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What do "Reformists" want?

Balatarin

What is the Reformist platform?  What is it that they want to bring about through peaceful means?  Have you ever heard of their platform?   The only thing I know is that they wanted Mousavi instead of AhmadiNejaad.

 

- Have they ever talked about abolition of forced hejab?

- Have they ever talked about election candidates from across the Iranian population including the religious minorities.

- Have they talked about exact changes they want to bring about in the legal system to ensure women's equal rights?

- Have they talked about compulsory education and how to fund it throughout the country?

- Have they talked about labor Laws?  specifically child labor laws?

- Have they talked about creating jobs for the over 30% unemployed?

-Have they talked about their programs as to how to curb rampant drug addictions?   

- Have they talked about the freedom of speech and expression and association and freedom of press, outside of the Islamists norms?

 

add to this list as you wish.....

 

What have these people said besides we do not want war!   Well, hell!   I don't want war either!   So what?!  

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Fred

Fred

You know, if the Islamist "reformists" had come clean about their own past and what they had done, I could reluctantly fool myself and believe they are going to change things. some changes to be announced later, something, anything.
But, not only they are not apologetic about their well documented crimes against humanity, like the 67 massacre of thousands of prisoners, they openly say they want to roll the clock back to the "golden era of the dear departed Imam" meaning the mass murderer Khomeini.
What is even more perplexing to me is those cappuccino drinking lovelies in the west who know about all this and still back these "reformers."


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

I see fred is unaware of islam and the behavior of true muslims that make up millions of devout followers in Iran. You see, when muslim men beat women, rape children or force women to wear a hejab, some of them ask for forgiveness, the kind that comes with out change.

Forgive me for beating you, but I want to do it again tomorrow.... Look forgive me for having sex with the 8 year old, but I want to do it again tomorrow.... forgive me for beating you to wear the hejab, but I want to do it again tomorrow. Now they want to have a reform version of forgive me because I have no intention of changing.

faraway

faraway

The reformers are powerless. They were effectively demolished 4 years ago. The only people who keep propping the reformers as an "alternative" are the pundits/lobbyist who work on behalf of both Iranian and Western oil mafia. In four month, after the June election, the reformers will be consigned to the dust bin of history for good.

G.Rahmanian

G. Rahmanian

This criminal, Soroush, is a shameless charlatan. He claims epistemology to be one of his expertise. Several years ago, in an interview he stated, one can alternate/change epistemological terminology arbitrarily.

Mehrban

Mehrban

GR, well you can, all you need is a fatwa.

G.Rahmanian

G. Rahmanian

Never trust a person who relies on "god" when doing evil, but forgets about the same god when it's time to do some good.

The "Reformists'" hero is Khomeini. And we all know what Khomeini did.

Roger_Rabbit

Roger_Rabbit Framed

We have "reformers" and we have "restorers". They are totally different from each other except in one regard: they are both CHARLATANS.

Put it simply, it is a bit like cooking a stew (Aash). Reformers propose to change the present Aash for something tasteful using the same ingredients but with a different chef.

Restores, on the other hand, promise to bring back that good old tasty Aash recipe of some thirty years ago by changing the ingredients to that recommended by the then popular, now deceased, celebrity chef, Imam Khomeini, but keeping the present head chef firmly in his kitchen.

The fact is that the nation is tired of the chefs, their recipes, their ingredients and even the kitchen.

They badly need some "traditional home cooking."

Mehrban

Mehrban

It is amazing! It really is amazing! They say thirty years ago we were fooled by Khomeini and thirty years later they with the same sheepish blindness follow the Reformists. What gives?!

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

No one is following reformists. In 1979 Iranians lost their freedom, because they acted irresponsibly with it. The well known cause of tyranny, is the irresponsible use of freedom. Tyranny can't occur in an India or a Nigeria, because the people of those democracies never had freedom in the first place.

This is a system imposed and maintained from the outside, it is not a self sustaining tyranny, outside forces must behave in certain ways and perform their politics to sustain the tyrants in power. War, acting like they oppose it etc. The question is can any country have freedom and a democratic system if the people and the country are not developed???? I support the late Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi with out reservation, he is my inspiration and in my opinion the true champion for Peace and Truth for Iranians. And not just because all the Iranians I know from the past say that the late shahs time were the best days of their families lives, but because I can appreciate his heart for justice.

Forget the reformists for one moment and look inwards to yourself, you say you support democracy, do you think you honestly could be understanding enough to realize why the late shah was not focussing on democracy back when he was in power or why all the institutions within Russia are moving towards democracy gradually despite have 10 times more educated people than Iran??????? Has it ever occurred to you to look at the problems of Iran through the eyes of a loving person who wishes to see Iran succeed and progress? Then why the talk of democracy today? No one is disputing that a democratic Iran is the ultimate goal for Iran, how can people even be taxed without true representation? One way or another, neither you nor I will see a democratic Iran, honestly speaking, maybe if you are a child being born today, yes, but otherwise how? Wishes do not make possibilities.

JahanshahRashidian3

Jahanshah Rashidian

The Islamic Green Movement declared from beginning its intention to go into the "golden time of Imam": it explicitly means to go from bad to worse.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

Reformers want to rob the country, corrupt the people, support the v.f., continue rape and tortures, but of non reformers, they want to show true islam. like khomeini. Relax hejab enforcement is reformation for con-artists, one can not forget how they came to power and who's blood they spilled to keep power by lengthening the war with Iraq after Saddam wanted a truce.

trawetsdor

trawetsdor

فیرسوف این جماعت عبدالکریم سروش که واسش استاد استاد میکنن برای دلبری از این طرفیها میگه ممکنه قرآن تصورات خود محمد بن عبدالله باشه. اینجوری براش لقب «لوتر اسلام» دست و پا کردند. انگار هراتفاقی که توی دنیای مسیحیت افتاد معادلش هم در جهان اسلام میفته تا این جماعت احساس شیکی بکنن و از خر شیطون بیان پایین. خیال میکنن تاریخ و فلسفه فیلمهای فخرالدینه که سناریو رو کپی کنن و جای هنرپیشه ترک فردین بزارن. آدم ابله ممکنه در حرف روبنا را عوض کنه ولی زیربنای فکریش همونیه که بوده. جناب سروش در کنفرانسی ادعا میکنه که برخی از موارد دعا شفا دهنده است وعلم را مؤاخذه میفرمایند که جوابی برای موارد شفا بدون دخالت علم پزشکی ندارد. آدمی که این همه حرف میزنه و چاپ میکنه لابد ادعا داره. ادعای ایشان در مورد ذکر شده اینه که اگر علم نتونست جوابی بده کردیت را باید داد به شفای الهی. زرنگی از نوع دولوکس.

علم وقتی شاهدی نداره دروغ سر هم نمیکنه. اگه یه دانشمند زر زیادی بزنه لاستعراض الأقران مچشو میگره. برای مخالف و متفاوت حکم ارتاد و فتوای قتل صادر نمیکنه. همین علم تحقیق کرد و نشان داد اگه بیمار «تصور کنه» براش دعا میکنن سریعتر شفا پیدا میکنه.

Mehrban

Mehrban

گر این لوتر اسلام برود اسلام را برای خودش و همفکرانش رفرم کند ما حرفی‌ نداریم. ولی‌ دست از سر سیاست ایران و جان مردمش برنمیدارد.

daneshjoo

daneshjoo چه آورده رژیمت، شیخ شیاد ++ بغیراز جهل و جور و فقر و بیداد؟

Thank you for the post. It is important to emphasize on what we want.
A secular progress oriented government.