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Amir

You seem to be in the heat of argument. Just note that you begin with: Who said anything about "it's all Iranian fault"?

then you go a head and list the faults. As I said before,"Now granted that many things happened and it's all Iranian fault, but
for the sake of putting things in perspective, Iranian system change as
soon as that war started;"...

ranting from anger and frustration is understandable reaction. It's easy to get lost in all the negative news that you hear. The best I can say at this time is after you cool down, go step by step and look at events independently and then together to form a better understandings of the events and political agendas. Many of our issues has to do with Western policies to secure the energy routes. And our social growth and democratic movements can be a price for those policies. 

This is not a history class or political science, so I leave it at that.

Perhaps there would be no arguments here if all parties agree that Iran comes first and any form of attack is unacceptable. Otherwise, declare your position clearly and there should be no arguments.

Cheers

Evidently,...

Evidently, at least for some people around here, life is so dear or peace is so sweet, that it must be purchased at the price of chains and slavery.

Well, if you ask me, those miserable cowards have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men and women than themselves.

(To borrow from P. Henry and J. Mill.)

Amir

Speaking of being "blind to historical facts and realities"

Now granted that many things happened and it's all Iranian fault, but for the sake of putting things in perspective, Iranian system change as soon as that war started; meaning that what you got after wards, using many factors is a direct result of war->direct policy of US->changing Iranian revolution to authoritarian system. In a logical step by step process, one can argue that today's extremist system of Iran, is direct result of US policy->doing->to Iran, and not Iranians.   

Who said anything about "it's all Iranian fault"? What a bunch of baloney. We're talking about Khomeini and his goons, the ones that set Cinema Rex on fire in 1978 and killed over 400 Iranians before coming to power; the ones that started killing people the second they came to power in 1979 (remember the executions at the Refah School; stoning people to death as punishment; murdering of Bahais and people who were "fased"?); the ones that talked about "exporting the revolution" to Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, etc. All of this was the fault of Sheytan-e Bozorg and Sheytan-e Koochik. It's the Great Satan's fault that Khomeini and his gang got to implement their dream of Velayet-e Faqih. Khomeini and his murderous followers were innocent, poor things. If not for the Great Satan, the IRI would have become an open, democratic system. Oh yeah. This is the sort of garbage that "leftish" fools have been spouting for decades. Such individuals will blame everyone under the sun for the disaster known as the IRI, except of course, the founders and leaders of the IRI. What a bunch of horse manure. Cheers  .-)

Some Thoughts Concerning Patriotism:

Some Thoughts Concerning Patriotism:

"The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice -- and always has been."  - Mark Twain

"My country, right or wrong is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying My mother, drunk or sober."  - G. K. Chesterton

"Patriotism is a arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles."  - George Jean Nathan

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice." - Albert Einstein

Importan points that people forget/ignore history

There is no doubt that US with the support of Western regimes started a war with Iran through Iraq.

Now granted that many things happened and it's all Iranian fault, but for the sake of putting things in perspective, Iranian system change as soon as that war started; meaning that what you got after wards, using many factors is a direct result of war->direct policy of US->changing Iranian revolution to authoritarian system.

In a logical step by step process, one can argue that today's extremist system of Iran, is direct result of US policy->doing->to Iran, and not Iranians. 

Starting with 1953, ending (being generous here) with Iran-Iraq war. Our revolution was turned into a handicap infant that now grown to be this. It's a reality that goes unnoticed for those who want US support for their cause. Those individuals either have agendas or blind to historical facts and realities in regard to Iran.

Historical amnesia?

Do the West-residing IRI Groupies expect Iranians to forget all the anti-Iran, anti-nationalist words and deeds carried out by the IRI, its founder Khomeini, and his henchmen--who to this day are his loyally devoted followers in both factions of the IRI ("reformists" and "conservatives")?

It seems like

Some who live outside Iran have planned and are getting Iranians to unite around the mullahs ready for a big massacre !!!  Well - that is not going to happen - Iranians are smarter than to even get behind the mullahs - no matter how many sell-outs, vatan foroosh and adam forooshs post propaganda on sites like this.   I for one will forever hold responsible for any Iranian casulties - people like vatan doost and the rest of his cheerleading squad posing here as Iranians, faking patriotism.   Iranian patriots are those who work constantly to rid Iran of the Arab mullahs. 

onlyiran,

khomeini was not a dicatator in 1979, so he can't make people vote like saddam.

please read before speak.

Anonymous8- "Khomeini was not dictator"

Really?!!!!!  Wow!!!  Thanks for clarifying that...because I thought an unelected person who has absolute veto power over everything and can orders thousands executed without a trial (or even after a "trial" even if the "trial' is an IRI "trial") as he personally did in 1988 is a dictator...but I guess I was wrong....

anonymous8

• Iranians do not like being raped
• Do not like being stoned
• Or being whipped
• Or shot
• Or lied to by the likes of you. West residing IRI groupie. 

veiled prophet

U make a lot of baseless assumptions with no knowlege. thats why your ideas about iran are invalid and bankrupt. you cant see truth. have to accuse people "marxist" you must have personal oghde about. i tol you, i'm not lefty or marxist. if all you can do is make accustion, there is no discuss with you.

Marxist Radicals

onlyiran, dont' be a liar

nobody dispute the vote in iran in revolution. saddam has 99% but only 10% come to vote, in iran is 90%. please stop the stupid comparison. khomeini was not dictator and had no power to make anyone fote. majority of iran supported revolution, you can't change this. no matter how much you wish.

im not in america, im not lefty

your logic is good only for moftkhor monarchist. you have nothin to say only question where someone live?

millions of israli now live in us and support israel even more! why is this important?

1000s of iranian left iran and live and study in europe and us before the revolution. millions of afghans and iraq refugees are in iran now. 70 million iranian people vote with feet to stay! some people come out to study and then go back. you don't know nothing about people just make stupid accusation. my family is fine in yazd and miss me.

shah was a dirty mozdoor puppet of the uncle sam. ruthless torture and savak. iran didn't start the war with iraq. and it was 8 not 10 years.  you need  go back to school and stop reading moftkhor articles for ur information. uncle sam support saddam was punishing iran for taking oil away.

Anonymous8 - "95% of Iran who chose khomeini over the shah"

yes...and if I recall correctly, the results of the last "elections" in Iraq under Saddam was that 99% of Iraqis "chose" him as president of Iraq.  Funny how "elections" work in petty dictatorships.  They always result in people "choosing" the dictator by over 90% of the vote...like magic. :-)

Anonymous8

sorry, a thief is a thief and a looter is a looter,

nobody wants looters back. even if they have looter now.  

Shah was not better for me and my family. for 95% of Iran who chose khomeini over the shah. and majority who still support islamic republic now.

it was only better for the corrupt monarchists who stole the wealth and went to live in us and england.

Anonymous8

The Monarchists did a lot more for Iran. Yes there was corruption. But compared to both Islamis and Marxists the Shahi were a paragon of virtue.

Put aside your bias. Honest analysis will prove that the Pahlavi era was vastly better than this IRI. Not to mention better than anything the "social justic" Marxist gang would have done.

Dr X

You are right. This regime will always find a threat real or imaginary. Probably why they are sticking their nose in Israel all the time. By their logic there will always be some reason to rally around them. Until they miscalculate like Saddam did. Then they get blown away.  The problem is a lot of innocent people go with them. The innocent people is many of us oppose an attack.

The IRI is sort of like "Alien" face hugger in the movie. It wraps around Iran's neck and threaten to kill the nations. Specially if someone tries to remove it. There is no way I would support the "Alien" aka Khamenei / AN and the rest.

My worry is that *they* are killing Iran faster than USA or Israel. Their actions a putting us in more jeopardy than anyone. Their cynical use of pre Islamic names is sickening.

Sorry fake Persians! We do not buy the "Patriotism".

iran WILL come together

as it always has been history. real iranians care too much to bicker about. saltanat talab moftkhors who stole everything will never understand. they already run once, they will be chicken out again.

The autor states "Let us

The autor states "Let us all be vigilant and unified in the support of Iran and its current Regime until the threats are nullified".....The problem with that statement is that as long as this regime is in power it has and always will find a boogeyman in order to legitimize its own existence, while it tortures, rapes, and murders its own citizens. This is much the same way that the Bush administration used the Osama threat and Saddam's WMD as propaganda to carry out the Neocons plan of invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Make no mistake about it as long the IRI regime is in power, they will use the "threat" from Israel, Britain, and the US to legitimize their own existence while they squander Iran's resources, and run the economy into the ground because of an incompetent military mafia network calling the shots . I do not support any kind of pre emptive military attack on Iran, but I will also not support a criminal government that is guilty of crimes against humanity against my fellow Iranians.

I agree with Dariush A

In case of any attacks, there will be no other alternative but to rally around this government for the greater cause.

I agree 110% with Dariush A. We need to rally around the IRI regime whether or not there is any attack. It is the only government in the world led by the representative of the Twelfth Emam pending his return from occultation ("ghaybat"), and it has helped make Iran one of the leading economic, military, manufacturing, and industrial giants on the world stage--far exceeding in its standard of living, citizens' wellbeing, freedoms, spirituality, respect for human rights and dignity the decaying and unjust societies of Sheytan-e Bozorg and Sheytan-e Koochik. Salavat befresid.

The anti-Iran cheerleaders

The anti-Iran cheerleaders on this site are too funny. They simply can't comprehend that not everyone here is a humiliated, stateless exile, living out life as a miserable wrench in an adopted land.

So you were socially demoted after you cut and ran from the country. That's no reason to take it out on the people living in Iran that will rally against foreign attack.

And what's it to you anyway? You've cut and run. You don't vote. You don't count! You are insignificant. Worse, you are hopelessly anti-Iran. Remember, there is only one Iran in this world. No measure of exile fantasizing changes that fact.

In case of any attacks,

In case of any attacks, there will be no other alternative but to rally around this government for the greater cause.  

Only Iran

Yet the same fascists here on this site, and in Iran, who try to silence all opposition to the IR by labeling them anti-Iranian, foreign agents, etc.  were, and still are, pointing their fingers at Bush and were, and are, calling him a warmonger and a traitor to the American people.  See the hypocrisy? 

"Anti-Iran" coming from the mouths of the West-residing IRI Groupies is the equivalent of "Mohareb" coming from their scumbag brethren in the IRI. Too bad for them that we have freedom of speech in the U.S.  :-(

Excellent comments by Amir, VPK, only Iran and Fred.

You summed it up guys. The only questions I have for these  islamist regime mozdoors who somehow try to link Iran to their masters, the khalife khamenei and his vazir ahmadinezhad is, why is it that you have to comment under false ID's? What are you ashamed and frightened of? Your beloved islamsit regime is in power and if you get deported out of your hiding holes in LA or london you can always run away to Tehran, or south lebanon wherever your "vatan" is!

Again, I love these blogs, the way they unite all of us Iranains with different political beliefs against the biggest enemy of Iran ever, the islamist fascit regime, so keep blogging islamist mozdoors!. 

VPK & Parsagarda

VPK, well said here: 

You are the biggest anti Iranian bunch. You promote rape and murder. Then have the nerve to accuse others!

Of course, it's called "trying to get the upper hand early on."  It's a nice trick by people whose only allegiance is not to Iran, but to a decript and wretched regime that is breathing its last miserable breath.  

The whole notion of supporting a government--let alone a dictatorship--just because it conjures up "threats" is ludicrous.   By that rationale, everyone should have supported George W. Bush in his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Yet the same fascists here on this site, and in Iran, who try to silence all opposition to the IR by labeling them anti-Iranian, foreign agents, etc.  were, and still are, pointing their fingers at Bush and were, and are, calling him a warmonger and a traitor to the American people.  See the hypocrisy? The only silver lining to this whole thing is that it seems as if the IR cannot come up with an original strategy.  Its supporters are using the centuries old fascist (and rather transparent) tactic of calling all opponents agents of something or another.  It just shows their desperation.  

Parsagarda:

I agree with you here:

 How these Amerisraeli freedom loving, democracy pushing, forever self-righteous hypocrites go to the wall or the church every Sunday and talk about turning the other cheek, beats me!

I don't think that they are even talking about "turning the other cheek" anymore.  They are openly talking about "killing them in the name of Jesus" as Jerry Falwell would say.  Here, watch this video:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/john-hagees-hate-fest-nuke-iran

Skilled and capable expats

Skilled and capable expats should do whatever they can to help Iran build and deploy its nuclear weapon in the shortest time possible.

The author of this piece does not help his own cause by urging Iranians living abroad to engage in activities which may very well violate the laws of their resident countries. Individuals have been prosecuted for such illegal actions, and it is irresponsible to use Iranian.com as a venue for advocating them. 

A number of different

A number of different individuals on this website have recently linked multiple times to an article which reads in part: 

So long as Israel is the only nuclear armed power in the Middle East, it can do whatever it likes whenever it likes. When it decides to attack Lebanon or Syria, no other power is in any serious position to object. When it blockades Gaza, year after year, no one can tell Israel to stop. When it attacks a relief ship in international waters, no one can do anything to make it cease and desist. Should it up and annex the West Bank without providing its people any democratic rights, the world would stand helpless knowing that the United States Congress, in hock to the lobby, would back Israel 100%.

A nuclear Iran changes the equation, not because Iran would use its bomb but because Israel suddenly will have to take into account that the Arabs have a powerful ally, a very powerful ally. An ally that could not simply be ignored."

Is it fair to ask which "vatan's" cause any such future nuclear weapon in the hands of the IRI would be designed to serve? Or are Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, the West Bank, and "the Arabs" more generally part of the same "vatan" as Iran and their purported interests the same as those of Iran, namely confrontation with Israel and its eventual replacement with the 23rd Arab-majority state?