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A friendly advice to all LGBT

Balatarin

 

 

 

Let’s begin with the story of Lot, Abraham's nephew, Book of Genesis, chapters 11–14 and 19, which is as old as Mount Kilimanjaro vs. the fresh LGBT, an acronym: "And there came two angels to Sodom…; and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; bowed; And he said, '…, my lords, turn in, …, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, … rise up early, and go on your ways.' And they said, 'Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.' …he pressed upon them greatly; …they turned in…; …they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, (wow!): And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, 'Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, …' And said, 'I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes(!): only unto these men do nothing;' And they said, 'Stand back' . . . And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. The men [the angels] put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. They smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness… so that they wearied themselves to find the door. And the men [i.e., the two angels] said unto Lot … Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground…”

 

On 1/17/2013, French people, on behalf of God Almighty, the protector of Abraham's nephew, who has sacked all his angels due to double-digit unemployment, took to the streets of Paris to protest gay marriage. Naturally, there was no guarantee that all the participants were absolutely heterosexual. At the French windows, some people silently displayed their bewilderments at the eco-politically motivated scenes, gay marriage protest and Mali rapid deployment. The windows people clasped one another’s hands as they used to do so when they were at high school, the same experience shared by many of us when friends surpassed parents.

 

Marriage, a religious rite, is already threatened with high divorce rates (between 40% and 50%). Nine US states have already legalized gay marriage as a gesture of gratitude to gay voters. Why all the fuss about the terminology of ‘gay marriage’? If, in western societies, it is related to visitation, taxation, inheritance rights, access to family health coverage, and protection in the event of the relationship ending, let appropriate laws be passed to quietly replace ‘partnership’ for ‘marriage’. Otherwise, western LGBT people are politely asked to perform the act privately like millions of the world-wide LGBT of non-western nations, and wait for the completions of the spaceships being built for members of the invisible club before their nuking of the world.

 

 

 

Balatarin

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

No, In the West since Church and state are separate, people form their views based not on religious teachings of right and wrong, but based on using their own god given consciences. And so something that exists naturally and in all societies and is scientifically documented to genetically increase the fertility rate of the parent of the gay off spring (obviously not the gay themselves), therefore exists to increase population and is beneficial, therefore can no longer opposed based on superstitious grounds. Not that science was something, the gods of the 3 main religions ever showed awareness of.

Azadeh..Azad

Dr.Azadeh.Azad http://legacy.iranian.com/main/member/azadeh-azad

Dear AmirParviz: I have not heard of what you are saying; and actually don't completely understand it. I appreciate if you develop it or give me a link.

I know a female Shaman who is also lesbian. She tells me that homosexuals prevent over-population and play a balancing role in the nature and society. I find her argument to be logical. What do you think? ~

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

What I meant by: "Not that science was something, the gods of the 3 main religions ever showed awareness of." Was that for example in the Koran God says the Sun travels around the Earth. God must not have forgotten a bunch of things about the Universe he created for a moment as factually the earth travels around the Sun, not the way it was described. There was so much that God forgot about the Universe and Geology in Particular.

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"for example in the Koran God says the Sun travels around the Earth.???" FALSE, FALSE, FALSE!

Quran never says such a thing! As GOD only & only speaks of the truth in Quran:

"And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (him), the exalted in might, the all-knowing.and the moon,- we have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk the sun shall not outstrip the moon, nor shall the night outstrip the day. each is floating in an orbit." (Surah 36, Verses 38-40)

And no need to mention that such facts were told 15 centuries ago when people thought that the Earth was flat & that the Sun was moving above it!

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?181811-Does-sun-revolve-around-the-earth

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Shabir-Ally/science11.htm

P.S. Koran clearly does not support lesbians and gays as natural and serving a beneficial purpose, with honor and dignity as god created them.

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Thanks for providing the 2 above links. Quran is very clear about who created the galaxy & who set its order no matter who is saying what as no humans are/were ever present in its creation/formation. Period.

P.S. Bible & Quran are both about GOD & GOD's attributions and not about humans but of them. Impartiality is one of GOD's attributions per both books. Except for the story of LOT, there is noting regarding gays & lesbians in Quran. And per the same book, SATAN, Inc. are the ones who see no beneficial purpose for humans altogether whether lesbians, gays or not:

"We have HONRED the children of adam and carried them on both land and sea. we have provided them with good things and greatly preferred them above much of our creation." (Quran 17:70)

"He (the SATAN) told (GOD): tell me, is this he whom thou hast honored above me? if thou shouldst respite me to the day of resurrection, I will most certainly cause his progeny to perish except a few" (Quran 17:62)

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

In other words, neo-liberal political and economic imperial/neo-colonial agendas by Western elites and the homosexual rights issue go hand in hand.

Azadeh..Azad

Dr.Azadeh.Azad http://legacy.iranian.com/main/member/azadeh-azad

NK: What you are saying about the homosexual rights is also said about the women's rights. There is no foundation for what you are asserting. To simply say that you are against homosexuality would be closer to the truth. Moreover, as we live in a world-wide capitalist system, every issue would be affected by that system. Homosexuality also exists in Iran among Muslim. (I will not talk about the old institution of pedophilia among the Akhoonds of Qom and the Islamist ruling elite in Iran, as pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality that is a natural and biological condition.)

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

Your position is contradictory and counter-intuitive because you are equating homosexuality as a natural right and equating it with gender. Homosexuality is neither a gender or a natural right. Such fallacies of reasoning are pervasive among neo-liberals.

That aside, presently mainstream white Western feminism empowers neo-colonial and imperialist discourses and those concrete mechanisms that perpetuate it.

Moreover, there is absolutely no proven, conclusive scientific evidence that homosexuality is a biological condition.
Yes, pedophilia exists among the clerical establishment in Iran. Pedophilia is also rampant - and more so than in Iran - among Anglo-European ruling classes as the political explosion following the Jimmy Saville case in the UK has now proven.
But, again, you are making another category error by appealing to a universal example regarding the existence of homosexuality in all societies. Murder exists in all societies as well. Is murder morally justified based on its universal existence? This kind of fuzzy thinking by neo-liberals and Westernized pseudo-intellectuals leads precisely to such logical cul de sacs when taken to its conclusion.
Every traditional society and every traditional religion has maintained the same attitude about homosexuality as Islam does and as does Zoroastrianism as well. Homosexuality is a sin. It is satanic, and its active promotion by Western power elites proves the precise nature of the civilization they represent: i.e. a satanic counter-civilization.

Azadeh..Azad

Dr.Azadeh.Azad http://legacy.iranian.com/main/member/azadeh-azad

NK: When you tell me that "you are equating homosexuality as a natural right and equating it with gender. Homosexuality is neither a gender nor a natural right", I see that you haven't understood what I wrote. I equated "homosexual rights" to "women's rights" not to "Gender," meaning femininities and masculinities, which I did not talk about. Gender is one thing, the women's rights is something else. It would be beneficial for you if you read my series of articles on "Conceptualizing Gender".

The concepts of "sin" and "Satan" are not recognized as valid by the Humanist (as opposed to the Religious.) Satan does not exist and "sin" is a concept invented by the upper-class males to control others (the mass of people and the females of their own class). The Humanist believes in ethics (which requires contexts) while the Religious believes in Morality (which is absolute and not needing any context). So your response is not accepted by me as logical. The organized religions are not valid sources to draw from. All of them, to different degrees, are both anti-woman and anti-gay. For instance in Zoroastrianism, a girl should obey her father until she gets married. Thus, a girl is not considered an autonomous being (and I am talking about a religion that is much less harsh than the Abrahamic ones.)

A more personal note: I liked you, Wahid, when you were a philosopher rather than a religious dude. Your thoughts were interesting to follow. Over the years, you chose to "REACT" to Baha’ism and with that you became a Political Muslim who only gives slogans. What usually happens to people is that in their youth, they give slogans and think into boxes, but as they age, they understand that the world is not black and white and they stop giving slogans and start to reason and become more realistic, less harsh and more compassionate. Your case is the exact opposite of this trend, which is unfortunate as far as I am concerned. That's all.

NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

Your argument is flawed, and, fyi, I am not a humanist. I am and have always been a Traditionalist (capital 'T'), which means I reject secular humanism in its entirety and every philosophical assumption it holds. I especially reject Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative as a flawed as well as a pernicious basis for any kind of moral philosophical superstructure (which all of secular humanism ultimately leads to), and the destructive evidence of Western secular humanism's onslaught against everything I hold as sacred (from mother earth and beyond) is too substantial to get into here. In short, as far as I am concerned modern Western secular democratic civilization is a corrupt, aberrant and decadent anomaly in human civilizational experience and as such it is archetypally representative of what theology and the scriptures, from Zoroastrianism to Islam, have characterized as satanic. As such my prime, overriding concern is the preservation of culture and Tradition in its integral and wholistic authenticity against such any and all onslaughts.

That aside, the flaw in your argument here - a category flaw, as it is called in logic - is that you are implicitly equating gender with a condition that is demonstratively not innate, i.e. homosexuality. Since I reject the biological determinist argument where homosexuality is concerned (and there is no evidence in any case), I perforce reject all arguments stemming from it as well.

Femininity is an innate condition of humanity. I do not believe gender is socially constructed. I believe gender is ontologically innate and determined by a variety of causes both material and immaterial. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is not innate or ontologically determined. It is an accidental condition. As a consequence womens rights and rights for homosexuals can never occur or be spoken of in the same logical instance. They are completely different things which means femininity-as-such occupies a higher position in the hierarchy of issues than other things of a lower category which are accidental to the human experience.

Homosexuality is an accidental condition, and just as there are always anomalies occurring in the natural world, so too do such anomalies exist in the human world in the form of aberrations from foundational human norms.

All of this to one side, homosexual rights appears to be an overriding concern of developed countries and an attempt by them to impose their ideas on others who do not subscribe to their worldview. Yes, there are homosexuals in Iranian society. Yes, homosexuality has always existed in Iranian culture. But the existence of something does not establish it as a normative or salutary condition when it is in fact an aberration.

Sin in my diction is to fall short from the designed aim of the Creator of the Universe. Satanic is thus to actively seek the negation of this aim. One of the aims of the Creator of the Universe for humans in my belief is that woman and man form a pair - a pair which completes each other. On the biological level, this pair participates in the creative act of the divine by reproducing. Since the Creator of the Universe generated humans such that that woman reproduces with man by mating, it follows that man mating with man or woman with woman is an aberration of the intrinsic design and so an attempt to overthrow the natural teleological order.

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NasirKhosrow

Nasir Khosrow Poet, scientist, philosopher, mystic and traveler

While children are abused on a mass level and are prostituted and made to starve to death in the very Western world itself, forget elsewhere, a morally and spiritually bankrupt Western elite pushes the homosexuality issue on the rest of the world as its trojan horse excuse for the destruction of the traditional family as we know it.

Capitalism presses the homosexuality issue because by and large homosexuals in the West have lots of money, are largely composed of the urban middle-class and so hyper-consumerists propelling the capitalist machine ever onwards. The homosexuality issue in the West has nothing to do with rights, which gay activists don't even understand. It is a convenient way for Western power elites to push all other critical issues facing humanity under the table while pursuing their satanic cultural imperialism worldwide in other ways.