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Balatarin


So a few changes have been pushed to production and are now live on the site. They include:

 

  • Blocking: When blocking a user, you are essentially ignoring them and preventing them from interacting with any of your blogs. You will not see any of their posts, comments, etc. In essence, they do not exist while you are logged in and perusing the site. The pop up when blocking a user needs cosmetic work, and if you experience any bugs w/ this feature, please post it here.
  • Per the request of a few folks, you can now "dislike" a comment. @EsfandAashena I saw your request re: anonymity when liking or disliking comments. Personally, I definitely would like to know who has liked and disliked my comments. I feel that this level of transparency is healthy for the community and makes us more aware and thoughtful of our actions. That said, I welcome everyone's feedback...
  • We have a few power users who post a flurry of News and Blogs. While I appreciate the passion and contributions, it is easy for those folks to dominate the upper half of the home page. Thus, a limit of 2 blogs and 2 news items are allowed for a 24 hour period. Do those thresholds sound reasonable or should we allow more/less?
  • Video blogs: In addition to YouTube, you can now add Vimeo videos. I will add this option to text blogs as well. 
  • In the event that you have not noticed, a few weeks ago a "Subscribe" option was added to comment threads. When subscribed, you wil be notified of any new comments made for that particular thread. You can unsuscribe in the same manner. 
  • Farsi font: Lots of good (pretty) Frasi fonts have been identified for the Farsi version of the site. Unfortunately, they tend to screw up the layout. We will continue to work on this...
  • The Facebook "Recommend" button has been added.
  • Archiving, switching of servers and other unexpected problems have finally been fixed. Google has started to re-index 2008 - 2012 posts and I have started to see an increase in organic search engine traffic. I will post a chart in a few weeks that shows the sudden cliff when that content went missing, and the gradual rise now that it is back online. We will also add a prominent link on those archived pages, so as to help drive users to the new layout. Archived content can be found here: http://iranian.com/main/index.html 

 

By next week...

  • All comments and blogs will be reviewed by 2 moderators before they are published. This is a much needed step to ensure that this community maintain a respectful, informative and engaging conversation between commenters and bloggers.
  • At that time, the "Community blogging and commenting standards" will be published and yes, enforced.
  • I see many users delete their comment, only to repost it. I assume that this is usually due to typos. Hence, a preview option and larger text box will be available next week. In light of this, the option of deleting comments will be removed. 

New Layout: By the 15th of February (give or take a few days), the new layout will have a home page that includes select blogs that the Iranian.com editor/staff has picked to be featured. Blogs will be the main column, with curated news links (again selected by the IC team) taking up a much smaller piece of real estate on the home page.

 

In addition to being featured on the home page, those blogs will also be available in one of the following site categories: Politics, Life and Style, Entertainment, Business & Economy, Arts & Literature and an Open category. Non-featured blogs will reside on the Blog Central page. News will also have its own dedicated page.

 

 

Balatarin

Saïd Amin @SaidAmin

Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

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Mehrban

Mehrban

I think 2 news items may be a little too few, maybe even unlimited news items is okay but the news section needs to churn much faster. Many news items stay on top for too long while other news gets no exposure. Maybe the toop system is not necessary for the news.

Also can we come up with a way of going from Page 1 to Page 2 to Page 3, etc.... by clicking to the next page. I can never get far enough back by such scrolling down. Thanks!

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Thanks Mehrban. The new layout will have page #s. Ditto for the various sections of the site, except for Blog Central which will continue to rank content based on the evolving algorithm and continuous scrolling.

Good feedback re: the churn for News. With a dedicated page for just news items, we can easily apply a new algorithm for those posts. Let's definitely revisit this once the new layout is up.

As for max # of News posts per a 24 hour period, if others feel that it should be expanded to more than two, please speak up. Thanks.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

7 blogs per 48 hours, I'm thinking since we created the 7 day week and the 7sin, we can blog 3 1/2 times a day or 7 over 2 full days.

ruhany

Ruhany Just another traveller of life ...

Dear Saiid:

I agree with most of the items explained in your “change” announcement with the exception of the one talking about “limit of 2 blogs and 2 news items are allowed for a 24 hour period.”

In explaining the logic behind imposing 2-2 limit on posting news and blogs you referred to some "power users" who easily "dominate" the upper half of the home page, and to solve that problem you decided to penalize those “folks” by limit the number of their postings and reward ones who are not happy with the domination, and at the same time don’t have time or don’t like to contribute.

When there are going to be 2 moderators in charge and we have new changes in layout, format, etc., on the way (as it is explained in the last two paragraphs), why we should still be concerned about the easiness of dominating the home page by a few power users?! , and because of that, limit the number of postings by members?

The domination on the upper half of IC by a few power users, has not been about their desire to win a popularity contest, has been about the flow of information and the freedom to decide what to consume. By letting different things to bloom on this field, all who visit this site will benefit from the variety of the contents and would find something to satisfy their tastes, which might be a copy/paste of a missed OP/ED, a recipe of a food that we assume everybody can prepare, a reminder of a birthday, a song that we might think everybody already listened to, an old picture, a funny video, OR even an old piece of news which might be NEW for some, and many other examples, simply because Iranian.com is the Iranian community HUB. And that is the reason we are here. Iranian.com is not a news agency, is not a magazine, is not Facebook or Twitter, Iranian.com is a HUB, and we should set our expectations from it by understanding this.

Please let’s keep that reason alive.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

Ruhany, I should say that I really truly enjoy your posted materials and I am a huge fan. You bring variety to this site and make this place colorful. But not everyone is offering a wide variety of subjects such as yours and for that reason alone I think we should limit the bloggers to post only 2 & 2. .... Otherwise this site will turn to a one side propaganda in no time !

My 2 cents !

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

So in a comment below @amirparvizforsecularmonarchy is suggesting 3.5 blogs per day (round it up or down). Thanks for the suggestion Amir.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Hello Ruhany! You make a compelling case for allowing more posts per day. I can feel your passion jump out of the screen!

To answer your first question, you are correct that for any one person to dominate the Home page of the upcoming new layout is moot. It won't happen. Blog Central however, is another story. Now that you have me thinking about it, I think that one of the problems is the algorithm and how new posts automatically push down older ones, even when the older ones are more popular.

Your passion for sharing content w/ the community is appreciated (certainly by me) and again, you raise interesting viewpoints regarding the topic of max posts per day. Let's continue discussing this.

Curious to hear what others think...

@Fred @SoosanKhanoom @Mehrban @Parham and others, any thoughts?

Parham

parham

And frankly (see, now you got me going!) the order of appearance of these messages is really confusing. My posts here appear upwards chronologically, whereas some of the other messages on the "thread" go downward. So how do I follow a conversation??

Parham

parham

And oh how I would have loved to have an "edit" button so I could take out one of those "somewhere"s at the end of the first paragraph in my previous message (below)!

Parham

parham

I do agree with Ruhany about the point made (and I enjoy his/her posts very much too) -- what I find odd is that, for example, I post something, a couple of hours later somebody else posts that same thing and his/hers goes to the front page and mine doesn't, even though the front page might be full of that person's posts already. I'm not sure how that selection gets done, but this has appeared a bit weird to me. I do understand this is not a popularity contest and I agree, but somewhere i feel like my endeavor has been overlooked somewhere.
Otherwise, I think there are days where there are more important links to post and days where there are almost none. So why deprive the readers/audience from the stories/links that should appear on top?
And then why is there a following system if one cannot post more than two links per day even on one's own blog? If you said not more than two would appear on the front page, I'd have understood your point, but on the blog neither?
I fail to get the logic there.
Even more: About moderation, what are the rules? Are there any? I think that should be cleared out. One of the things that made the previous iranian.com a pain was just that: A lack of common sense-based rules for the moderation of the fora, under the excuse that freedom of speech was being upheld, whereas we all knew that wasn't really the case, but some sort of pretense, I believe.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Hey Parham. Thanks for the feedback re: this.

Currently, content seldom gets discovered by going to the "Following" page. In time, when there are many more bloggers, I do think that this page will be more useful.

Any content that is not selected as a featured item, will go to Blog Central. In light of this, do you think that there should be a daily max for the # of posts that can appear on this page on a daily basis and if so, how many? Just to make sure that we are on the same page, when you mention "links", are you referring solely to News or New and Blogs?

Moderation: There will be a "commenting community standards" page that will be available soon for all to see.

As for your first question, this is largely due to the algorithm which is currently putting too much weight on newer content, and in the process quickly pushing down popular posts. Suffice it to say it needs work...

Parham

parham

Hi again Saïd, sorry for the late reply.
By "links" I mean what we post from elsewhere.
And I do not think there should be a maximum post limit as long as that algorithm you're talking about is changed. If there has to be one however, I believe two is too little.

SamSamVI

SamSam VI Path of Kiaan Ressurection of true Iran Hoisting Drafsheh Kaviaan

Dear Said, By now I think I have figured out your vision for your site. So far I reckon you are in order of priority a ;,citizen of the world, moderate Muslim with a hint of sharia, secular Middle Easterner, entrepreneurial businessman & an Iranian by the right of birth or passage. Now, before i render my final decree on you :)kindly provide me your answers for a few direct questions.


1-Is your site going to be a Middle Eastern site or an Iranian site?

2-If you were forced to pick one & only one image to represent Iran in your mind , what would that image be fe;,al shaikh Hafiz, a masjid, khomeini, shah, Ferdowsi, kebob, Rial, ghom, mashad, Persopolis...etc..?

3-Are you affiliated directly or indirectly within arm's range of any US based lobby groups?.

3-Do you believe , Morsi, erdogan, Nasrollah & khattami are elements of change & reform in middle east? & did you vote for Obama in the last 2 elections?.

4-Have you ever read a book about Iran's history or culture either pre-taazi or post-taazi?

4-Or are you just a clueless & carefree Joe which none of the above applies to you & just makin money off these blogging Nerds without a care about wtf they r talkin about?

&btw, Are you going to be transparent about who your moderators are & their sicio/cultural preference?.



& one more thing, I believe you & JJ have a lot in common in the sense that the Apple doesn,t fall too far from the tree. kabootar baa kabootar , baaz ba baaz or ghaaz or ghaza ;)


Cheers & kind regards pal!

Fred

Fred

@SaidAmin

How is the blogger notified that his/her blog has been received & waiting for moderators' review?
Some news items and blogs are breaking event related and go stale fast, how long is the expected review time?
Since people from different countries/ continents post material, is there a moderator on duty all the time?
As you might know, Jahanshah tried using moderators and unfortunately the moderator(s) started to be selective, erratic and preferential to the point that he had to go back to doing it all himself.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Good questions Fred ;)

- Notifications: An email will be sent once the blog has been reviewed and approved/rejected. Featured bogs will likely be updated 2 or 3 times a week (like the old IC). It really depends on the volume. Any approved blog that is not selected as a featured piece will go immediately to Blog Central.

- Review time: We'll see. I don't think that we'll have someone sitting by the computer 24/7 waiting to review comments etc. but if determined that more coverage is needed, then so be it.

- The blogging policies, once published, will make it clear as to what is and is not permitted. My expectation is that moderators solely base their editorial decisions on those policies and not any affiliations that they may have. That said, I suspect that being featured will require some well written, thoughtful & interesting pieces.

It's all fluid and we'll see how things go. I have no issues with making tweaks/changes along the way.

Binesh4

Binesh Breathing stale air depresses me.

Dear Saïd,

In my opinion, the limit of two is too few per 24 hours.

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Thanks Binesh. How many Blogs/News items do you suggest?

Binesh4

Binesh Breathing stale air depresses me.

For those who post important or timely daily news items, the number of posting should be increased at the discretion of the editor of the site.

kps59

kps59

I was going to ask how the archiving of past blogs and posts has been going a few days ago. In the meantime you put this post up and I don't need to ask now. I see that progress is being made behind the scenes.

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

Moderating comments is a step back. JJ went from wild wild west, meaning anything goes in your comments, to moderated comments, to registered only comments, but never implemented the comment control which we now have in both websites. so going to moderated commetes is going 3 steps back. It wastes times and discourages people from commenting when they have to wait for their comment to be posted. Unless you meant something else by moderating comments "before" being published.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

Esfand,

Most major and professional websites have moderation policy and it works perfectly... It only discourages trolls from commenting ! The regular commnetators as long as they are ollowing the comment policy should not be worried at all.

I think this is a great addition !

SaidAmin

Saïd Amin Saïd Amin is a tech entrepreneur born in Tehran, Iran. He is the Founder of World Singles Networks (ArabLounge, IranianPersonals, etc.), a leading provider of niche online dating services and the owner of Iranian.com.

Thanks for the feedback. Allowing members to self regulate the comments on their blogs, as we have been doing, leaves a disconnect between ones sensibility for what is and is not acceptable (case in point, Bruce), and the expectations that I have for a respectful discourse between bloggers and commenters.

Over time some members will be safe-listed and bypass the moderation queue.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

Esfand ,

I have seen many good contributors left this site because Trolls were allowed to comment and say what ever BS they wanted. That may not effect you and me who are not using our real names but people who come here to contribute with their real names need to be protected from the Trolls ...

Comments can wait ! Guess what we all have to deal with it !

If there is an emergence call 911 ... IC is not 911 !!!!

Furthermore, as Said mentioned there is a safe-list that is going to be implemented as well in which well behaved people regardless of their political views can go ahead and comment without any delay !

You have seen what happened in Bahmani's blog .... All those outrages comments could have been stopped before they get published... IC under JJ and his green light to almost every single Laat-O- Poot was turned to a big Chaaleh Meydoon. Enough is Enoughh ..

If you who exactly are aware of certain behaviors on this site do not understand this then who would ?

I repeat what I said yesterday, many major professional websites do have moderation system and that has contributed to their success.



EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

Darya you are confusing two issues, or at least I think you're confusing the two issues because I'm talking about two separate issues.

For blogs like @BB or his attitude in his blogs = he should be flogged by the new Editors! Pure and simple! The man (or individuals like him) should not be allowed to continue this behavior on their own blogs. I said the same thing in the old website asking JJ to still delete inappropriate comments in individuals' blogs as he is an Editor and within his right to do so.

Second users left the website because either they were attacked in their own blogs or in other people's blog. I strongly believe that people left the old website because of being attacked in their own blogs. JJ didn't give people the freedom to have freedom in their own homes! That was a major issue.

Now if people get attacked in other people's blogs then that is a different story. You don't want a fight don't go to other people's blogs or write your own blog about that person or subject. Or again in case of Bahmani they can be flogged!

Now as far as "professional websites" having moderation policy, not so! CNN, Washington Post and many other social websites do not "moderate" comments before being posted. They allow comments from all registered users and if someone abuses comments then they can be flagged and/or user blocked.

This is crazy that @SaidAmin is going to hire 2 moderators who have enough time to moderate ALL comments but not available to respond to far less flags?!

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

What you are suggesting is not acceptable. I think anyone should feel safe and not harassed while commenting on someone else's blogs. If my intention of being on this site was just to stay in my blog then why I even bother to come to IC...I have the blogger,com to do so !

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

What is not acceptable?! Again please answer my question to get your answer.

Said can hire 2 moderators who have enough time to moderate ALL comments but not available to respond to far less "flags"?! If you feel harrassed while commenting on other people's blog, what's stopping you to flag and what's stopping the moderators to delete and/or block the harrasser?

Again, this moderation policy is scorched earth policy. Punishing everyone else for the transgression of a few. Strong words I know, but this is going to be a major (negative) shift.

faraway

faraway

This remain to be seen. Moderation in an of itself can be beneficial. However, it depends who the moderators are and what kind of biases and prejudices they carry in their ideological baggage.

Who and what determines someone will be an "unbiased" moderator??

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

I see your points but my understanding is that there is going to be a forum policy and rules to follow and if anyone does not follow it when commneting then gets the boot.
I see no reasons that the moderator matters as long as his or her decisons is based on the rules and policies of this forum.

SoosanKhanoom

akaDarya With life as short as a half-taken breath, don't plant anything but love. - Rumi

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EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

See that's the problem. @SaidAmin may be trying too hard. We were almost there. When he published his last blog in the old website I thought the major change was going to be this comment control which would take care of last remaining problem on the old website. Plus some cosmetic changes.

The came this new design and all hell broke loose! Mind you we didn't and still don't have the problems of trolls saying BS to users or each other, we had the problem of "nothing is worthed"! No blog or contribution would last more than 24 hours. And what is it with ONE blog going way on top of everything else for no good reason??!

So bottom people fighting each other is not an issue anymore. Sure there are people still fighting but that's because they WANT TO. No longer can they go to your blog or my blog or someone else's blog and trash that blog and its author with impunity.

We're going in the wrong direction. Manufacturing problems now!

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RedWine

شمیرانزاده Researches (reporter & tv journalist) and presents information (Social,Art) in certain types of mass media and also working in diffrent european tv channels

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