AFSHIN

Thank you RG. Paykar:

Thank you RG.

Paykar: that was funny.

Looks like both Trita and Mr. Dai are driven by the wrong reason to be of any good to get rid of the mullahs. They have become enablers of the IRI both in their own indirect ways...sad, indeed.

so this is Trita Parsi?

All Dai's talk about Trita Parsi made me curious and I googled him. The guy seems to be a class act! I dont agree with all he says, but he kinda makes me proud to be half-Iranian!

Check out his interviews:

//blip.tv/file/2528117?utm_source=player_embe...

Internet Response Team

من هم با بابک و تریتا و نایاک قهر که من را عضو این گروه نکردند تا هم تجربه ای در "ارتش سایبری" به رزومه خود اضافه کنم، هم شاید از محل پولهای نفت دلاری نصیب ما شود. ممنون از آقای داعی، عضو ارتش آزادیبخش، به دو زبان انگلیسی و فارسی

Paykar

LOL ......

thanks Roozbeh for keeping it real

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Soosan Khanoom.

I think we have approached Maury Povitch's territory. When all said and done there will be hard landing on Jerry Springer show; where we find out JJ is the illegitimate brother of Parsi, but  the shocking revelation is that he is conceived by Dai's father.

I think this should end the life of the thread, or maybe my membership:)

By the way

I did not write " Soap Opera " because there is nothing romantic going on here !!  

 " Soup Oprah "is more applicable 

What a Soup Oprah this

What a Soup Oprah this thread has turned to .....

Hey admin ... can we have three strikes and you are out policy here ?  

: )

while you were indulging in your cyber fight and name calling...

موج گسترده اعدام ها خوزستان

مقامات دستگاه قضایی رژیم در استان خوزستان از موج گسترده اعدام ها در این استان در روزهای گذشته خبر دادند.

بنا به گفته روابط عمومی دستگاه قضایی رژیم در استان خوزستان، روزهای پنجشنبه 15 و جمعه 16 اردیبهشت ماه دستکم 9 زندانی در زندان کارون شهر اهواز و در سه راه حمیدیه این شهر در ملاءعام اعدام شدند.

شنبه   17  اردیبهشت  ماه   1390 _  7  مه 2011

//www.payam.nu/2011/May-F/90-02-1716.htm

Rostam,

You said "that before the fraudulent election; I was jumping up and down inciting people to go out to vote". I told you that at that time I wasn't even registered and couldn't incite anybody to do anything!

Now, you say "It is not the first time that you have resorted to ridiculing others when you are loosing an argument. " When was it the last time, Haji? Give a pointer, I don't remember to have talked to you before.

No need for some people to believe in Jinn and paries to be more ridicule than that!

Dear Paykar

Agreed, that is part of being human and as such creatures, we are fallible

However, I also think it is note worthy to look at the pattern, frequency and the context of each occasion when each of us try to reach and employee those emotions quickly or try to use logic and rational.

I did observe your exchange with Ari on this thread earlier and rather impressed how both was able to return to cool and calm rather turn up the heat, but unfortunately this happens less often then I like to see.

What I think it is sad, is what Ari and a few others have said… why is it that we are spending so much energy on this when there is a common "enemy" or better yet a common goal (i.e. democracy and freedom in Iran) for us.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad Jan

I have been called Zionist agent; this will be another badge of honor :-) I just want to know where my pay check is?

رستم: آنچه این است، چه حاجت به بین است

Your comment about Ari is here and so is mine. People can make their judgment as the accuracy of my comment and the accuracy of your notion of Ari or whether I am spreading lies or not.

In fact, for those of us who frequent this site more often, we do have a good idea about each person's position, general character, logic and rational, hence the shock of hearing such accusation about MM, Vildemose and Ari, or JJ to say the least.

VPK jaan, brace yourself. You maybe one more comment away from being called a paid IRI agent, a liar or both.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad Jaan

It's a human characteristic to organize information in general and quickly accessible patterns. Given this fact, our brains, in this case, divide the commentators to two quickly identifiable groups; it actually sacrifices a quantifiable amount of accuracy in favor of expediency.
We observe this tendency, even from those who sincerely advise us to be aware of gray areas; yet they fail to see not all arguments are entirely black and white.

We all have loyalties to other members, this also colors the way we evaluate and make judgments, e.g., the people you named as recipients of unfair labels, some have actually been very insulting to others on the "opposite" side.

Moral of the story: We should take our time to examine our own biases and affiliations. Being humans, emotions tend to take the lead initially ( faster brain circuits). Lets pause a little to let the logically ( does not guarantee correctness) driven responses suppress our "primitive" areas of the brain.

Now for small things that we have in common:

As usual viewer dicretion is advised!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFNTUgznSw

MK Jaan

I agree that NIAC is not going to help overthrow IR. That is why I have been advocating a new organization. NIAC does not even claim to be trying to overthrow IR. It wants to normalize realtions.

However just beings opposed to NIAC does not make one good. For example MKO is opposed to IR but no good. The problem we have is lack of a resonable voice.

We need one that has impeccable record and is opposed to IR. Why do we not have one? Why is it that all Iran "experts" on TV are not reputable. 

Anahid jaan

Anahid jaan,

I asked you because you had 2 posts on the very specific issue of insults this morning. 

Best wishes,

Masoud

Rostam

You are welcome to think whatever you want of me. I am a nationalist and deeply opposed to the IR. I am not a NIAC defender either. I just want fact not insults.

This thread has become filled with hate and insults. People calling each other terrorist; IR agent and so on. Look: NIAC has done some good things and some bad things. I have often criticized Reza Aslan. I have also criticized IR on many occasions. What is bad is that no one is offering alternatives. Just complaints and no solutions. I said: why not form another organization. Reply: because it is too much work. It is a lot simpler to just complain.

No power is stopping us from making anti IR organization. I would join.

The one group I will always oppose is MKO. That is not any alternative.

If you do not like NIAC then do something! Mr. Dai has done nothing and is allied with MKO. I do not support that and am very proud of my stance.

VPK

What a disappointment you turned out to be.

VPK jaan

VPK jaan,

You are an honest person. I disagree with much of what you write. Despite your views, you are pretty honest.

1. Which blog by MM are you referring to? In one blog/post he is asking questions about Dai. I do NOT know about why Dai said such or such to this or that person. In another blog, he says that he is a member of NIAC and mentions things that NIAC has done. I have ALREADY clearly stated my view of NIAC. Let me repeat it for you. The following are my opinions of NIAC already written in this blog.

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The following is my OPINION. My opinion may be right or wrong, but it is my opinion. In my opinion, the "good" stuff NIAC does is to fool the naive people. In my OPINION, the primary goal of NIAC is to help the fundamentalist regime. Many criticized NIAC as being IRI lobby; in my OPINION, NIAC uses human rights issues to undermine their image as a lobby for the regime. This is my OPINION. That is why I do not trust NIAC.

There is also the possibility that NIAC was created to get rid of the sanctions, so that those involved could make deals and make millions of dollars. If this explanation is true then the "good" stuff is to fool the naive people, so that the leadership could make money after they remove the sanctions.

There is another explanation that NIAC was close to Rafsanjani. So the change of policies after June 2009 election is due to the hard-liners actions against Rafsanjani. I have no idea whether or not this explanation is accurate. I like to see evidence and argument on this. If this is your opinion, please elaborate. I would be interested on reading more on this.

On NIAC. My argument is that if we want to overthrow the Nezam Velayat Faqih (the fundamentalist terrorist regime), one may join a number of opposition groups. NIAC policies do NOT help in the struggle to overthrow the terrorist regime. Moreover, the policies advocated and lobbied by NIAC help the terrorist regime prolong its rule.

If my argument is wrong, then you NEED to make logical arguments that NIAC policies help the struggle to overthrow the Nezam Velayat Faqih.

Either my argument is correct or it is wrong. Calling me Rayban Kazemzadeh does NOT add to our knowledge. Please make a logical argument that NIAC is involved in policies that cause the overthrow of the velayat faqih regime Iran.

For example, make the argument that removing sanctions and giving billions and billions of dollars to the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei will cause the overthrow the Nezam Velayat Faqih. In other words, tell us that giving an additional 40 BILLION dollars a year to Khamenei is bad for Khamenei and good for the opposition to the Velayat Faqih. Please make the argument that Nelson Mandela who advocated sanction on the aparthied regime was a traitor and a MORON and should be condemned

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　1. It is NOT germane what specific NIAC does that is "good." Let me use an analogy. The Basij provides a lot of "good" things for poor boys. The question is do we support the Basij or oppose it. Now if a member of Basij comes to this forum and enumerate the good things that Basij does such as providing food and subsidies to poor boys is immaterial.

2. If I remember correctly YOU, yourself have written at Iranian.com that (1) many supporters of IRI are members of NIAC; (2) one should join NIAC because there are understanding between NIAC and IRI so one can go to Iran; (3) that Trita Parsi is probably ______ with IRI ( I do not recall the exact word you used but it was something along the lines of support or realtionship).

2.1. If you are right that many supporters of IRI are members of NIAC, the question is are these IRI supporters morons or do they become members of NIAC because what NIAC does helps IRI.

2.2. Do you think that it is moral or immoral to join NIAC in order to go to Iran although NIAC is engaged in policies that prolongs the rule of IRI?

2.3. There is evidence that Trita Parsi has a secret friendly relationship with officials of IRI (e.g., Soltanieh).

In conclusion, my friend, it is NOT germane what specific thing NIAC does that is good as it is NOT germane what specific thing Basij does that is good. The question is do we want to prolong the rule of Nezam Velyat Faqih or do we want to overthrow it (and in my case establish democracy, freedom, human rights, secular democratic republic). Does policies promoted by NIAC help the struggle against the Nezam Velayat Faqih or does the policies promoted by NIAC help Nezam VF?

Again, I regard you as an honest and good person. I hope you change and stop supporting NIAC.

Best regards,

Masoud

Bavafa, please refrain from using lies

I did not compare Ari to IRI thugs. I only said that his methods remind me of IRI thugs. I have said that to some monarchists too, that does not make those monarchists IRI thugs either.

In general, I am noting that NIAC's "internet response team", when loosing an argument, resort to lies, slanders and ridiculing others.

To me that speaks volumes about NIAC itself.

mardom mazloom

I am not a Haji and I don't believe in jen o pari either. It is not the first time that you have resorted to ridiculing others when you are loosing an argument. 

It is irrlevant when you registered in this site. Resorting to turning stones does not help you. It remains that you were pro-voting. It remains that the opponents of voting were right all along, that elections in Iran are fake. It also remains that many people needlessly died in order for the likes of you to finally "get" it.

It also remains that you do not have any answers to any of the above. Resorting to ridiculing, although an effective method, it won't help.

جناب مجید زهرایی‌

حرفِ حساب شما کلی‌ چسبید. براستی که گوشمان از این حرف‌ها پر شده و با
این رفتار‌های خجالت آور خستمون کردن. افسردگی از این است که چرا غیبت
گویی و دو بهم زنی‌ هنوز در صحنه سیاسی ایران بازاری دارد. شاید همانطور که
خرافات گویی آخوند‌ها هنوز در برخی‌ مؤثر است، این معرکه گیری‌های دوران
قبل از تکامل مناظره مدرن هنوز گوش شنوا دارد. شاید استقبال از این
رفتار‌های مخّرب نوعی خرافات پذیریست.

Dear Mr. Kazemzadeh, I have not been on this thread for a while

I just saw your comment addressed to me. I would have to read the comments to see if what you say is correct or not. But Dear Masoud, why ask me, if that is the case, others can see too.

MK

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BOOO!

A Question for Anahid

Dear Anahid,

Would you agree that it is NIACis (e.g., MM) who are making personal attacks, insults, and slanderous attacks on the pro-democracy activists like me?

I oppose their lies and insults to be deleted.  I oppose these posters to be banned. I think it is wonderful for our readers to see how NIACis behave and how Democrats behave.  I have asked JJ to leave all the personal attacks and insults that anyone makes against me to be here for all to see.  I have been attacked by IRI supporters and NIACis on many occasions.  I think this wonderful forum is a great place for people to observe the bahavior of various groups.

Best,

MK

More Insults from MM

MK:

In my opinion, you are NIAC's Shabon Bi-Mokh, who uses personal attacks and insults instead of logical arguments and evidence

MM: YOU also have not accomplished anything but mainly hate speeches! How are things in a small Texas-town?

MK: I rest my case.

MM on his LIES, Slanders, and Personal Attacks

MM,

In my opinion, you are NIAC's Shabon Bi-Mokh, who uses personal attacks and insults instead of logical arguments and evidence.  I have the following 4 question to show your nature.   

1. Are your personal attacks (about my education and dissertation) on me libelous or slanderous? In other words, you knew what you wrote was not true, but you wrote a false attack to undermine and hurt me.

2. Does the letter by Trita Parsi show that making money was a possible motive for the creation of a lobby to get rid of the sanctions?

3. Were you aware of the above letter?  Please either "yes" or "no"? 

4. Your insult to me as "failed professor" is obviously a lie and slander.  I am a tenured associate professor is a ranked university.  Are you willing to publically admit that you LIED and slandered me?  Yes or no.

MK 

MK - U missed my NIAC blog - maybe you can answer for HD!

You were fully missed and your comments were non-existant when I presented referenced accomplishments of NIAC!

Sorry… mind if I mop while you mope?

Instead, you call HD wonderful?  Again, maybe you can answer for HD!

- What did Timmerman mean by asking HD's "friends with information" to come forward (*)?

- Why did HD write that the path towards the destruction of Obama and Clinton started with the destruction of T. Parsi (*)?

(*) for details, see my last posts 

PS, YOU also have not accomplished anything but mainly hate speeches!  How are things in a small Texas-town?

I the "MKO, IRI, Jew, zionist, revolutionary communist cultist"

 Dont understand why I need the unelected, self appointed  organisation (can i say "cult"? is it allowed?) niac or whatever to represent "my interest", and  speak on my behalf to US government? To teach them how to "build bridges" with the islamist regime who is busy murdering raping and torturing my countrymen and women on a daily basis? I mean I can talk to my senator and congressman directly if I want to, thanks to the fact I live in a democracy and the "bridge project" between Islamist regime and USA government is in a serious shape. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."