LIGHT

I like it, David

What would this condition be called? A fowlocracy? Tyranny of the poultry? The pectorate?

The problem is the site administers want to be "good guys" and accomodate these chickens' "anonymity" based the claim that IRI may hurt them (mostly overdramatized fabrications). But they abuse Javid's good will and ruin the site in the process.

Let's face it. It's not just bad (fowl?) language. It's the quality and care of the comments, as well as the level of maturity. I hope the powers that be find a good solution soon because this site is losing quality writers.

"we" and the "Anonymous" regime

I just read these comments written to Rosie by an "anonymous "chicken: "Why do you think we care whether your lover was "Persian", "Azeri", "Jewish", "American"? Who cares? Who really cares? You are so bloody narcissistic! We are NOT impressed by you! "

and I thought:

I have seen some dictators in my life, but thanks to iranian.com these days there is a new form of dictatorship by few "anonymous" chickens who speak for "we" and also dictate what and how "we" should or should not say or write! 

I write the introductions

so that people can follow the poems better. I also use them as points of departure for ideas about Iran that are part of the general website discourse at the time. When my poems are simpler and self-explanatory, as with my last "article", "Three short ones," there is no explanation.  Having an introduction is a VERY good way of presenting poetry that is difficult to follow and the Internet provides a forum where that can be done.  It's actually an excellent way of making poetry both more accessible and more situated in other contexts for discussion, both personal and cultural.  When I say it's just a poem, I mean it shouldn't be held responsible for conveying an experience of ultimate Enlightenment, which it makes no claims to.  It doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to present it with an introduction that contextualizes it. .  The technology is new and it opens up opportunities for means of communication which break the traditional frozen boundaries. In my case that means combining the poetic with the personal and the cultural to achieve a totality of expression.  It's crucially important that my lover was Iranian because the synthesis at the end of the poem is about transcending the male/female duality and that duality is at the root of most of Iran's problems as a patriarchal culture, and also most of "civilization's" problems. But this is an Iranian website. That question of patriarchy is crucially important.

If I were Iranian you probably wouldn't even be asking me these questions.  You'd probablyj ust accept what I had to offer for what it is.

And anyway if I'm so narcissistic why are you telling me you like my photo? You shouldn't be feeding my naricssism.

To Rosie

If it's only a poem, why didn't you submit it like everybody else: in silence and with modesty. Why all that pompous prose that comes before it? Why do you think we care whether your lover was "Persian", "Azeri", "Jewish", "American"? Who cares? Who really cares? You are so bloody narcissistic! We are NOT impressed by you!

But I find this portrait painting of you absolutely breathtaking. What a beauty you are, Coochooloo :-)

//www.kentlew.com/carol/Rosie.html

This is a poem. It doesn't make any claims about Enlightenment..

it doesn't make any claims about anything. It's just an experience, an experience that some would say is inner, revealed to me in the course of an outer experience I had losing someone I loved. I sent it in here because of its Persian symbols. The steeples occur at the beginning of the journey so there's no reason why there should be any kind of transcendence of duality there.  There is a gradual progression toward reconcilation or transcendence of duality, which is symbolized by the motherfather at the end, but the journey itself does not go beyond a stage of profound suffering. That would not be a complete Enlightenment experience but still a very human one. I didn't coose the title "light" or the caption "joy" either.  "Joy" was something I mentioned in the introduction in my musings on Iranian religion, thinking particularly of Shism which normally doesn't transcend the stage of suffering either, and thinking that it should. But it normally doesn't.  Neither does this poem. I've been clear in the intro.The use of the translation of fanaa as death in the context of an abandonment speaks for itself. This isn't Attar's journey, it's mine.

There is, as I said, an approximation to the true fanaa (annihilation, extinction of all duality) at the end but as long as the locus of the poem remains in suffering, it cannot be said to be about ultimate Enlightenment.  Nor does it claim to, and I don't understand why people think it does, or it should.  It is what it is, an experience. A poem.

I also don't understand why some people would use this as an opportunity to tear the author to shreds. It's a poem. It came from a very deep and painful place. And the introduction has nothing but beautiful and favorable things to say about Iranian culture. I don't understand the venom but it's hurtful. So if that's your intention, you're successful.  Congratualation. I wouldn't want to be like that, though, happy about hurting other people, but that's your choice.

Thanks to those who gave me words of encouragement.

To: Anonymous Bazari-ye Bee Savaad

Great poem. Thank you, Sir.

Unfortunately, Sheik Rosie has no insight and cannot understand your poem. She learns everything by heart like a parrot and because she hasn't understood them, she mixes them together and makes a tasteless salad out of them, offering it to us to "impress" us. She is the most narcissistic woman I have ever seen. The "I" you're talking about, is her whole being!

To Nadia: Sibil interesting name...........

What makes you think that we needed you to TELL us what "Sibil" means? Don't you think it is condescending to *assume* that we don't know its meaning? Your people might not be colonizers, but YOU and your mistress (female master), Sheik Rosie, do have colonizers' attitude. Stop insulting us!

And for your information: the female prophet is written like this: Cybil. Ok? Now next time educate yourself before showing off. Readers are much more educated than you and Rosie combined. Get a job!

hahaha......so your

name is huge mustache. Well, what do you know? I thought it was a real name and that you were a woman. No offense of course.

I am no one's mouth piece. I only speak for me, myself and I. Besides Rosie T. is very capable of speaking for herself.

Nadia

To: Nadias

Now come on. As I said, you could pitch but not to be Rosi's mouth piece. No offense off course.
btw, Sibil means mustache in Persian. Its a nick name for a man with a huge one.

Your huts is keeping you from seeing the Higher View ..

Salaam Rosie T.,
.
You saw steeples and birds
having been brought up so high
on what on waking became apparent
the sign of the earth bound low to the ground
.
mother struck daddy too
morgh beh kenaar, 30 or two
Ayatollah Ahriman va song-girl
duality circus (but no clown)
.
but there is a one broken in 2
standing in the midst
up on the hill top
crying, its a grand view
.
Sufis say Love burns not-Eye
HU's way of making a point
bringing you gently up, saying
Look at 2! From Hands of the One only Barakaa!
.
Rosie T., Temporary
Recluse, on the loose,
break the mirror of your I
and learn to See with the Eye.
...
Backwards.
.

In principle, you're right...

but for one who brags about being an academic and also wanting to make a change, this pathetic expression of self neither testifies to the former nore is in any conceivable degree close to the latter...if it just feels good to write whatever and post, fine, no quarrel..., but if that's the case, then RT should get out of the saddle and learn some modesty when lecturing others with her peculiar jargon...

Sibil interesting name...........

in English and Greek it means female prophet.

Well, your posture in your avatar (icon)  is much better than mine.  No offense of course

I shall tell the photographer of your recommendations. :o)

PS: Wasn't the name Sibil used in some horror movie? I will need to ask around and get back to you on it.

Nadia

RoseRose:

I am actually so thankful for internet taking the exclusivities of the privileged afluent (academics included) and self satisfying egos of some of them ...to privide means to everyone (including those who belong to different "clubs") express themselves . Viva internet! 

To Rosie- Nadias you can pitch in too

Your posture in your image (icon) makes me confuse. What position are you in? Are you looking back or are you standing side ways looking back? It kind of reminds me of the gal in exorcist. No offense off course.

good imagery

spiritual emotions and human emotions overlap, both are needed.

What were you doing RT

When there was no internet? Where did you spill ink and reveal your inner gifts to readers? Oh well, what has become of academics.... Or are you one really?

The Seven Valleys

....
The Valley of Search
The Valley of Love
The Valley of Knowledge
The Valley of Unity
The Valley of Contentment
The Valley of Wonderment
The Valley of True Poverty and Absolute Nothingness

Lack of modesty in you

... is what transpires from your writing. A fruitful tree hangs lower! You are mistaking emotional issues with spiritual path. Only ignorant people appreciate the salad you offer them.

Nirvana?

I've never met anyone who had reached Nirvana. I guess some people are too arrogant to kill "Buddha" when they see him on the road. Poor Attar. If he knew!

Rosie

Such emotions such humanity..

hugs

Very well written as always.........

great depth, feeling and emotions expressed. 

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia