ayatoilet & the Shits. The Supreme Dr. Ayatoilet Kh Kh Kh! www.ayatoilet.com

Amirparviz-jan: Tekitizi,tekitizi, tekitizi...I need to buy you a few strong drinks!! What does all this have to do with my comment? Huh? I am talking about this Israeli broad - who is probably in bed with some young handsome Azeri diplomat right this minute as I write (its probably 2 am in some fancy Hotel room in Baku) - this has nothing to do with the Shah or Obama ... its all about Israel trying to pump up Azeri's to do some dirty work for them vis-a-vis Iran! But more likely Jendeh-Khanum is having them do some dirty work on her. I just hate it when people get paid money to write shit - which is what she has done - another form of prostitution!!

sayyad.shaer

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Aslan malom nist kodom safire Azarbayjani in jadugaro mikone lol aslan khodet negah kon be nazare to agha Ayatuwalet in zanike aslan kardaniye? LOL

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

If Shah was around this could not be going on and Iran would today be in an entirely different stratosphere, far more democratic than the USA. Obama is too filthy for words to express and those who have supported such a polarizing and criminal figure already know what a huge mistake they have made, it will get worse with him based on Obama's policy trajectory of mass assassinations all over the world.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

I'll tell you later, I am mad at you because you are a very creative person and its a shame so many good Iranians are so distant from their good heritage and the issues of the day as a result of the deceit and manipulations of others, which take advantage of not just yours, but all our spineless nature as humans.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

The contradictions in this woman's reasoning are glaring. Evan Siegal did a relatively good job pointing out some of them out in his review of her book. She wants to argue for a historical Azari national identity while simultaneously arguing that Iranian national identity is a construction of modernity. This is putting all kinds of carts before horses. First of all, Azarbaijan itself is a construction of modernity and in any case Turkish was an imposed language in Azarbaijan by an assortment of Turkic rulers and dynasties during the Islamic period, beginning with the late Abbasid period. Ethnically the people of Azarbaijan are closer to Persians than they are to the original Turkic nomadic peoples of Central Asia, not to mention all of Azarbaijan is part of the historic Iranian national heartland.

Just like ideological Aryan supremacy of the Nazis was a fictitious ideological construction which rested on countless historical fallacies and misnomers, so too with Pan-Turkism and its ideological adherents.

Ir

Parthian

Quiz:
1. Did the Turkish tribes migrate to Persia starting 8th century?
2. Did they rule the Persia 90% of the last 10 centuries?
3. Did they mixed and adapted the Persian culture or still they have their own oriental looks & culture?
4. Is there a big turkish tribe in state of Pars today?
5. How did Turk end up in Today's Turky? Did they live in Persia and then with Persians (saljokhian) push westward or did they use helicopters from north of Mongolia to Turky?
My noble friends, today's Turkish people only kept their name but, they morf into a blended people just like any other Persian. Similarly, Persian only kept the name Aryan but, they are so blended with others that you hardly see any evidence of Aryan culture today.

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BahramtheIranian

Bahram I only wear my own watch

جالب بود!! خندیدم!!

Liberated

Liberated

Dear Dr,

I see you may have studied the old british imperial strategy. But dear professor your intentions are as boldly showing as your oversized nose.
You must think Azeri turks are stupid. Despite the bad jokes about them, Azari's are rather sharp. They also good business people and have no interest in leaving their businesses in Tehran, Isfahan, and so on and move to Tabriz.
So go on and teach about something you know something about cause your academic credentials will be questioned soon.

Sincerely,
Liberated,

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

good one !

: )

sayyad.shaer

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She needs to be fired from Harvard for knowingly feeding blatant b.s. to students. This is just like if a Holocaust denier like David Duke taught at Yale.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Unfortunately she has been put there based on political appointments high up in the US senate and her views are a reflection of US policy for the region. They love her and they love the mullahs. And unless Iranians can grow and learn to think for themselves while using their wisdom and ask for help when they need it most, they will be a people who continue to be jealous of and blame the late shah instead of seeking the forgiveness they most need for mistreating him and Iran so poorly.

sayyad.shaer

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In ke sad dar sad malome dadash...