December 3, 2003
* Joining our neighbors
I am amazed at why A. Shahmolki isagainst Iran joining the Arab league
as an observer. [It
would be a sad day]
His opposition to Iran joining the League as he puts it is that "Arab
league members enjoy tenuous legitimacy with their peoples." By that
logic, Iran should wholly give up on its membership in the UN or Non-Aligned
League or even OPEC. All these organization have members that are oppressive
and by many accounts illegitimate.
Shahmolki argues that Iranian identity is stained or clouded by
Iran joining the Arab league. That is as absurd as arguing that Mexico
lost its identity by joining NAFTA or Turkey is lost in the abyss of
anonymity by joining NATO. In fact, quite to the contrary, none of
these countries lost their identity, and in Iran joining Arab Lague,
thing that is threatened is our insecurity regarding Iranian image
and ?aberoo?. God forbid we may be mistaken for Arabs!
Our image in front of our acquaintences is not a great reason for forgoing
strategic alliances on a global level!
Even if Iran were ruled by a nationalistic as opposed to a theocratic
ruling group, the country should still be a part of the Arab league,
not only to observe and be in tune with its neighbors but also to keep
them close either as foes or friends. I cannot think of a more adolescent
stance by Iranian government than to sit back in a country that sits
on the edge of the Arab world - and has been exposed to Arab culture
for centuries - and not take part in its neighbors affairs.
* Simply good politics
What nonsense! [It
would be a sad day] Iran's joining the Arab League as an
observer has no effect on "Iranian identity" as you
It is simply good politics which can serve to
reduce tensions in the neighborhood. This may come as
shock to you but Iran is a MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY, and
the only other nations in the Mideast are ARAB,
regardless of whether their regimes are popular with
their people or not.
So get over your Aryan-ness aziz
and engage in some intelligent criticism instead of
this crap. (See reply below)
* Losing our voice
Dear Mr. John Mohammadi, (See above)
My criticism had nothing to do with 'Aryanness'. [It
would be a sad day] Iranian identity
has nothing to do with 'Aryanness' either mainly because as far as I
can tell such a thing does not exist.
The distinctness of Iran
is because of its different historical and cultural evolution. For
example, although Islam is part of Iran's identity, Iran is also the
only country in the region which is not a creation of western powers
and is itself a civilization.
The problem is not Iran cooperating
with its neighbors. The cause of concern is Iran losing its voice
in the world because of becoming enmeshed in the narrow concerns of a
bunch of dictatorships who have numerous problems that Iran would do
well to avoid.
The other concern is that Iran is not joining the
Arab League from a position of strength. Finally, no matter what,
the Arab states are not going to allow Iran to have that much influence
in what is their private club. Perhaps Iran should have tried to
join the Gulf Cooperation Council first. It would have made much
Just a last observation for you: Not all Middle Eastern countries
are Arab. Turkey and Israel are also non-Arab countries in the
Middle East. A little thought before a snap judgment may be advisable.
(See reply below)
* Disguised as patriotism
In reply to Shahmolki's comments above,
Iran's "identity" (whatever that is) isn't
by diplomatic membership in the Arab league and Iran
isn't being "enmeshed" anymore than by its membership
in OPEC or CENTO or ECO or the UN. People who have
ethnic/racial problems with "Arabs" shouldn't disguise
it as Iranian patriotism or caring about "identity".
As for your observation: Turkey isn't in the "Mideast" and
Israel is 3/5th Arab (and the term Arab means only someone who speaks
Arabic and can encompass a wide
variety of people and places - even the Jewish
residents of the Levant were once called Palestinians.)
* Human rights activist not political
Dear Miss Izadi, [Be
It seems to me, you live in Iran, I am encouraged and happy to see your
response to Ms. Kalbasi [Ayatollah
Ebadi?], please rest assured that there are hundreds
of scholars and university professors and many journalist and university
students of all faiths and beliefs are in agreement with
you. I know many of them, I talk to them and I hear and read their comments
in relation to Shirn Ebadi's wonderful achievement.
Ms. Izadi, you are not alone and we in this side of the world do
not all think like Ms. Kalbasi. She definitely is not representative of
majority of Iranians abroad, as you mentioned Shirin has been fighting
for human right for the last 23 years, we must not mix up a
human right activist job with a political activist, many of us abroad out
of frustration with inept oppositions and Islamic republic leaders are
taking it on Shirin Ebadi and expect her to do wonders as Nobel laureate
while we are enjoying the West with all its enmities.
With all due respect to Ms. Kalbasi's and her response to letters
she has received for her article"Ayatolah Ebadi"it shows her
ignorance about a human right activist role and a political activist,
this is a fine line that people like Mrs. Ebadi have to be careful not
to cross, Dr. Abdolkarim Lahiji, Mehrangiz Kar or Shahla Lahiji
may fit in this category as well.
While many of points may be valid, but she has confused the issues.
My recommendation to Ms. Kalbasi is to do some research or contact
Dr Lahiji and ask him to explain the rules of the International Human
Right Organization, conditions of membership and many more other details
to her. to response to another section of ms. Kalbasi's article
I believe strongly that Mrs. Ebadi have no desire to leave
Iran, she may be under a lot of pressure, but she is a human
with no "FEAR" her efforts got her another human right
prize important as well last year.
Reza Moini, PE
* VERY unfair
Ms. Kalbasi, [Open
While I respect your right to voice your opinion, and appreciate
your passions, in my opinion, you were VERY unfair to Shirin Ebadi.
She is a rare commodity: an accomplished authority on both Western
and Islamic jurisprudence, as well as a tireless activist.
you at all qualified to comment on her struggle, let alone criticize
it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far you are accomplished only in
the art of "I say what I want, as loud as I want, until I get
what I want- from a safe distance". There is no parity between
you and Ms. Ebadi.
There is a doctrine of Persian culture that applies to all matters
of leadership and social activism: raw (khaam) vs. mature (pokhteh).
is the difference between yours and Ms. Ebadi's approach. It wouldn't
hurt for you to tone it down a bit.
* Get off Ebadi's back
I find it amazing that someone like Ms. Kalbasi thinks because of her
few so called poems she
is a representative of Iranian women and the rest of us should follow
criticism]. She is desperately trying to get attention
(no doubt to sell her poems)so she resorts to attacking real Iranian
women who have real agendas in making a
difference in women's lives.
Check out the site and see how many times she has tried and copied
pages of history and sugar coated them to make us think "wow, there
is a woman who knows her stuff"!
Ms. Kalbasi, as an Iranian woman who works hard to make a difference
everyday on behalf of Iranian in general, I have no claim of being an
expert despite all the love and support I get from Iranians and non-Iranians
who encourage me. Why?
I consider it my duty to myself to be productive and empower other
women who are trying and making progress no matter how small in your
opinion. Get off Shirin Ebadi's back. I have no doubt you envy her because
she is famous and she did not even try to be.
You have tried unsuccessfully for years and nobody is buying your kind
of "intellectualism". There is a beautiful expression among
us that says" what comes from the heart, influences the heart".
You are trying too hard and Iranian are too intelligent not to recognize
the attempts of people like you who are unsuccessful and try to bash
those who are.
That is sad. Do not insult your own intelligence because we do not
need debate about Islam. That is a waste of our time. It seems like you
a have a lot of time for this kind of unproductive debates.
For your information I worked at "Sazemane Zanan" or Women
Organization when I was 14 years old (1969). I volunteered for the family
planning program to educate women. Do you think with a western approach
we would have been able to tell these young uneducated women that having
too many kids was not a good thing? I bet you would have not even considered
talking to them since they did not read poetry in English and could not
Get off your cloud and see the world of good Mrs. Ebadi would do for
women. The fact that she has become world recognized would now encourage
other Iranian women in Iran to go after their dreams no matter what the
Please find some other unsuccessful poets like yourself and have a
bashing session of others. But please do not waste precious space of
Iranian.com. Too many of us educated, dedicated, successful Iranian know
the value of a leader. Ebadi is one of them and I do not care who she
worships as long as she does a good job in helping others and does not
try to convince others to convert to her beliefs. That is what you are
You and another unsuccessful Iranian so called poetess want so desperately
to be recognized. A piece of advise from an older woman who gets recognized
(in writing) by Iranian and non-Iranian all the time, just do what you
like and truly believe would benefit others. The recognition will come.
If you continue the same approach you would lose the handful of people
who may actually think you know what you are talking about (I am not
one of them of course).
* Savage life style
It only takes a conscientious grandson of a Qajari Kelid-dar to open
a small window into the deprave and savage life style of the Qajar rulers
game at Ghamishlou]. The most chilling insight into their brutal
practices is in the passage:
"Up to the 1979 revolution, the area was the exclusive hunting
ground of Zell-e Sultan, Sarem-e Doleh and their Qajar clan. One story
a person from Tiran, a village nearby, was caught hunting in the area.
He was captured and brought to Ghamishlou where Zell-e Sultan had tied
him in the stable among the livestock to teach him a lesson for his intrusion."
we need to say more?
* Some people
will stay OMMOL
Apparently 25 years in exile and a learned lesson or two later have
not helped "elevate" the backward mode of perception of certain
of our fellow compatriots, such as Heresh Rezavandi [See his response "NO!"
to Nazanin Pahlavi's photos "Why
Alas, some people
will stay OMMOL, OGHDEHYEE and execrable till the day they die. Thank
God there are people who compensate for this archaic and boring mentality
among our fellow Iranians.
* Khaili zaeef
Regarding Nazanin Pahlavi's photos "Why
Motasefaneh khaili aks haye zaeefi bood.
letters (December 3, 2003)